List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Lach72]

So essentially 6,25

To even compare, if we’re giving up 17, we need a second coming back

 

[DragoDelph]

This would be great but I feel is very optimistic. Bolton is costing 2 firsts

Yep

and they'll want the other for Baker.

Nope

 

[Lach72]

I hope we don't give up a first for Baker but that's what they'll ask for. It may end up Saints 2nd and a F2 or a first for baker and one of their seconds.

They can ask all they like.
If he nominates us it’s stiff shit for them. He’s out of contract, and there’s no way the Eagles are coughing up more than a second

 

[Piggy Smalls]

There's only three clubs that can offer the opportunity to become an immortal inaugral premiership player. And only one of them offers the opportunity to regularly play in front of 45-50k. It's definitely a bit of a niche pitch with plenty of appeal.

 

[s_wd6]

To even compare, if we’re giving up 17, we need a second coming back

6 was 6. 9 will be 11. 19 was 19. 17 will be 20.

6,25 vs 11,20

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

They can ask all they like.
If he nominates us it’s stiff shit for them. He’s out of contract, and there’s no way the Eagles are coughing up more than a second

I'm right there with you. I reckon the Saints second is fair but these trades never work out like that. Baker himself has said he wants them well compensated.

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

There's only three clubs that can offer the opportunity to become an immortal inaugral premiership player. And only one of them offers the opportunity to regularly play in front of 45-50k. It's definitely a bit of a niche pitch with plenty of appeal.

At least until Tassie and the Rottnest Island teams come into the comp.

 

[DragoDelph]

The only way it’s a first for baker, is if that first comes from a player leaving, it’s late, and we get something back.

Though 10 for baker and brisbanes 14 would be ok.

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

Baker and West Coast would be crazy to do this. The club needs youth and Baker wants to go to the club he supported as a kid for what? To lose 18 games a season for the next 3 years and be apart of the worst period(On field) in their history? Makes no sense. If he picks them we dodged a bullet because clearly winning isn't a priority for him anymore.

 

[Megalon]

It's not that he definitely isn't coming, its that you should all be adjusting your expectations down on the liklihood. Unless you like riding the highs and lows.

To be fair, if we treat the potential trades like supporting Fremantle this season, we'll be fine. We have game in this kind of caper

 

[Megalon]

Baker and West Coast would be crazy to do this. The club needs youth and Baker wants to go to the club he supported as a kid for what? To lose 18 games a season for the next 3 years and be apart of the worst period(On field) in their history? Makes no sense. If he picks them we dodged a bullet because clearly winning isn't a priority for him anymore.

Reckon Baker might do it if he wants to start setting himself up for life in WA after footy. Richmond won't be doing any better than West Coast in the next few years. WC would benefit from his experience/leadership etc as they rebuild. Think it makes sense for both parties.

 

[Cobbler]

It's not that he definitely isn't coming, its that you should all be adjusting your expectations down on the liklihood. Unless you like riding the highs and lows.

In that case, I also heard Bont and Daicos are mad keen and are reverse Bakers in that they want their existing team to get absolutely ****ed on the trade.

 

[Taylor]

Bolton early keeps the door open for Pickett and or Warner

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Bolton early keeps the door open for Pickett

 

[Vimal Anand]

That last bit about Angus Brayshaw was disturbing. [emoji45]

I think that's why I think it is a fake ITK. That line was unnecessary in this context. He added that line to get credibility

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[Vintage]

Whatever happens this trade period, I’ll be ok provided we have someone’s 2025 first to death ride.

Having Richmond’s 2025 second rounder would be nice too, but doesn’t feel like much of a death ride.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Banfield, Fyfe, Walters, JoM and Aish played 100 games last season.

Fyfe had his best year in 5, and didn't get injured, and still barely held a spot in the 22.
Walters really slowed towards the end of the year. Unlikely to best 22.
Aish was dropped from best 22.
Banfield was dropped, and not in best 22.
JoM held a spot in the 22 just, another year older I don't see him improving.



I really think only JoM should be near the best 22 next year, with no injuries, but this means we either need to have no injuries, bring in 2 or 3 players which seems unlikely, or find 2 or 3 draftees who can hit the ground running, once again unlikely unless we snag a mature age player.

If can't replace them, we could take a step backwards next year, until our bottom 5 players are good enough. (Hopefully this doesn't happen)


How many games do each of them play?
Who replaces them?

Here is my shot.

Banfield 5 to 10
Fyfe - 5 to 10
Walters - 1 to 5
JoM - 15
Aish - 5

Leaves roughly 60 games to fill.

Bolton 20
Small forward - 20 games - Pickett, Berry, Richards or ... (Need to add two small forwards to the list)
NOD - 10 more games
Erasmus 10+ games - should play all games Fyfe doesn't.

 

[arsesmart]

Banfield, Fyfe, Walters, JoM and Aish played 100 games last season.

Fyfe had his best year in 5, and didn't get injured, and still barely held a spot in the 22.
Walters really slowed towards the end of the year. Unlikely to best 22.
Aish was dropped from best 22.
Banfield was dropped, and not in best 22.
JoM held a spot in the 22 just, another year older I don't see him improving.



I really think only JoM should be near the best 22 next year, with no injuries, but this means we either need to have no injuries, bring in 2 or 3 players which seems unlikely, or find 2 or 3 draftees who can hit the ground running, once again unlikely unless we snag a mature age player.

If can't replace them, we could take a step backwards next year, until our bottom 5 players are good enough. (Hopefully this doesn't happen)


How many games do each of them play?
Who replaces them?

Here is my shot.

Banfield 5 to 10
Fyfe - 5 to 10
Walters - 1 to 5
JoM - 15
Aish - 5

Leaves roughly 60 games to fill.

Bolton 20
Small forward - 20 games - Pickett, Berry, Richards or ... (Need to add two small forwards to the list)
NOD - 10 more games
Erasmus 10+ games - should play all games Fyfe doesn't.

I could easily see O'Meara improving, how likely that is I'm not sure.

Whatever people think of him, Fyfe was a core part of a midfield that produced elite results this year. There's no reason he couldn't replicate his role next year... maybe in a reduced minutes kind of way.

We can only hope Erasmus demands a spot by his performances. I also think it's very important to add someone like O'Driscoll to the core midfield options.

 

[wakojako]

Melb ITK reckons Kozzie 100% staying now

He is clearly open to a move but maybe not 100% committed. Having a child recently and with both parent support networks in WA, you would think he has very strong incentive to return home.

If Walls is any good at his job as list manager (not talent scout), then we should expect him and the team to prioritise Pickett (after Bolton is done) and court Pickett's family hard this September to convince them to request a trade. If he doesn't pursue him then people need to stop treating Walls as the messiah.

Also if it is true that Pickett keeps asking about a return home every year and then changing his mind, you are now a dad. People are relying on you and have expectations. It is time to make a commitment and do what's best for your family, whatever that is.

 

[oldgoat]

Why are people now acting like Pickett is off the table? Have there been any official statements or anything from journos? Or just some random poster on a forum?

Trac is staying.
Who wouldnt want to play with Trac?
Maybe Oliver has been asked where he would like to go next year?

 

[go_the_dockers]

I could easily see O'Meara improving, how likely that is I'm not sure.

Whatever people think of him, Fyfe was a core part of a midfield that produced elite results this year. There's no reason he couldn't replicate his role next year... maybe in a reduced minutes kind of way.

We can only hope Erasmus demands a spot by his performances. I also think it's very important to add someone like O'Driscoll to the core midfield options.

I doubt Fyfe is a good next year, and he has no injuries.

 

[oldgoat]

He is clearly open to a move but maybe not 100% committed. Having a child recently and with both parent support networks in WA, you would think he has very strong incentive to return home.

If Walls is any good at his job as list manager (not talent scout), then we should expect him and the team to prioritise Pickett (after Bolton is done) and court Pickett's family hard this September to convince them to request a trade. If he doesn't pursue him then people need to stop treating Walls as the messiah.

Also if it is true that Pickett keeps asking about a return home every year and then changing his mind, you are now a dad. People are relying on you and have expectations. It is time to make a commitment and do what's best for your family, whatever that is.

Walls is not the Messiah...
But he is a Very Clever Boy!

 

[Mr Cheese]

No but for real, the Pickett stuff is 100% up in the air until literally confirmed either way. To counter the Melbourne guy, someone else just told me a Demons player thinks he's gone.

No one knows, it's all guesswork at the moment

And I like your guesswork better!

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[JammoMonty]

Bolton early keeps the door open for Pickett and or Warner

I know there is a few weeks until the trade period opens, but this trade is far from finalised.

 

[greatgatsby]

And I like your guesswork better!

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I think we can get it over the line with sheer force of will.