List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

[King Corey]

Edit: will update if ppl happy for this to sticky

Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.

• Mac Andrew
• Hunter Clark
• Zac Fisher
• Sam Flanders
• Mitch Georgiades
• Liam Henry
• Dougal Howard
• Lewis Melican
• Jack Silvagni
• Dylan Stephens
• Adam Tomlinson

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Syd list boss Kinnear Beatson confirmed they're tracking Ben Mckay and have an interest in him

Also, they have a contract that has sat in front of Stephens for most of the year. If he hasn’t signed it by now, he’s gone.

 

[King Corey]

Sorry, MLF. Post #8399 in the Ben McKay thread.

Not gonna lie. Read that as MILF.

 

[My Left Foote]

Sorry, MLF. Post #8399 in the Ben McKay thread.

All good, makes perfect sense now
I thought it might have been some internet joke that I was oblivious too so I Googled 'see post #8399' and got this as the top result: Meaning of 8399 Angel Number - Seeing 8399 - What does the number mean?
And that really threw me

 

[The Filth Wizard]

There are many ways we could * this up

He’s restricted just means we can match a trade that doesn’t guarantee us band 1. If it gets to trade stage we are never getting offered more than that compo

The way to fullproof it is to offer just under band 1 money as I’ve mentioned

Sure, so let's hear about them ad nauseum.

Here's how you don't foolproof it... you offer band one money to a player you already have and they say no it doesn't make the other team offer band one money, it just gives them full run to walk over the club if it is matched. There is no need to give up an inch. Our official status is we will match a contract that doesn't net us band one compensation. If the Bombers or anyone else wants to test that then they run the risk. The only way this is even a concern is if Parish leaves but the Bombers should be prepared there to not have Parish and McKay on their list in 2024. They're gonna posture too.

So all considered, two things will play - the Bombers know they have benefited from this in the past and can structure to suit and ensure they don't have to waste a whole trade period negotiating for a guy they could have signed for free. The other thing that will play is they will receive a discount in some regard because age is a crucial factor in free agency compensation and in fact is one of only two factors. We have that on our side probably more than anyone previously due to Ben's underage status.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Sure, so let's hear about them ad nauseum.

Here's how you don't foolproof it... you offer band one money to a player you already have and they say no it doesn't make the other team offer band one money, it just gives them full run to walk over the club if it is matched. There is no need to give up an inch. Our official status is we will match a contract that doesn't net us band one compensation. If the Bombers or anyone else wants to test that then they run the risk. The only way this is even a concern is if Parish leaves but the Bombers should be prepared there to not have Parish and McKay on their list in 2024. They're gonna posture too.

So all considered, two things will play - the Bombers know they have benefited from this in the past and can structure to suit and ensure they don't have to waste a whole trade period negotiating for a guy they could have signed for free. The other thing that will play is they will receive a discount in some regard because age is a crucial factor in free agency compensation and in fact is one of only two factors. We have that on our side probably more than anyone previously due to Ben's underage status.

If the other team offered less than us then you’d expect ben to stay which is a good outcome

It doesn’t give the other club any way to ‘walk over the club’

The only options need to be Ben stays or we get band 1 compo

Everyone loses including us if it gets to a trade match stage where we won’t get the equivalent of band 1

Jesus Christ it’s hard being smarter than most on this board

 

[The Filth Wizard]

If the other team offered less than us then you’d expect ben to stay

It doesn’t give the other club any way to ‘walk over the club’

As we've seen many times there are reasons to play for teams that do not involve money. I know that sounds sickening when comparing it to the Bombers but he may just not want to walk through our doors again. Even if so, with the whip hand, we let the market dictate to us the value, not vice versa.

 

[lockheed]

Hearing we are EXTREMELY interested in Georgiades

But is he mercenary enough to be interested in us?

 

[Sillygit]

We're not gonna lose him for less than band one, the club has said it. It's our right to play hardball, he is restricted. It's gonna be a long couple of months if everybody panics every time somebody said something. Honestly. A poster said with some form of ITK status yesterday that he'd told the club he was leaving, everyone panics. Today an article comes out saying we haven't even spoken to him about a contract, everyone panics. This constant f***ing expectation that the worst thing possible is going to happen to the NMFC is extremely tiresome.

it's every f*cking thread too, no where is safe

 

[big_e]

Please stop using these footywire comparisons. It's a puddle deep way to compare players and their value.

Former top five pick who hasn't got a great opportunity at Sydney due to their outside mid depth. Worth a crack every day of the week. Especially if it's for a second rounder at most.

It's pretty shallow using someone's draft spot to justify them, too, FWIW.

The stats at least show that his disposal efficiency is well below the league average. We already struggle with that last kick into F50, so bringing in someone with below-average disposal doesn't help us at all.

Getting a high pick cheaply is fool's gold. Have you wondered why they haven't locked him away yet? Have you wondered why it was him and not somebody else that was sent back to the VFL?

 

[Ichiro #51]

If the other team offered less than us then you’d expect ben to stay which is a good outcome

It doesn’t give the other club any way to ‘walk over the club’

The only options need to be Ben stays or we get band 1 compo

Everyone loses including us if it gets to a trade match stage where we won’t get the equivalent of band 1

Jesus Christ it’s hard being smarter than most on this board

Ben staying for 150k p.a over market value is not a good outcome. That is the sort of dumb-assery that has got us into this mess in the first place.

It always surprises me how much confidence a total imbecile can talk themselves into having.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Ben staying for 150k p.a over market value is not a good outcome. That is the sort of dumb-assery that has got us into this mess in the first place.

It always surprises me how much confidence a total imbecile can talk themselves into having.

id rather that then lose him for less than band 1 compo, hes worth around 700k imo

which is what happens in a trade match scenario

 

[Tiberius]

I take your point, but it's just a joke and it only works if he walks to the PSD.

I hate jokes that aren't backed up by copious amounts of research and fact checking. It's the reason my chickens all got run over.

 

[kool kangas]

If North want to get a band 1 compensation pick then they need to offer Ben whatever the minimum is that will get it. Then Ben will needs to decide whether to accept it and stay at the club or get another club invoved. If North offer less a less amount to what will get them band 1 then there is no doubt Ben will take whatever offer is there from another club...For my take l still think Ben will stay...

 

[kool kangas]

id rather that then lose him for less than band 1 compo, hes worth around 700k imo

which is what happens in a trade match scenario

Will that tip a band #1 pick?

 

[Tiberius]

Jesus Christ it’s hard being smarter than most on this board

Tell me about it!

 

[The Nostradamus]

Will that tip a band #1 pick?

no but as explained 750k should
so you offer just under it so another team has to better it
which will then trigger band 1

 

[Merlin007]

We're not gonna lose him for less than band one, the club has said it. It's our right to play hardball, he is restricted. It's gonna be a long couple of months if everybody panics every time somebody said something. Honestly. A poster said with some form of ITK status yesterday that he'd told the club he was leaving, everyone panics. Today an article comes out saying we haven't even spoken to him about a contract, everyone panics. This constant f***ing expectation that the worst thing possible is going to happen to the NMFC is extremely tiresome.

How true

 

[bennymate]

Hearing we are EXTREMELY interested in Georgiades

And we will be the first club he knocks back.

 

[Ichiro #51]

Lets face it, no one thinks Ben is really worth pick 3. We all want it of course because that would be a long overdue win in the trading/free agency space.

Hypothetical: if the shit hit the fan and Ben ended up in the national draft with a 700k price tag, what pick do reckon he’d go? I’m going with 20-30.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Lets face it, no one thinks Ben is really worth pick 3. We all want it of course because that would be a long overdue win in the trading/free agency space.

Hypothetical: if the s**t hit the fan and Ben ended up in the national draft with a 700k price tag, what pick do reckon he’d go? I’m going with 20-30.

hes worth (700k to us) 750k to pry away which is band 1

which just so happens to be pick 3 for a bottom 2 club

its the james frawley situation (ben younger which works in our favour)

 

[Ichiro #51]

hes worth (700k to us) 750k to pry away which is band 1

which just so happens to be pick 3 for a bottom 2 club

its the james frawley situation (ben younger which works in our favour)

What pick do reckon he’d go with a 750k price tag?

 

[Daniltchenko You Beauty]

It's pretty shallow using someone's draft spot to justify them, too, FWIW.

The stats at least show that his disposal efficiency is well below the league average. We already struggle with that last kick into F50, so bringing in someone with below-average disposal doesn't help us at all.

Getting a high pick cheaply is fool's gold. Have you wondered why they haven't locked him away yet? Have you wondered why it was him and not somebody else that was sent back to the VFL?

Beatson said he's had a contract in front of him all year and he hasn't signed. He clearly thinks he's been misused.

He was an elite kick as a junior so relying on disposal efficiency, the worst stat in football, is an incredibly shallow way to judge a player.

 

[The Nostradamus]

What pick do reckon he’d go with a 750k price tag?

who cares

 

[Ashley B]

Hearing we are EXTREMELY interested in Georgiades

He is damaged goods now ,we already have Comben. Would take him only if very cheap or a swap for Turner

 

[Twangler]

What pick do reckon he’d go with a 750k price tag?
I’d say around 12- 15. One of the better intercept marks in the competition but lacking defensive nous and fairly average disposal.