List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

[King Corey]

Edit: will update if ppl happy for this to sticky

Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.

• Mac Andrew
• Hunter Clark
• Zac Fisher
• Sam Flanders
• Mitch Georgiades
• Liam Henry
• Dougal Howard
• Lewis Melican
• Jack Silvagni
• Dylan Stephens
• Adam Tomlinson

 

[Harris 10]

Yeah, that's what I mean... that Freo pick didn't become the asset they thought it would either.

No way the Eagles even consider that for Reid and there's no part of it that makes it palatable for us to drop down the order. There'd have to be a bonafide best 12-15 player coming with it.

We clearly want to get involved for Reid at some stage of this as well so it's on the Eagles if they want to draft him (I have no doubt they still would).

The Port pick will be attractive to them because it puts them in the Edwards range.

Reid or Curtin/Edwards combo is the decision they need to make in my opinion.

 

[My Left Foote]

I’ll red herring u in a minute

 

[Makeshift Park]

We would have to be overcompensated.

Yeah let’s help the godees get Reid - hand over JVR and pick 5 for pick 2

Now I'm obsessed and I'm trying to work out how the Dees imagine they could make this work given their limited draft hand.

The only way I can see it happening is if they offer up a good player, eg. JVR to WC.

The bones of the deal could look something like this:

Mel out: 5, 15, F1, JVR
Mel in: 1

WC out: 1
WC in: 2, JVR

GC out: 4
GC in: 15, Mel F1

NM out: 2
NM in: 4, 5

I'm not sure GC would be happy with that, and Melbourne really is paying a king's ransom, but let's park all that for the moment.

If we had to match bids on Sanders, getting GC and Melbourne's first picks would allow us to get ahead of that bid.

Meaning the top end of the draft would be something like:

1. Reid - Melb (WC pick)
2. Curtin - WC (using NM pick; WC signal to GC they won't bid on Walter)
3. Mckercher - NM (using Mckay compo; NM signal to GC they won't bid on Walter)
4. Walter - GC (academy; match Hawks - using pick 15 et al)
5. Duursma - Hawks pick
6. Watson - NM (GC pick)
7. O'Sullivan - NM (Mel pick)
8. Sanders - NM (NGA; match Richmond - using port pick and a 4th rounder)

 

[shintemaster]

Now I'm obsessed and I'm trying to work out how the Dees imagine they could make this work given their limited draft hand.

The only way I can see it happening is if they offer up a good player, eg. JVR to WC.

The bones of the deal could look something like this:

Mel out: 5, 15, F1, JVR
Mel in: 1

WC out: 1
WC in: 2, JVR

GC out: 4
GC in: 15, Mel F1

NM out: 2
NM in: 4, 5

I'm not sure GC would be happy with that, and Melbourne really is paying a king's ransom, but let's park all that for the moment.

If we had to match bids on Sanders, getting GC and Melbourne's first picks would allow us to get ahead of that bid.

Meaning the top end of the draft would be something like:

1. Reid - Melb (WC pick)
2. Curtin - WC (using NM pick; WC signal to GC they won't bid on Walter)
3. Mckercher - NM (using Mckay compo; NM signal to GC they won't bid on Walter)
4. Walter - GC (academy; match Hawks - using pick 15 et al)
5. Duursma - Hawks pick
6. Watson - NM (GC pick)
7. O'Sullivan - NM (Mel pick)
8. Sanders - NM (NGA; match Richmond - using port pick and a 4th rounder)

Obviously timing works for us given the timelines for concessions and free agency but I think we would need to know we were getting a top of the draft compensation pick to even consider 2 for 4 & 5 - there is otherwise too much chance that we aren't getting access to one of the 4 we rank the highest. FWIW I reckon those four are Reid, Curtin, Watson and ?

 

[Makeshift Park]

Obviously timing works for us given the timelines for concessions and free agency but I think we would need to know we were getting a top of the draft compensation pick to even consider 2 for 4 & 5 - there is otherwise too much chance that we aren't getting access to one of the 4 we rank the highest. FWIW I reckon those four are Reid, Curtin, Watson and ?

I've always assumed Mckercher was the fourth, but I don't have any inside intel.

 

[The acurate one]

Now I'm obsessed and I'm trying to work out how the Dees imagine they could make this work given their limited draft hand.

The only way I can see it happening is if they offer up a good player, eg. JVR to WC.

The bones of the deal could look something like this:

Mel out: 5, 15, F1, JVR
Mel in: 1

WC out: 1
WC in: 2, JVR

GC out: 4
GC in: 15, Mel F1

NM out: 2
NM in: 4, 5

I'm not sure GC would be happy with that, and Melbourne really is paying a king's ransom, but let's park all that for the moment.

If we had to match bids on Sanders, getting GC and Melbourne's first picks would allow us to get ahead of that bid.

Meaning the top end of the draft would be something like:

1. Reid - Melb (WC pick)
2. Curtin - WC (using NM pick; WC signal to GC they won't bid on Walter)
3. Mckercher - NM (using Mckay compo; NM signal to GC they won't bid on Walter)
4. Walter - GC (academy; match Hawks - using pick 15 et al)
5. Duursma - Hawks pick
6. Watson - NM (GC pick)
7. O'Sullivan - NM (Mel pick)
8. Sanders - NM (NGA; match Richmond - using port pick and a 4th rounder)

I ilke any scenario that thinks outside the box.

The Eagle is keen on SVR, so that could be a possibility with JVR. The Eagle will come calling for Jacob at some point.
I'd do 4 and 5 for 2 everyday of the week, and therein lies the problem.

If we walked away with the son of Kercher, Watson ( six is closer to where he should go) O'Sullivan and Sanders. I am sure they'd riot in the streets.
Nice to ponder though, I mean those four players and the ensuring riot.

Be a great day.

Happy to get Watson just not with pick 2 or 3.

 

[the big lebowski]

Exactly

 

[shintemaster]

I've always assumed Mckercher was the fourth, but I don't have any inside intel.

Could be... he was one of a couple that I had in mind. Either way, moving to 4 & 5 without a pick 3 means with GC concessions we are odds on not to get one of those 4 we apparently rate the highest... how much higher is the big question as well as how much another club is willing to concede to get there.

I ilke any scenario that thinks outside the box.

The Eagle is keen on SVR, so that could be a possibility with JVR. The Eagle will come calling for Jacob at some point.
I'd do 4 and 5 for 2 everyday of the week, and therein lies the problem.

If we walked away with the son of Kercher, Watson ( six is closer to where he should go) O'Sullivan and Sanders. I am sure they'd riot in the streets.
Nice to ponder though, I mean those four players and the ensuring riot.

Be a great day.

Happy to get Watson just not with pick 2 or 3.

Whilst I get your POV, I think moving out of that range means ultimately you are risking not getting Watson or McKercher. No guarantees on who others rate. Have to be willing to concede players you genuinely want, we are in a somewhat fortunate position as we have so many needs that we can arguably afford not to worry too much about types... FWIW I think Watson is very, very much on our hit list - even more so if we can pre list Sanders. (No inner scrote, just based on the teams we select, how we've played our best football and the mid sized heavy forward line we have).

 

[New_Roo]

I've always assumed Mckercher was the fourth, but I don't have any inside intel.

No to duursma?


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[shintemaster]

No to duursma?


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I don't think he is close to the need category for us.

 

[The Dingrel]

The Port pick will be attractive to them because it puts them in the Edwards range.

Reid or Curtin/Edwards combo is the decision they need to make in my opinion.

Yeah, and I'd like to think we're in the Edwards range with the Port pick as well.
Assuming go home factor is a non issue, how would people feel if we took Curtin, McKercher or Watson (assuming we get pick 3) and Edwards, plus Sanders???
I reckon that's a great haul without Reid. I suspect a fair bit to play out between us and WCE in the off season and Brady well placed to negotiate with them.

 

[The Dingrel]

Now I'm obsessed and I'm trying to work out how the Dees imagine they could make this work given their limited draft hand.

The only way I can see it happening is if they offer up a good player, eg. JVR to WC.

The bones of the deal could look something like this:

Mel out: 5, 15, F1, JVR
Mel in: 1

WC out: 1
WC in: 2, JVR

GC out: 4
GC in: 15, Mel F1

NM out: 2
NM in: 4, 5

I'm not sure GC would be happy with that, and Melbourne really is paying a king's ransom, but let's park all that for the moment.

If we had to match bids on Sanders, getting GC and Melbourne's first picks would allow us to get ahead of that bid.

Meaning the top end of the draft would be something like:

1. Reid - Melb (WC pick)
2. Curtin - WC (using NM pick; WC signal to GC they won't bid on Walter)
3. Mckercher - NM (using Mckay compo; NM signal to GC they won't bid on Walter)
4. Walter - GC (academy; match Hawks - using pick 15 et al)
5. Duursma - Hawks pick
6. Watson - NM (GC pick)
7. O'Sullivan - NM (Mel pick)
8. Sanders - NM (NGA; match Richmond - using port pick and a 4th rounder)

I can't see Melbourne wanting to trade out JVR to get Reid (and all those quality picks you mention). I'd do that in a heartbeat If I was WCE. Go Dees seem pretty heavily invested in JVR's development after losing Jackson, trading out Weideman, and over BBB. Only scenario there is JVR asks for a trade back to Perth. I'd have though JVR and pick 5 would be paying overs. Ironically Judas may have done us a favor if we are keen on trading for #1 and there are any doubts at all in WCE mind of Reids willingness to move to Perth. Flip side they might just take him and see what they get back in a trade next year, but I find that doubtful given the quality of the top 10 this year.

 

[giantroo]

 

[DesertRoo]

I feel for the dogs, what a little pre-Madonna this guy is.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

The Port pick will be attractive to them because it puts them in the Edwards range.

Reid or Curtin/Edwards combo is the decision they need to make in my opinion.

Just on points, WCE should give us their third-rounder to balance the deal. So that would be Pick 1 and 38 traded for Pick 2 and 16. They also hold pick 35.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Only scenario there is JVR asks for a trade back to Perth. I'd have though JVR and pick 5 would be paying overs.

Yes exactly, the entire thing is predicated on JVR (or whoever the player is) wanting to go to WA.

I think three first rounders would be around the mark of what they need to offer up to get pick 1, since they don't have a top 3 pick at their disposal, and their 5 will probably get pushed out to 7.

We could offer up our F2 to the Dees to balance the ledger somewhat.

But yes, the whole thing is far-fetched. I was just trying to see what it would require for the Dees to get 1 and WC to get 2.

 

[King Corey]

Melbourne are canny ****s. If we did have designs on trading with WC for access to Reid, we've now got serious competition.

There's a heap of ways Melbourne can move things around with other clubs to sweeten the pot for WC.

The core of their deal would be 5+15/F1. They could move R2/F2s in the background and also some of their depth players for picks in that range.

They've shown form in bundling picks to move around the draft board to suit their plans.

Wouldn't be shocked if they did something like pull GC's #4 out of one deal then offered something like #4 #5 #15/F1 for #1.

If they try to pull us into a multi-team trade I hope we have some big boys at the table to keep an eye on Brady.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Melbourne are canny ****s. If we did have designs on trading with WC for access to Reid, we've now got serious competition.

There's a heap of ways Melbourne can move things around with other clubs to sweeten the pot for WC.

The core of their deal would be 5+15/F1. They could move R2/F2s in the background and also some of their depth players for picks in that range.

They've shown form in bundling picks to move around the draft board to suit their plans.

Wouldn't be shocked if they did something like pull GC's #4 out of one deal then offered something like #4 #5 #15/F1 for #1.

If they try to pull us into a multi-team trade I hope we have some big boys at the table to keep an eye on Brady.

That's the point though: Melbourne can't get Reid and West Coast can't get Curtin unless we're involved.

 

[King Corey]

That's the point though: Melbourne can't get Reid and West Coast can't get Curtin unless we're involved.

Agree that WC could risk losing Curtin but the key point is Melbourne may put so much bait on the hook that they get into position for Reid. And WC might feel well enough compensated to cop the Curtin outcome.

For all we know WC don't rank Curtin way above anyone else on their own draft board. They might be perfectly happy to take a great deal and draft from a pool of McKercher, Duursma, Watson, O'Sullivan et al.

 

[shintemaster]

That's the point though: Melbourne can't get Reid and West Coast can't get Curtin unless we're involved.

Exactly. For mine it is in our interests not to get involved and make West Coast come to us if they feel a downgrade is in order. We should not be making it easier for either party.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

That's the point though: Melbourne can't get Reid and West Coast can't get Curtin unless we're involved.

And any deal we agree to depends on whether we have to match a bid for Sanders. The one proposed above exposes our two picks if Hawthorn bids ahead of us. That would be a disaster.

 

[hoffseason gains]

I feel for the dogs, what a little pre-Madonna this guy is.

I reckon he’s well within his rights to seek a trade and deserves to feel upset. Drafted as a bursting inside midfielder but rarely gets any time in there. 2021 pretty much single-handedly lifted them into a grand final as a midfielder, so definitely has the quality. He’s seen them go out and get another, older midfielder who plays the exact way as him and now gets all the inside mid time (Treloar). They’ve pushed Macrae off to a half forward flank and shipped off Dunkley and he still can’t get mid time. They did the exact same thing to Dunkley who we all knew was a fantastic midfielder - then he requests a trade and becomes the gun full time mid we knew he was. If Smith goes now, then it’s beneficial for both sides, Smith will go get full time midfield minutes and probably star, Dogs will get a high pick(s) where they can select someone who better suits their mix.

 

[r00boy96]

Yeah, and I'd like to think we're in the Edwards range with the Port pick as well.
Assuming go home factor is a non issue, how would people feel if we took Curtin, McKercher or Watson (assuming we get pick 3) and Edwards, plus Sanders???
I reckon that's a great haul without Reid. I suspect a fair bit to play out between us and WCE in the off season and Brady well placed to negotiate with them.

Curtin, Watson, Edwards & Sanders is like the perfect four players for our list. I'd be stoked if we could manage to bring in these four. If we can retain our pick 39 than we take the best KPD project also in case Curtin turns out to be just as good in the midfield over the pre season.

 

[DesertRoo]

I reckon he’s well within his rights to seek a trade and deserves to feel upset. Drafted as a bursting inside midfielder but rarely gets any time in there. 2021 pretty much single-handedly lifted them into a grand final as a midfielder, so definitely has the quality. He’s seen them go out and get another, older midfielder who plays the exact way as him and now gets all the inside mid time (Treloar). They’ve pushed Macrae off to a half forward flank and shipped off Dunkley and he still can’t get mid time. They did the exact same thing to Dunkley who we all knew was a fantastic midfielder - then he requests a trade and becomes the gun full time mid we knew he was. If Smith goes now, then it’s beneficial for both sides, Smith will go get full time midfield minutes and probably star, Dogs will get a high pick(s) where they can select someone who better suits their mix.

I think it’s certainly more then that, something feels off, gets medical cert to only be drafted to a Melbourne based club.
Now comes out and says he wants to go to a lower profile club, like Hawthorn or Geelong?

Please.

 

[Makeshift Park]

The one proposed above exposes our two picks if Hawthorn bids ahead of us. That would be a disaster.

Would it though? its not like we have to bid on Sanders. If they want to take him at five, good luck to them.