List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[blueiris]

I think we will be going a low cost/free option to fill the Joe list spot, eg. Sam Day/mature State League player.

One year contract with triggers for a 2nd year, if it doesn't work out giving up one list spot is not going to hurt us.

yes it would when we can draft players like Gellett Richardson and Gallop with that free list spot

 

[M Malice]

yes it would when we can draft players like Gellett Richardson and Gallop with that free list spot

If our recruitment team want 1 or more of those 3 players a Sam Day or mature State League KPF signing will not affect that... they will work it out.

 

[blueiris]

If our recruitment team want 1 or more of those 3 players a Sam Day or mature State League KPF signing will not affect that... they will work it out.

Day has had massive injury problems and hasn't even kicked 20 goals in a season the most being 19

 

[M Malice]

Day has had massive injury problems and hasn't even kicked 20 goals in a season the most being 19

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan of Sam Day, it's just I can see us getting him. Personally I would prefer Riccardi(if the price was right) or a mature state leaguer OR it would not worry me if we went with what we have and played smaller up forward.

Or if the AFL go with 5 on the bench(no sub) we could play Henry Smith in that 5th bench spot.

I have complete trust in what Fagan/Daly and our list management team decide to do, they have the runs on the board.

 

[Ceebee]

Think the club would make a sensible decision on who will replace Joe .
You can’t replace him and I don’t see any sense in bringing in aged and injury prone players delisted or retired from another club .

 

[Squizz89]

Day has had massive injury problems and hasn't even kicked 20 goals in a season the most being 19

He’s not there to win the Coleman. He is there literally to provide a bit of insurance and possibly to plug and play, if required, to avoid a tall forward line of Hipwood (coming off OP), a second year undersized KPP & an 18yo kid who we haven’t even drafted yet.

I get that it’s not ideal, but none of the options really are. In an ideal world Joe would’ve played on the extra year and we bring in the big fish next year. That isn’t happening, such is life, but we need to avoid going in with a forward line of the above as well as Ryan (unlikely to make it) and Henry (more ruck than forward) imo.

 

[briztoon]

Not sure where Dev fits in at the Pies. Thought they had a couple of young, high drafted mids that already struggled to get a game.


Figured if the Baker to West Coast trade fell over, then Dev would get a look in at West Coast.

 

[blueiris]

Not sure where Dev fits in at the Pies. Thought they had a couple of young, high drafted mids that already struggled to get a game.


Figured if the Baker to West Coast trade fell over, then Dev would get a look in at West Coast.

Collingwood needs young inside midfielders other than ND and Degoey not sure they are a team that has a massive amount of depth in that area

 

[Nunez]

The premiers would have their pick of the KPF available. If the club believe Day is the best option, then we should absolutely back them in. It's not an ideal pool of talent available and he'll still have to pass a medical.

 

[M Malice]

He’s not there to win the Coleman. He is there literally to provide a bit of insurance and possibly to plug and play, if required, to avoid a tall forward line of Hipwood (coming off OP), a second year undersized KPP & an 18yo kid who we haven’t even drafted yet.

I get that it’s not ideal, but none of the options really are. In an ideal world Joe would’ve played on the extra year and we bring in the big fish next year. That isn’t happening, such is life, but we need to avoid going in with a forward line of the above as well as Ryan (unlikely to make it) and Henry (more ruck than forward) imo.

It really is a rare decision by Joe to retire arguably at the peak of his career, only 30 years of age and could have had another 2-3 seasons at least in him.

There probably are other examples but has a player just pulling the pin while in peak form and uninjured happened before in the AFL?

">#Joe

 

[blueiris]

He’s not there to win the Coleman. He is there literally to provide a bit of insurance and possibly to plug and play, if required, to avoid a tall forward line of Hipwood (coming off OP), a second year undersized KPP & an 18yo kid who we haven’t even drafted yet.

I get that it’s not ideal, but none of the options really are. In an ideal world Joe would’ve played on the extra year and we bring in the big fish next year. That isn’t happening, such is life, but we need to avoid going in with a forward line of the above as well as Ryan (unlikely to make it) and Henry (more ruck than forward) imo.

realistic how many goals do you expect a Sam Day scores if he doesn't breakdown like the Glass he's made of

 

[martinson]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan of Sam Day, it's just I can see us getting him. Personally I would prefer Riccardi(if the price was right) or a mature state leaguer OR it would not worry me if we went with what we have and played smaller up forward.

Or if the AFL go with 5 on the bench(no sub) we could play Henry Smith in that 5th bench spot.

I have complete trust in what Fagan/Daly and our list management team decide to do, they have the runs on the board.

If we're going for Day it seems there isn't much faith in Ryan.

I dunno, maybe Day will be ok, he at least has the capacity to contest high balls when he's fit. And probably a better ruck than Joe but not so hot on the clearances.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Day has had massive injury problems and hasn't even kicked 20 goals in a season the most being 19

But a third round rookie selection would be better next year?

 

[Nathan Barley]

If we're going for Day it seems there isn't much faith in Ryan.

I dunno, maybe Day will be ok, he at least has the capacity to contest high balls when he's fit. And probably a better ruck than Joe but not so hot on the clearances.

Different types. Like Joe and Hippy

 

[Nunez]

realistic how many goals do you expect a Sam Day scores if he doesn't breakdown like the Glass he's made of

In this hypothetical assuming he plays every game - 30-40 goals.

If we recruit him though, I fully expect it's to be coverage for our other talls.

 

[martinson]

It really is a rare decision by Joe to retire arguably at the peak of his career, only 30 years of age and could have had another 2-3 seasons at least in him.

There probably are other examples but has a player just pulling the pin while in peak form and uninjured happened before in the AFL?

">#Joe

People I speak to from other clubs just can't believe it. Offer him whatever it takes is the usual response .But it's nothing to do with money , or even the inconvenience of being an AFL player and all that goes with it.

I just don't think Joe had it in him any more. He gave all he had, achieved what he probably never thought was possible and he just doesn't want to have to train or get himself up to play any more. Unfortunate since he's got himself fully fit after all the injury issues. I remember when he did his collarbone in his first or second year with us. He was just heartbroken. Was Rance a similar situation ?

 

[blueiris]

But a third round rookie selection would be better next year?

How do you know he wouldn't a 2nd round pick forward kicked more than him in he's first season

 

[martinson]

In this hypothetical assuming he plays every game - 30-40 goals.

If we recruit him though, I fully expect it's to be coverage for our other talls.

I think we've got players who can kick goals. If Day can just contest well enough to keep it in the forward line he'll be doing his job.

 

[blueiris]

In this hypothetical assuming he plays every game - 30-40 goals.

If we recruit him though, I fully expect it's to be coverage for our other talls.

But he's never kicked more than 19 in he's career that would be a massive improvement for he's career

 

[Nathan Barley]

How do you know he wouldn't a 2nd round pick forward kicked more than him in he's first season

Playing in a premiership against the opposition weakest defender

He's an outlier

 

[M Malice]

People I speak to from other clubs just can't believe it. Offer him whatever it takes is the usual response .But it's nothing to do with money , or even the inconvenience of being an AFL player and all that goes with it.

I just don't think Joe had it in him any more. He gave all he had, achieved what he probably never thought was possible and he just doesn't want to have to train or get himself up to play any more. Unfortunate since he's got himself fully fit after all the injury issues. I remember when he did his collarbone in his first or second year with us. He was just heartbroken. Was Rance a similar situation ?

Not sure on Rance but yer he could be another one.

If I had to guess I would say you nailed it, Joe just can't mentally handle the training any longer... however I do think that being so averse to the spotlight would have played a small part in his decision to pull the pin.

 

[blueiris]

Playing in a premiership against the opposition weakest defender

He's an outlier

So if Morris kicks 30 NEXT season are you going to respect him?

 

[Perrip]

If our recruitment team want 1 or more of those 3 players a Sam Day or mature State League KPF signing will not affect that... they will work it out.

Signing any Joe replacement confirms that in the situation where Sharp is the only player that is traded:

• We'd be elevating a Rookie + Levi/Marshall at the draft instead of drafting 3 new players.
• Or, delisting Prior or Beeken/Craven

 

[Nunez]

But he's never kicked more than 19 in he's career that would be a massive improvement for he's career

He's never been the #1 or #2 key forward for a full season in a good team. Your hypothetical was if he played every game 30-40 is only 1 and a bit goals a game. A very reasonable amount for a senior bodied key forward who is also an elite contested mark.

 

[Nunez]

So if Morris kicks 30 NEXT season are you going to respect him?

Nathan is spot on mate. Not to mention, we need a physical body in there if Hipwood goes down. A key forward line of Morris, Smith and Fort would be worse than Sydney's key forward line in the GF. Let that sink in.