List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Paracleet]

For in contract players that is.

 

[Big Animal]

Why not terminate JOM’s then.

cause when JOMs are in your 20-22 of your list, you're actually going to compete well in finals. The Port kids got bullied as always happens in finals intensity.

 

[Paracleet]

Of course he does. And he acknowledged in that story that his body can't do what it used to. (He threw Fyfey under the bus there, too) I am sure he'll do whatever the club requires of him after the trade dust settles. Either way he needs to at least stay on as a mentor and coach.

I was thinking as I watched the last game the Fyfe is more cooked than Sonny. Walters has slowed down and is fumbling under pressure to demonstrate he is not done. Fyfe can't even turn around, his back won't allow him. He's making late Mundy look like Nadia Comaneci.

 

[Alfonz]

Fremantle Dockers forward Michael Walters says mind ‘sharp’ as ever ahead of 17th AFL campaign

The West Australian
Fri, 6 September 2024 7:32AM
Glen Quartermain
Fremantle forward Michael Walters says he’s energised about a 17th AFL season in 2025 and still has plenty to offer alongside fellow veteran Nathan Fyfe.
Any doubts about the experienced goal sneak playing on in 2025 were put to bed by Fremantle chief executive Simon Garlic last week as he backed Walters and Fyfe to contribute plenty of value to the squad going forward.
And Walters echoed the sentiment.
“There is no secret to me getting older, but I feel like me and Fyfey roles have changed. Our bodies can’t do what they used to do, but our minds are still sharp,” Walters said.
“I feel pretty good when I am out there. I feel like I am reacting really quick.
“I feel like I am still durable. I am feeling pretty good. I am looking forward to enjoying football, getting back with the boys, training hard and see where next year can take us.” Walters, a boxing lover, was speaking at Friday’s weigh-in 24 hours out from West Australian Alex Winwood’s world title fight with Thai veteran Thammanoon Niyomtrong.
“It is something I have done for a long time, to keep me fit in the off-season and an event like this in Perth you don’t see too often, so we thought we’d come and show our support,” Walters said.
“He’s a quality fighter. For someone to have had five fights and get a world title shot is massive for the economy in Perth and showcases what the fighters can do here.”
Walters’ comments come after Garlick backed the veteran pair to play in 2025 when Walters will be 34 and Fyfe, 33, and in his 16th season.
“I think they’ll be there next year, and our intent is that they see out their contract,” Garlick told The West Australian.
“They’re contracted for next year. They provide significant value in complementing our youth, both on and off the field and at times in crucial stages on game day.”
Both players have the 250-game milestone in their sights.
Walters said he would welcome any of the speculated Richmond off-season signings, with West Australian trio Liam Baker, Shai Bolton and Jack Graham all likely to be on the move.
Baker and Bolton are contracted but Graham can shift as a free agent.
“I am not going to name those players, but everybody knows those players, and every club would be fighting to have those players, to have those quality players in their team,” Walters said.
“Those guys, especially from Richmond, are the players who have won premierships, along with Kosi Pickett.
“There is still a lot of water to go under the bridge with that. We will leave that up to the coaching staff and the guys behind the scenes to take care of that.”
Walters confirmed he had spoken with Shai Bolton.
“I have spoken to him, just like I speak to any player from Western Australia,” he said.
“Through the off-season we all get together and train. I run a boxing program in Midland so I try and jag those boys along, there is no doubt when those boys get back to Perth I will be dragging them along there.”
He said Melbourne gun Pickett and Collingwood Norm Smith medallist Bobby Hill both worked out at his Midland gym during the last off-season.
Clubs are also rumoured to be circling out-of-contract Carlton forward Jack Martin.
“Everyone knows Jack was a high draft pick who went to Gold Coast and found himself at Carlton as well, he has had a few injuries in the past, but when he is out there fully fit he is a hard player, skilful, and he shows a lot of leadership as well,” Walters said.

“Someone like that along with other boys a lot of clubs would want to have them in their team.”
Walters said boxing was a usesful training tool, but not something he would look to pick up full-time when he retired from the AFL.
“No. I can barely run these days. It’s something I enjoy but I wouldn’t have thought I’d jump in the ring. I’ve got two left hands just like I’ve got two left feet,” he said.
He said it was “hard” watching the finals after Fremantle fell just one win short of qualifying.
“Yeah it is hard. Every year is tough. We have full confidence in the way we can play and we know our game style can stand up against a quality team,” he said.
“We just have to make sure we go out there and grow our brand and there is always room to improve, room to grow as players and as a team.
“Throughout this off-season and this pre-season coming, we aim to do that, and we aim to hopefully win a premiership.
“It will be a big one. Everyone knows I am getting older, and I just want to enjoy my footy for the last couple of years.
“We have had an unbelievable year this year. Obviously, the last month wasn’t great for us, but we as a team have full faith, and the coaches have full faith in what we can do and what we can bring to the footy field. “Although we can’t be there this month going into September, we look forward to next year and the possibilities of what we can do.”

“I feel pretty good when I am out there. I feel like I am reacting really quick."
“I feel like I am still durable. I am feeling pretty good."

“No. I can barely run these days."

 

[freo1997]

I was responding to the article about Walters not going anywhere

Also JOM is not being delisted.

Maybe I’ve watched too much Peel throughout the year - Delean hasn’t impressed me at all. He is young so if necessary he could be rookie listed and yes I know that creates lifetime DFA. Im not at all fussed.

I don’t care that Walters thinks he’s going nowhere. He is too slow now and he shouldn’t be talking with the West. Feel like it’s a calculated move by him talking about 2025z

 

[theGav56]

Of course he does. And he acknowledged in that story that his body can't do what it used to. (He threw Fyfey under the bus there, too) I am sure he'll do whatever the club requires of him after the trade dust settles. Either way he needs to at least stay on as a mentor and coach.

It would be uncomfortable for me to see those two playing WAFL, but that would need to be included as potentially happening in any discussion with them about playing on.

 

[FreoRicci]

cause when JOMs are in your 20-22 of your list, you're actually going to compete well in finals. The Port kids got bullied as always happens in finals intensity.

Played one final. He shouldn’t be there next season and 2026 with development of Johnson, Erasmus, NOD, Sharp

 

[MadMundy]

O'Meara hate on here is overdone, he had a rough start to the season but he was fine for the most part.

 

[sdfc]

Played one final. He shouldn’t be there next season and 2026 with development of Johnson, Erasmus, NOD, Sharp

Johnson needs to pull his finger out.

 

[FreoRicci]

Johnson needs to pull his finger out.

Did more then season then JOM. But we’re a club of compassionate favourites. Would be the icing on top adding Jack Martin

 

[gaskin]

Johnson needs to pull his finger out.

He was putting in good performances before his injury. He has shown enough.

 

[Quay Club]

So Shai, Kosi and Martin all involved in Walters boxing last year.

All linked with us this year.

Walters clearly has written into his contract a clause that allows bonuses for talent coming in!

This adds more weight to the report that Kozzie is quoted as saying he would like to play with more indigenous players.

Maybe there is still a chance of a move.

 

[Bastyy]

So Shai, Kosi and Martin all involved in Walters boxing last year.

All linked with us this year.

Walters clearly has written into his contract a clause that allows bonuses for talent coming in!

I heard Heppell was also closely involved

 

[sdfc]

He was putting in good performances before his injury. He has shown enough.

He's a big talent and has everything you need as a footballer but too often he has one involvement in play and that's it.

Suffers from smooth-mover syndrome so it looks even worse.

 

[Eski3]

O'Meara hate on here is overdone, he had a rough start to the season but he was fine for the most part.

He was more than fine - he actually had a good season on the wing. People are just blinded by the last month of the year

 

[gaskin]

He was more than fine - he actually had a good season on the wing. People are just blinded by the last month of the year

Because as one of our experienced leaders he should have been standing up in those games. Instead he was piss poor and that is being kind. He showed he is nothing more than a downhill skier.

 

[sdfc]

Did more then season then JOM. But we’re a club of compassionate favourites. Would be the icing on top adding Jack Martin

JOM is not getting any better, Johnson can. He needs to up his work rate.

 

[sumavich]

I’m back Snuff! Haven’t had any Koolaid, but Omeara is a list clogger. He’s played approx 185 games for 1 final. He’s in the leadership group. Mitch Duncan from Trinity played in his 26th final last night.

Longmuir played 8 seasons at Freo, and played in 1 finals series.
It’s contagious

 

[eastfreo75]

JOM is not getting any better, Johnson can. He needs to up his work rate.

100%.

Plus, we have Brodie and Erasmus sitting at Peel.

We need to cut our losses and retire him and put him on the rookie list where half his wage is taken from the salary cap. Sure, he has two years on his contract, but we lease salary cap for 2026.

Same goes with Walters, and its only one year. We will save 50% of Walters for 2025.

Yes, its ruthless but its professional sport.

 

[sdfc]

100%.

Plus, we have Brodie and Erasmus sitting at Peel.

We need to cut our losses and retire him and put him on the rookie list where half his wage is taken from the salary cap. Sure, he has two years on his contract, but we lease salary cap for 2026.

Same goes with Walters, and its only one year. We will save 50% of Walters for 2025.

Yes, its ruthless but its professional sport.

JOM was ok this year. deserved his spot.

I agree Walters is gone, Still gets to the right spots but physically struggles.

 

[freo_leo29]

100%.

Plus, we have Brodie and Erasmus sitting at Peel.

We need to cut our losses and retire him and put him on the rookie list where half his wage is taken from the salary cap. Sure, he has two years on his contract, but we lease salary cap for 2026.

Same goes with Walters, and its only one year. We will save 50% of Walters for 2025.

Yes, its ruthless but its professional sport.

doesnt work like that

 

[Demon 16]

I think that's why I think it is a fake ITK. That line was unnecessary in this context. He added that line to get credibility

On SM-S918B using BigFooty.com mobile app

Hi Vimal Anand.

I come in peace.

I’ve got limited interest in drumming up something from earlier, but I just wanted to let you know that firstly, I suffer from from mental health issues personally. Nothing heavy and I’m not seeking sympathy - I have some general anxiety issues and panic disorder. I take medication but I’m functioning fine in life. It’s got a lot better as I’ve got older. Point here is that I’m very well qualified to understand and empathise with mental health issues and I think I know what is appropriate and not appropriate to put into a forum about someone else in this area.

Secondly, the ITK post that I made was related to a presentation made by a senior figure in the MFC. It was a smallish coterie style group, so I don’t think I’ve betrayed any serious trust there. I also have various friends at the club and broader AFL industry that tell me some interesting things at times and I assure you they don’t all make it onto bigfooty.

The simple fact is that Angus Brayshaw is pretty flat about his career ending and the head knocks have affected him too. I don't think he’d be upset with people understanding that.

Thanks to Scythe94 for the kind words about my posting history too whilst I’m here.

All the best.

 

[FreoRicci]

He was more than fine - he actually had a good season on the wing. People are just blinded by the last month of the year

Just admit Hawthorn wanted a young ruck and needed to dump list/salary of their older players.
Why you think they also traded Mitchell too?
Perfectly fine without them these days.
Would love to know who initiated JOM to Fremantle.. did Hawthorn offer?
Because this club got absolute sucked in. 4 ****ing years of a player that isn’t designed for today’s game.
Instead we gifted Meek on the pretence that a ‘elite, experienced’ player was coming back.

 

[Demon 16]

Good on you for standing up for a mate and I don't know Demon 16 at all but in general I would say if you hear/know that someone is not going well from a mental health POV it is not wise to spread the news. I don't see how it helps anyone but I can see how easily it could add to someone's pain if they are already vulnerable.

Hi DocT.

See my post above. I hope this provides a bit of comfort that my post wasn’t intended as nefarious in any way whatsoever.

 

[s_wd6]

Just admit Hawthorn wanted a young ruck and needed to dump list/salary of their older players.
Why you think they also traded Mitchell too?
Perfectly fine without them these days.
Would love to know who initiated JOM to Fremantle.. did Hawthorn offer?
Because this club got absolute sucked in. 4 ****ing years of a player that isn’t designed for today’s game.
Instead we gifted Meek on the pretence that a ‘elite, experienced’ player was coming back.

Meek was always going to Hawks. JOM or no JOM. He would’ve gone for a third rounder that we wouldn’t have used anyway.

Hawks had to offload them because they ****ed up their rebuild way earlier by bringing them in.