List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

[King Corey]

Edit: will update if ppl happy for this to sticky

Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.

• Mac Andrew
• Hunter Clark
• Zac Fisher
• Sam Flanders
• Mitch Georgiades
• Liam Henry
• Dougal Howard
• Lewis Melican
• Jack Silvagni
• Dylan Stephens
• Adam Tomlinson

 

[Ichiro #51]

who cares

You and Ben are a match made in heaven. You both massively overrate yourselves.

 

[Ichiro #51]

What pick do reckon he’d go with a 750k price tag?
I’d say around 12- 15. One of the better intercept marks in the competition but lacking defensive nous and fairly average disposal.

Fair call.

 

[The Nostradamus]

What pick do reckon he’d go with a 750k price tag?
I’d say around 12- 15. One of the better intercept marks in the competition but lacking defensive nous and fairly average disposal.

still not sure why this matters

its a band 1 compo which for a bottom2 team is pick 3

you could do that task with every free agent and get results much different to the actual compo

 

[Ichiro #51]

still not sure why this matters

its a band 1 compo which for a bottom2 team is pick 3

you could do that task with every free agent and get results much different to the actual compo

It’s a thought exercise bro-ham. Don’t know if you realize this about yourself, but you kind of get these fixations…

 

[Sticksphat]

Ben staying for 150k p.a over market value is not a good outcome. That is the sort of dumb-assery that has got us into this mess in the first place.

It always surprises me how much confidence a total imbecile can talk themselves into having.

I try not to make a habit of agreeing with Nostrils, but if another team makes Ben an offer (that we choose to match) that is "market value."

 

[Twangler]

still not sure why this matters

its a band 1 compo which for a bottom2 team is pick 3

you could do that task with every free agent and get results much different to the actual compo

It doesn’t, it’s just a hypothetical.
It just means we think he’s valued somewhere between pick 3 and end of first. So if we do get that pick 3 it’s great value for us!

 

[Ichiro #51]

I try not to make a habit of agreeing with Nostrils, but if another team makes and offer (that we choose to match) that is "market value."

I agree. But there is a difference matching at 600k to straight up going to our reserve price of 700 or 750. We have the whip hand here.

 

[The Nostradamus]

I agree. But there is a difference matching at 600k to straight up going to our reserve price of 700 or 750. We have the whip hand here.

Matching 600k and forcing a trade is a terrible result probably the worst result possible

A trade gets us less than band 1 compo

Outcomes in order of preference
1. Keep Ben at a low price eg 600k
2. Get band 1 compo which requires us to offer more so other clubs offer 750k
3. Keep Ben at a slightly higher price then ideal 700-750k
4. Don’t put a band 1 offer on the table and match a 600k offer that then forces a trade which gets us a shitty pick

 

[Sticksphat]

I agree. But there is a difference matching at 600k to straight up going to our reserve price of 700 or 750. We have the whip hand here.

That's why not making him a formal offer was a smart move. See what he is offered and decide what's best for North.

I will also say two other things
1. he is worth more to us next year due to Griff's injury, and
2. even matching a multi year deal doesn't tie us in. We can still look to trade him if it isn't working out. 1-2 years later, unless he completely flames out, he will still have value.

 

[Ichiro #51]

Matching 600k and forcing a trade is a terrible result probably the worst result possible

A trade gets us less than band 1 compo

Outcomes in order of preference
1. Keep Ben at a low price eg 600k
2. Get band 1 compo which requires us to offer more so other clubs offer 750k
3. Keep Ben at a slightly higher price then ideal 700-750k
4. Don’t put a band 1 offer on the table and match a 600k offer that then forces a trade which gets us a shitty pick

Bud, this is a bit awkward… but the only way we get a shot at option 1 is to shut the **** up, offer nothing and hold our ****ing nerve. The only thing we definitely cannot do is offer 700 or 750.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Bud, this is a bit awkward… but the only way we get a shot at option 1 is to shut the * up, offer nothing and hold our ******* nerve. The only thing we definitely cannot do is offer 700 or 750.

option 1 ain’t happening it would have already

We are at option 2 or 3 now

 

[Sticksphat]

2. Get band 1 compo which requires us to offer more so other clubs offer 750k

I'm not sure I follow why you think we need to offer him anything here. If another club offers enough to trigger Band 1 we don't need to do anything other than organise the farewell party. There doesn't need to be an offer from his own club in this scenario.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

That's why not making him a formal offer was a smart move. See what he is offered and decide what's best for North.

I will also say two other things
1. he is worth more to us next year due to Griff's injury, and
2. even matching a multi year deal doesn't tie us in. We can still look to trade him if it isn't working out. 1-2 years later, unless he completely flames out, he will still have value.

The thing here too is if we get to the point of "matching" and decide that he is more valuable to us we are completely fine to renegotiate his wage.

There may be a scenario we think we'd prefer to see pick 3 if he gets 750k a year. If he's getting 600k a year we may think it's in our best interest to have him on 700k a year (with the cap surplus etc) and negotiate there.

It'll never get to that point but there are a heap of scenarios not even worth looking at yet.

 

[The Nostradamus]

I'm not sure I follow why you think we need to offer him anything here. If another club offers enough to trigger Band 1 we don't need to do anything other than organise the farewell party. There doesn't need to be an offer from his own club in this scenario.

I’m not sure if you’ve read but the dons offer is not band 1 atm

Hence why we should be offering that to get the dons to up their offer to be band 1
Or he stays on slightly more than we like but is also an ok outcome

 

[The Nostradamus]

The thing here too is if we get to the point of "matching" and decide that he is more valuable to us we are completely fine to renegotiate his wage.

There may be a scenario we think we'd prefer to see pick 3 if he gets 750k a year. If he's getting 600k a year we may think it's in our best interest to have him on 700k a year (with the cap surplus etc) and negotiate there.

It'll never get to that point but there are a heap of scenarios not even worth looking at yet.

Matching is the worst case scenario as I outlined above

In that situation dons could/would offer just their second rounder or he will go through the national draft and we get nothing

At this stage the only decent options are losing him for band 1 compo or keeping him both of which require us to offer close to band 1

 

[Sticksphat]

I’m not sure if you’ve read but the dons offer is not band 1 atm

Hence why we should be offering that to get the dons to up their offer to be band 1
Or he stays on slightly more than we like but is also an ok outcome

Then we match the Don's offer and keep him. Offering him overs in a vain attempt to lift another clubs offer is madness. Other Clubs already know what we will and won't match.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Then we match the Don's offer and keep him. Offering him overs in a vain attempt to lift another clubs offer is madness. Other Clubs already know what we will and won't match.

Matching it doesn’t keep him
It forces a trade

Which will get us less than what we’d want

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Nobody knows what the Dons have offered if at all.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Nobody knows what the Dons have offered if at all.

we can only go by what has been reported so far which is 600k now that may change which is a terrible result, even if they are offering slightly more it doesnt really matter, we need them to be offering 750k

one way to force the right offer is to make a better offer

 

[Roo Beauty]

Matching it doesn’t keep him
It forces a trade

Which will get us less than what we’d want

Clubs already know what they’ll need to offer to avoid having to trade for him and trigger band 1 for us.

There’s no need for us to offer overs to him at the same time. What part of that is hard to understand?

 

[The Nostradamus]

Clubs already know what they’ll need to offer to avoid having to trade for him and trigger band 1 for us.

There’s no need for us to offer overs to him at the same time. What part of that is hard to understand?

Cos if there’s no higher offer on the table to beat Clubs would happily offer less and give up a second rounder (also means their first rounder doesn’t get pushed back a spot)

Then potentially more to get for free

But if you have an offer on the table then they have to beat it as the manager will leverage the offer

 

[Ichiro #51]

we can only go by what has been reported so far which is 600k now that may change which is a terrible result, even if they are offering slightly more it doesnt really matter, we need them to be offering 750k

one way to force the right offer is to make a better offer

We only need one or two other clubs to have an interest to find the right price. That is why we sit tight. Our one advantage is the right to match. I actually think we’re going about this the right way, which is refreshing. HOLD.

 

[The Nostradamus]

We only need one or two other clubs to have an interest to find the right price. That is why we sit tight. Our one advantage is the right to match. I actually think we’re going about this the right way, which is refreshing. HOLD.

And if no clubs come at the right price which we should know by now then we need to set the price

 

[Sticksphat]

Matching it doesn’t keep him
It forces a trade

Which will get us less than what we’d want

You're negotiating from the Don's perspective. If a trade gets us less than what we want, then we don't have to trade. If Ben really wants to go then he and his management work with the Don's to get us a reasonable outcome. Keeping in mind that our standing firm on the minimum offer that we won't match is in Ben's interest also.

 

[The Nostradamus]

You're negotiating from the Don's perspective. If a trade gets us less than what we want, then we don't have to trade. If Ben really wants to go then he and his management work with the Don's to get us a reasonable outcome. Keeping in mind that our standing firm on the minimum offer that we won't match is in Ben's interest also.

I’m negotiating from both points of view

And a trade will have to happen if we match. He would have accepted an offer indicting he wants out and we match forcing said trade which gives us a shit outcome as they won’t be offering their first

I’m not sure how often it needs to be said but matching get us the worst outcome as it will likely be a second rounder traded or he goes through the national draft and we get nothing

It’s keep or get band 1
Either way the guy needs to be getting paid 750k by us or someone else

As losing him for less than band 1 is not worth lowballing