List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

 

[gringo2011]

No they won't.

Both would still be in the range 2nd round pick.

Flanders would be way more than a second round pick. If we think Hunter Clark is worth more than a second, imagine what he'd be worth if he was performing. SF was pick 11 and just about to start his really consistent form. Since the chucked him on ball he's averaging around 30 possessions a game in 75% game time. Early in the season they threw him forward and kicked goals and still got good numbers. He's winning heaps of contested ball.

Henry was pick 9 in the same draft and was academy at Freo. How do you think Freo fans would react if they threw him away just as he's hit form?


Our best chance with Flanders is that we get end of first round compo for Gresham and that's enough or that and a late pick for points for their academy selections. The ideal would be Membrey or another guy wants to go up and retire on the GC and we get a player for free and pay the bulk of Membrey's wage for 2 years for them or something.

Henry I just can't see us negotiating enough for Bell to accept.

 

[gringo2011]

Good thing is we look to have drafted well the last couple of years.

At this stage I'm confident Owens, Nas, Pou will be guns. Windy maybe too, but at least he'll be solid.

Then we have Caminiti, Keeler, Heath, Hotton who could be anything.

Toce looks like he performs at AFL standard, something no-one else has been able to do in the last 20 years at the Saints. Of all the things that we've done wrong not getting a gun list manager and the best recruiter we could find were the most damaging. If you are rebuilding without the best staff available you are screwed. Not to have identified it as an issue over years was just unforgivable.


The AFL were apparently "worried" about St Kilda and dumped their sex pest reject on us to fix us up. Melbourne got a serious intervention with industry heavyweights. We are never quite terrible enough to get help but are so extraordinarily incompetent and still manage to stay of our feet which keeps the AFL off our back. It's a real shame that we didn't nose dive properly. We probably would have been already rebuilt with a huge AFL leg up.

 

[Joffaboy]

Clubs could have picked them in the top 20 and we would have had no chance to match, we got them thanks to COVID making form and development ambiguous for list managers.

Dogs got the #1 pick player (JUH) for stuff all under the old rules. We’ve received no advantage really so far from from the academy biznez

I don't trust the AFL at all. I would not be surprised if the AFL warned off other clubs to not draft them prior to pick 20 and then only bid after that.

The AFL is so corrupt that they would do that to get the club compliant with losing McKenzie and also have it in their back pocket to silence any dissent when clubs like Fold Coast or Norf get the golden handshake.

 

[The Punter]

Fairness is never irrelevant. Working in an unfair environment can affect effort. Get rid of them.

 

[gringo2011]

I don't trust the AFL at all. I would not be surprised if the AFL warned off other clubs to not draft them prior to pick 20 and then only bid after that.

The AFL is so corrupt that they would do that to get the club compliant with losing McKenzie and also have it in their back pocket to silence any dissent when clubs like Fold Coast or Norf get the golden handshake.

I'm not that conspiracy driven. Neither were consistent performers in their draft year. Owens got moved around because he could do it all and never settled in a position. Even the bid that did come would have been because of his late season midfield games. Windhager came with more long range hype but had a stuffed back. Just a bit of luck on our part for once.

The ridiculous thing is that they changed the rules the one year that we had a high pick available and now look like they'll change again to give North a free hit. How any club is meant to operate functionally within a frame work that doesn't have any stability is beyond me. Like when we had a good set up with the second up ruck rule and they changed it so we had to scramble to find and recruit a ruck again. Planning should be done years out not on the fly. We can't operate with in existing parameters, if they start moving the target we can't remember which way up is.

 

[Joffaboy]

Toce looks like he performs at AFL standard, something no-one else has been able to do in the last 20 years at the Saints. Of all the things that we've done wrong not getting a gun list manager and the best recruiter we could find were the most damaging. If you are rebuilding without the best staff available you are screwed. Not to have identified it as an issue over years was just unforgivable.


The AFL were apparently "worried" about St Kilda and dumped their sex pest reject on us to fix us up. Melbourne got a serious intervention with industry heavyweights. We are never quite terrible enough to get help but are so extraordinarily incompetent and still manage to stay of our feet which keeps the AFL off our back. It's a real shame that we didn't nose dive properly. We probably would have been already rebuilt with a huge AFL leg up.

Why do you think that? I have little faith we would have selected the right players. 10 years many on this forum has been saying target mids, mids and more mids. They target two HBF'ers in our two top ten picks in 17, a key forward (who really can't be argued with, but I am for my irrational rant) and an injury bust mid in 18, a winger, a back, a ruck a mid and a small forward in 19 waiting until pick 55 to pickup a scraps mid, a veteran mid and another small forward in 20.
21 and 22 we kicked off really well. However two drafts since 2017 really wont get the top four team we are looking for. If the AFL had given us a leg up any time before 2020 we would have squandered it I reckon.

 

[BrutThough]

Flanders would be way more than a second round pick. If we think Hunter Clark is worth more than a second, imagine what he'd be worth if he was performing. SF was pick 11 and just about to start his really consistent form. Since the chucked him on ball he's averaging around 30 possessions a game in 75% game time. Early in the season they threw him forward and kicked goals and still got good numbers. He's winning heaps of contested ball.

Henry was pick 9 in the same draft and was academy at Freo. How do you think Freo fans would react if they threw him away just as he's hit form?


Our best chance with Flanders is that we get end of first round compo for Gresham and that's enough or that and a late pick for points for their academy selections. The ideal would be Membrey or another guy wants to go up and retire on the GC and we get a player for free and pay the bulk of Membrey's wage for 2 years for them or something.

Henry I just can't see us negotiating enough for Bell to accept.

Anyone who thinks Clark is worth more than a 2nd rounder is kidding themselves. That shouldn't be the measuring stick to judge anyone else's worth.

Flanders is OOC and until 6 weeks ago, was unwanted by that club. They also aren't in the market for straight picks and will be doing deals with points in mind. His performances have upped his value but you could get him with a 2nd and late picks, or 2 seconds with something coming back our way. GC have no use for our first rounder so there would be no need to include it in a deal.

Henry is also OOC and played WAFL at times this season. Another sudden strike in form but even Freo supporters believe his value would be in the 20s. Bell cant hold Henry if he doesn't get a bounty for him so he will go on a reasonable deal to whichever club he choses.

 

[Joffaboy]

I'm not that conspiracy driven. Neither were consistent performers in their draft year. Owens got moved around because he could do it all and never settled in a position. Even the bid that did come would have been because of his late season midfield games. Windhager came with more long range hype but had a stuffed back. Just a bit of luck on our part for once.

The ridiculous thing is that they changed the rules the one year that we had a high pick available and now look like they'll change again to give North a free hit. How any club is meant to operate functionally within a frame work that doesn't have any stability is beyond me. Like when we had a good set up with the second up ruck rule and they changed it so we had to scramble to find and recruit a ruck again. Planning should be done years out not on the fly. We can't operate with in existing parameters, if they start moving the target we can't remember which way up is.

I don't know if it is true or not, but if it came out it would not surprise me one bit.

Your second sentence is absolutely spot on 100%. List management should be looking 5 years ahead, I heard the club was positioning itself for the Tassie team in 28/29.
So a team deliberately sheds 1000 games in experience, has multiple coaches in 18 months, has multiple admin and list management in a short space of time - ALL SELF INFLICTED - now gets a leg up.
Does this mean we can have Mckenzie from the Hawks?

 

[The Punter]

I'm not that conspiracy driven. Neither were consistent performers in their draft year. Owens got moved around because he could do it all and never settled in a position. Even the bid that did come would have been because of his late season midfield games. Windhager came with more long range hype but had a stuffed back. Just a bit of luck on our part for once.

The ridiculous thing is that they changed the rules the one year that we had a high pick available and now look like they'll change again to give North a free hit. How any club is meant to operate functionally within a frame work that doesn't have any stability is beyond me. Like when we had a good set up with the second up ruck rule and they changed it so we had to scramble to find and recruit a ruck again. Planning should be done years out not on the fly. We can't operate with in existing parameters, if they start moving the target we can't remember which way up is.

They've done this for a while. Steven McKee was a good AFL ruckman for a Grand Final team in 2002-2003. The next year they introduce the double centre circle, and he plays 8 more AFL games in total. Done at 26 years old. The AFL don't care much about that.

The second ruck rule annoys me more because the third man up usually cleared congestion, and a simple "only one person can contest the ruck from each team" rule (rather than ruck nomination) would have solved the problem.

If there is two things the AFL is really good at, it's rules on the fly, and smashing a peanut with a sledgehammer rules wise (deliberate behinds is another one that had a simpler fix).

 

[gringo2011]

Why do you think that? I have little faith we would have selected the right players. 10 years many on this forum has been saying target mids, mids and more mids. They target two HBF'ers in our two top ten picks in 17, a key forward (who really can't be argued with, but I am for my irrational rant) and an injury bust mid in 18, a winger, a back, a ruck a mid and a small forward in 19 waiting until pick 55 to pickup a scraps mid, a veteran mid and another small forward in 20.
21 and 22 we kicked off really well. However two drafts since 2017 really wont get the top four team we are looking for. If the AFL had given us a leg up any time before 2020 we would have squandered it I reckon.

I reckon if we were terrible enough they would have done what they did at Melbourne and Brisbane. They send in their fixers and work out why you're shit. Trout and his minions would have got their papers stamped and the restructure of the footy department would have been thorough. We got Lethlean who came in and made his little nepotistic fiefdom and built the list with no plan or sense of values attached instead.

Mediocrity the AFL can handle. Absolute shitshows they like to clean up.

 

[Sir Owens]

Thankfully the last 2 years have been very good drafts - Owens, Windy, Nas & Poo. (Plus others)

Clark and Coffield have really set the re-build back. Pretty unlucky that both top 10 picks from the same draft haven't gone on, but it is what it is. Injuries certainly played a part.

Add another 2-3 talented kids this year and we are starting to build a talent pool that can drive us back up the ladder long-term.

 

[sunny3193]

The ridiculous thing is that they changed the rules the one year that we had a high pick available and now look like they'll change again to give North a free hit. How any club is meant to operate functionally within a frame work that doesn't have any stability is beyond me. Like when we had a good set up with the second up ruck rule and they changed it so we had to scramble to find and recruit a ruck again. Planning should be done years out not on the fly. We can't operate with in existing parameters, if they start moving the target we can't remember which way up is.

Of all your sentences; even the most outrageously hyperbolic, analogous, and humorous, this is the one where we are in utter agreement.
In twenty words you have skewered the AFL administration’s absolute incompetence.
10/10.

 

[Klaatu]

Anyone who thinks Clark is worth more than a 2nd rounder is kidding themselves. That shouldn't be the measuring stick to judge anyone else's worth.

Flanders is OOC and until 6 weeks ago, was unwanted by that club. They also aren't in the market for straight picks and will be doing deals with points in mind. His performances have upped his value but you could get him with a 2nd and late picks, or 2 seconds with something coming back our way. GC have no use for our first rounder so there would be no need to include it in a deal.

Henry is also OOC and played WAFL at times this season. Another sudden strike in form but even Freo supporters believe his value would be in the 20s. Bell cant hold Henry if he doesn't get a bounty for him so he will go on a reasonable deal to whichever club he choses.

Henry played the 1st half of year at WAFL & only got a look in when Aish got injured otherwise would still be there,SOS spoke to his manager late April early May.


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[gringo2011]

Thankfully the last 2 years have been very good drafts - Owens, Windy, Nas & Poo. (Plus others)

Clark and Coffield have really set the re-build back. Pretty unlucky that both top 10 picks from the same draft haven't gone on, but it is what it is. Injuries certainly played a part.

Add another 2-3 talented kids this year and we are starting to build a talent pool that can drive us back up the ladder long-term.

It looks heaps better but at the same stage we were pretty happy about Hugh Goddard, McCartin, Dunny and Acres. They were going to win a us a flag. In 2020 Patto, HC and Coff looked like the future. Even Billings had a start to the year where people were starting to suggest that he might end up better than Bont. It's real heart in the mouth stuff riding on the Saints train. At least it looks like we have some hope again. Something that I'd lost by the end of last year.

That said as frustrating as this year has been, Collingwood, Port Adelaide and WCE had serious injury woes and fell to the bottom of the ladder. What Lyon has been able to do with a pretty ragged list is kind of impressive when I get through the rage cloud. We are staying in touch with Ross driving his Hyundai Getz alongside the V8 Supercars. They've run him into the kitty-litter a few times but he keeps getting through the gears and up near the front runners again. They all seem to be going flat out, Ross is singing along to his Air-Supply CD wearing his kids bike helmet but they can't **** him off.

Either this is a really really good bunch of kids and journeymen or he knows how to milk a stone.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Anyone who thinks Clark is worth more than a 2nd rounder is kidding themselves. That shouldn't be the measuring stick to judge anyone else's worth.

Flanders is OOC and until 6 weeks ago, was unwanted by that club. They also aren't in the market for straight picks and will be doing deals with points in mind. His performances have upped his value but you could get him with a 2nd and late picks, or 2 seconds with something coming back our way. GC have no use for our first rounder so there would be no need to include it in a deal.

Henry is also OOC and played WAFL at times this season. Another sudden strike in form but even Freo supporters believe his value would be in the 20s. Bell cant hold Henry if he doesn't get a bounty for him so he will go on a reasonable deal to whichever club he choses.

Hopefully we’ve already cut a deal with the Goldie prior to Neds golden patch.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Anyone who thinks Clark is worth more than a 2nd rounder is kidding themselves. That shouldn't be the measuring stick to judge anyone else's worth.

Flanders is OOC and until 6 weeks ago, was unwanted by that club. They also aren't in the market for straight picks and will be doing deals with points in mind. His performances have upped his value but you could get him with a 2nd and late picks, or 2 seconds with something coming back our way. GC have no use for our first rounder so there would be no need to include it in a deal.

Henry is also OOC and played WAFL at times this season. Another sudden strike in form but even Freo supporters believe his value would be in the 20s. Bell cant hold Henry if he doesn't get a bounty for him so he will go on a reasonable deal to whichever club he choses.

Hope you’re right and that they both choose us

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Flanders would be way more than a second round pick. If we think Hunter Clark is worth more than a second, imagine what he'd be worth if he was performing. SF was pick 11 and just about to start his really consistent form. Since the chucked him on ball he's averaging around 30 possessions a game in 75% game time. Early in the season they threw him forward and kicked goals and still got good numbers. He's winning heaps of contested ball.

Henry was pick 9 in the same draft and was academy at Freo. How do you think Freo fans would react if they threw him away just as he's hit form?


Our best chance with Flanders is that we get end of first round compo for Gresham and that's enough or that and a late pick for points for their academy selections. The ideal would be Membrey or another guy wants to go up and retire on the GC and we get a player for free and pay the bulk of Membrey's wage for 2 years for them or something.

Henry I just can't see us negotiating enough for Bell to accept.

Henry is uncontracted though? I think it makes a difference here. But do hope we walk away if he starts his usual b/s.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Clubs who got early access to significant players due to AFL bullshit this century. I probably missed some or got the years wrong.
Also a couple played it straight and were screwed by early bids, Bulldogs ( Ayce Cordy

Ayce Cordy

Age

35

Ht

204cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.0

3star

K

3.0

1star

HB

6.0

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.2

3star

),GC ( Bowes ).

GWS 27
2011: Free listing ( Cameron, Edwards, Shiel , Treloar, Bugg, Bruce, Hombsch, Wilson)
Free early draft picks ( Coniglio, Tyson, Hoskin-Elliot, Haynes, Greene, Adams , Tomlinson )
2012: Free early draft picks ( O'Rourke , Plowman , Corr )
2013: Early draft pick ( Boyd/Kelly ) 2014: Academy ( Steele) 2015: Academy ( Hopper , Kennedy , Himmelburg ).
2016: Academy ( Setterfield, Perryman, Cumming ) 2019: Academy ( Green )


Suns 10
2010:Free listing (Weller, Dixon, Matera, Zac Smith

32

Zac Smith

Age

35

Ht

206cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

7.1

4star

CL

3.0

4star

HO

21.9

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.0

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

2.2

4star

HO

13.6

5star

, McLKenzie ) Free early draft picks (Swallow, Day, Prestia, Lynch)
2019 : Priority ( Anderson/Rowell,


Collingwood 7
2002 F/S (Cam Cloke) 2003 F/S( Heath Shaw

23

Heath Shaw

Age

40

Ht

183cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.0

5star

K

15.8

5star

HB

5.2

4star

M

6.3

5star

T

2.4

4star

MG

472.4

5star

D

14.5

3star

K

11.0

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.6

3star

MG

244.0

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

3.8

3star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

) , 2004 F/S ( Travis Cloke). 2005 Priority( Thomas ) 2014 F/S( Moore)
2018 Academy ( Quaynor ) . 2021 F/S( Daicos )

Swans 2002: 5 F/S (Dempster) ,2011:F/S ( Mitchell) 2014:Academy ( Heeney). 2015: Academy (Mills), 2020 Academy( Gulden)

Carlton 5 2001: F/S (Waite ) 2003: Priority( Walker) 2005: Priority( Murphy) 2006: Priority( Hampson), 2007: Priority( Kreuzer)

Bulldogs 5 2003: Priority( Cooney) , 2004: Priority( Griffin) 2010: F/S( Wallis, Libratore). 2020: Academy ( Ugle-Hagan )

Hawks 3 2001riority( Hodge ). 2004: Priority ( Roughead ) 2005: Priority( Ellis)

Melbourne 3 2003: Priority ( Sylvia ) 2009riority( Scully/Treloar). 2012: F/S (Viney)

Eagles 3 2001: ( Judd). 2008: Priority ( Shuey). 2010: Priority ( Darling).

Lions 2015: Academy ( Keays) 2022 F/S ( Ashcroft , Fletcher ?)

Cats 2 2001 F/S ( Ablett) 2006 F/S ( Hawkins ).


Fremantle 2 2003: F/S (Brett Peake

Brett Peake

Age

42

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.1

4star

K

9.3

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

4.1

4star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

10.6

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.2

3star

) 2019 Academy ( Henry).

Bombers 2 2002: F/S ( Watson) , 2012:F/S ( Daniher)

Tigers 2 2004: Priority ( Deledio ) 2007: Priority( Rance )

North 2 2013: F/S ( McDonald), 2016:Academy ( Thomas ),


Saints 2: 2000. Priority Pick ( Riewoldt/Kosi ) 2001: Priority ( Ball) Do i count Owens or Windy? Anyone could have got them.

Port 2002: 1 F/S ( Ebert )

Crows ??

 

[The Punter]

Clubs who got early access to significant players due to AFL bullshit this century. I probably missed some or got the years wrong.
Also a couple played it straight and were screwed by early bids, Bulldogs ( Ayce Cordy ),GC ( Bowes ).

GWS 27
2011: Free listing ( Cameron, Edwards, Shiel , Treloar, Bugg, Bruce, Hombsch, Wilson)
Free early draft picks ( Coniglio, Tyson, Hoskin-Elliot, Haynes, Greene, Adams , Tomlinson )
2012: Free early draft picks ( O'Rourke , Plowman , Corr )
2013: Early draft pick ( Boyd/Kelly ) 2014: Academy ( Steele) 2015: Academy ( Hopper , Kennedy , Himmelburg ).
2016: Academy ( Setterfield, Perryman, Cumming ) 2019: Academy ( Green )


Suns 10
2010:Free listing (Weller, Dixon, Matera, Zac Smith, McLKenzie ) Free early draft picks (Swallow, Day, Prestia, Lynch)
2019 : Priority ( Anderson/Rowell,


Collingwood 7
2002 F/S (Cam Cloke) 2003 F/S( Heath Shaw ) , 2004 F/S ( Travis Cloke). 2005 Priority( Thomas ) 2014 F/S( Moore)
2018 Academy ( Quaynor ) . 2021 F/S( Daicos )

Swans 2002: 5 F/S (Dempster) ,2011:F/S ( Mitchell) 2014:Academy ( Heeney). 2015: Academy (Mills), 2020 Academy( Gulden)

Carlton 5 2001: F/S (Waite ) 2003: Priority( Walker) 2005: Priority( Murphy) 2006: Priority( Hampson), 2007: Priority( Kreuzer)

Bulldogs 5 2003: Priority( Cooney) , 2004: Priority( Griffin) 2010: F/S( Wallis, Libratore). 2020: Academy ( Ugle-Hagan )

Hawks 3 2001riority( Hodge ). 2004: Priority ( Roughead ) 2005: Priority( Ellis)

Melbourne 3 2003: Priority ( Sylvia ) 2009riority( Scully/Treloar). 2012: F/S (Viney)

Eagles 3 2001: ( Judd). 2008: Priority ( Shuey). 2010: Priority ( Darling).

Lions 2015: Academy ( Keays) 2022 F/S ( Ashcroft , Fletcher ?)

Cats 2 2001 F/S ( Ablett) 2006 F/S ( Hawkins ).


Fremantle 2 2003: F/S (Brett Peake) 2019 Academy ( Henry).

Bombers 2 2002: F/S ( Watson) , 2012:F/S ( Daniher)

Tigers 2 2004: Priority ( Deledio ) 2007: Priority( Rance )

North 2 2013: F/S ( McDonald), 2016:Academy ( Thomas ),


Saints 2: 2000. Priority Pick ( Riewoldt/Kosi ) 2001: Priority ( Ball) Do i count Owens or Windy? Anyone could have got them.

Port 2002: 1 F/S ( Ebert )

Crows ??

Should we count the FA compensation for clubs losing players to GC/GWS? That's doesn't happen if the clubs aren't coming into the league. A whole bunch of the Doggies success was built out of losing Harbrow and Ward to the new clubs - pretty sure they got Stringer and MacRae out of that.

And I think you've underestimated some of the Northern teams and their academy kids.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Should we count the FA compensation for clubs losing players to GC/GWS? That's doesn't happen if the clubs aren't coming into the league. A whole bunch of the Doggies success was built out of losing Harbrow and Ward to the new clubs - pretty sure they got Stringer and MacRae out of that.

And I think you've underestimated some of the Northern teams and their academy kids.

I thought of that , all the compensation picks, but it was already too hard.

I might have missed some, but a lot didn't amount to much too.
Same with father/picks. Bailey Rice wasn't the only one.

There were also some cases like O'Meara , who wasn't really significant, but GWS nicely turned him into draft picks thanks to the Hawks.

 

[gringo2011]

Clubs who got early access to significant players due to AFL bullshit this century. I probably missed some or got the years wrong.
Also a couple played it straight and were screwed by early bids, Bulldogs ( Ayce Cordy ),GC ( Bowes ).

GWS 27
2011: Free listing ( Cameron, Edwards, Shiel , Treloar, Bugg, Bruce, Hombsch, Wilson)
Free early draft picks ( Coniglio, Tyson, Hoskin-Elliot, Haynes, Greene, Adams , Tomlinson )
2012: Free early draft picks ( O'Rourke , Plowman , Corr )
2013: Early draft pick ( Boyd/Kelly ) 2014: Academy ( Steele) 2015: Academy ( Hopper , Kennedy , Himmelburg ).
2016: Academy ( Setterfield, Perryman, Cumming ) 2019: Academy ( Green )


Suns 10
2010:Free listing (Weller, Dixon, Matera, Zac Smith, McLKenzie ) Free early draft picks (Swallow, Day, Prestia, Lynch)
2019 : Priority ( Anderson/Rowell,


Collingwood 7
2002 F/S (Cam Cloke) 2003 F/S( Heath Shaw ) , 2004 F/S ( Travis Cloke). 2005 Priority( Thomas ) 2014 F/S( Moore)
2018 Academy ( Quaynor ) . 2021 F/S( Daicos )

Swans 2002: 5 F/S (Dempster) ,2011:F/S ( Mitchell) 2014:Academy ( Heeney). 2015: Academy (Mills), 2020 Academy( Gulden)

Carlton 5 2001: F/S (Waite ) 2003: Priority( Walker) 2005: Priority( Murphy) 2006: Priority( Hampson), 2007: Priority( Kreuzer)

Bulldogs 5 2003: Priority( Cooney) , 2004: Priority( Griffin) 2010: F/S( Wallis, Libratore). 2020: Academy ( Ugle-Hagan )

Hawks 3 2001riority( Hodge ). 2004: Priority ( Roughead ) 2005: Priority( Ellis)

Melbourne 3 2003: Priority ( Sylvia ) 2009riority( Scully/Treloar). 2012: F/S (Viney)

Eagles 3 2001: ( Judd). 2008: Priority ( Shuey). 2010: Priority ( Darling).

Lions 2015: Academy ( Keays) 2022 F/S ( Ashcroft , Fletcher ?)

Cats 2 2001 F/S ( Ablett) 2006 F/S ( Hawkins ).


Fremantle 2 2003: F/S (Brett Peake) 2019 Academy ( Henry).

Bombers 2 2002: F/S ( Watson) , 2012:F/S ( Daniher)

Tigers 2 2004: Priority ( Deledio ) 2007: Priority( Rance )

North 2 2013: F/S ( McDonald), 2016:Academy ( Thomas ),


Saints 2: 2000. Priority Pick ( Riewoldt/Kosi ) 2001: Priority ( Ball) Do i count Owens or Windy? Anyone could have got them.

Port 2002: 1 F/S ( Ebert )

Crows ??

Swans academy developed players on their list now: Mills, Campbell, Heeney, Gulden and Blakey who are all nudging elite. They also have Bell and Wicks who came through as well. We tried to get Hall-Kahan listed as NGA players and they said no and gave him to Sydney instead because their leg up was so small.


GWS and GC also got capital given to them for other clubs taking players. We paid them for taking Milera and Saad and Tom Lee and they also got the picks for the mini drafts.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Clubs who got early access to significant players due to AFL bullshit this century. I probably missed some or got the years wrong.
Also a couple played it straight and were screwed by early bids, Bulldogs ( Ayce Cordy ),GC ( Bowes ).

GWS 27
2011: Free listing ( Cameron, Edwards, Shiel , Treloar, Bugg, Bruce, Hombsch, Wilson)
Free early draft picks ( Coniglio, Tyson, Hoskin-Elliot, Haynes, Greene, Adams , Tomlinson )
2012: Free early draft picks ( O'Rourke , Plowman , Corr )
2013: Early draft pick ( Boyd/Kelly ) 2014: Academy ( Steele) 2015: Academy ( Hopper , Kennedy , Himmelburg ).
2016: Academy ( Setterfield, Perryman, Cumming ) 2019: Academy ( Green )


Suns 10
2010:Free listing (Weller, Dixon, Matera, Zac Smith, McLKenzie ) Free early draft picks (Swallow, Day, Prestia, Lynch)
2019 : Priority ( Anderson/Rowell,


Collingwood 7
2002 F/S (Cam Cloke) 2003 F/S( Heath Shaw ) , 2004 F/S ( Travis Cloke). 2005 Priority( Thomas ) 2014 F/S( Moore)
2018 Academy ( Quaynor ) . 2021 F/S( Daicos )

Swans 2002: 5 F/S (Dempster) ,2011:F/S ( Mitchell) 2014:Academy ( Heeney). 2015: Academy (Mills), 2020 Academy( Gulden)

Carlton 5 2001: F/S (Waite ) 2003: Priority( Walker) 2005: Priority( Murphy) 2006: Priority( Hampson), 2007: Priority( Kreuzer)

Bulldogs 5 2003: Priority( Cooney) , 2004: Priority( Griffin) 2010: F/S( Wallis, Libratore). 2020: Academy ( Ugle-Hagan )

Hawks 3 2001riority( Hodge ). 2004: Priority ( Roughead ) 2005: Priority( Ellis)

Melbourne 3 2003: Priority ( Sylvia ) 2009riority( Scully/Treloar). 2012: F/S (Viney)

Eagles 3 2001: ( Judd). 2008: Priority ( Shuey). 2010: Priority ( Darling).

Lions 2015: Academy ( Keays) 2022 F/S ( Ashcroft , Fletcher ?)

Cats 2 2001 F/S ( Ablett) 2006 F/S ( Hawkins ).


Fremantle 2 2003: F/S (Brett Peake) 2019 Academy ( Henry).

Bombers 2 2002: F/S ( Watson) , 2012:F/S ( Daniher)

Tigers 2 2004: Priority ( Deledio ) 2007: Priority( Rance )

North 2 2013: F/S ( McDonald), 2016:Academy ( Thomas ),


Saints 2: 2000. Priority Pick ( Riewoldt/Kosi ) 2001: Priority ( Ball) Do i count Owens or Windy? Anyone could have got them.

Port 2002: 1 F/S ( Ebert )

Crows ??

To me, our PPS we were really Kosi and Clarke. We still would have had pick 1 and taken Roo.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Peeps, can gringo2011 sub in for your list manager so we can get a 1st round pick for Henry? I've always been a big fan but I'm realistic a pick in the low 20s is the maximum I can hope and realistically it's probably low 30s. I've already accepted I'm going to be filthy at that trade.

I personally think Flanders is worth at least a top 20 pick (at least in points) so that GC can move pick 5 almost entirely to next year but that's a separate discussion

 

[jwikked]

Peeps, can gringo2011 sub in for your list manager so we can get a 1st round pick for Henry? I've always been a big fan but I'm realistic a pick in the low 20s is the maximum I can hope and realistically it's probably low 30s. I've already accepted I'm going to be filthy at that trade.

I personally think Flanders is worth at least a top 20 pick (at least in points) so that GC can move pick 5 almost entirely to next year but that's a separate discussion

Unironically if Gringo had been our list manager over the last 5 years we'd have done very well

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Unironically if Gringo had been our list manager over the last 5 years we'd have done very well

GET. HIM. IN