Position 2024 Midfielders

[RoughysMullet]

Make your mind up mate

 

[mochacinolatte]

"Usually I like to pick a pod to make the game more interesting. Adam Cerra has an upward trend and with natural improvement/development with Walsh and Bless my his Docherty going down its basically Cripps/Cerra sharing the pill for the next 2-3weeks. Can see him average 115 this year." yy y yy y y y y yy y y

 

[Guardian Hawk]

I've had Bontempelli locked in all preseason at M1 but as silly as it sounds, I still have my doubts.

As good as he has been, his average of 130 last season was a 'career year' and is an outlier. Before that he averaged 115/116 for 3 of the previous 4 years, with a previous best season of 120.

There are lots of other premium mids who consistently average 115/116 who are at least 80-100K cheaper (as Bont will soon be).

On top of that, no one since GAJ has ever backed up that level before.

In 2022, the top scorer for the season was Laird (128). He dropped to 117 in 2023.
In 2021, the top scorer was Macrae (129). He dropped to 115 the following year (and further last year).
In 2020, the top scorer was Gawn (140). He dropped to 121 the following year (Neale was the top mid at 134 - he dropped to 100).
In 2019, the top scorer was Grundy (130). He dropped to 121 the following year
In 2018, the top scorer was Tom Mitchell (130). He didn't play again in 2019 but averaged 113 in 2020.

On and on it goes. In short, I think he will revert to his 'regular' scores, making him 80-100K overpriced and available for cheaper later. Yes, he's still going to be a top 8 mid, is a captaincy option and doesn't miss games so isn't a bad pick but it seems funny to worry about value everywhere else and then willing overspend when you can probably get the same ave from one of the 600K options rather than a $725K option.

 

[BuckleysBrigade]

I've had Bontempelli locked in all preseason at M1 but as silly as it sounds, I still have my doubts.

As good as he has been, his average of 130 last season was a 'career year' and is an outlier. Before that he averaged 115/116 for 3 of the previous 4 years, with a previous best season of 120.

There are lots of other premium mids who consistently average 115/116 who are at least 80-100K cheaper (as Bont will soon be).

On top of that, no one since GAJ has ever backed up that level before.

In 2022, the top scorer for the season was Laird (128). He dropped to 117 in 2023.
In 2021, the top scorer was Macrae (129). He dropped to 115 the following year (and further last year).
In 2020, the top scorer was Gawn (140). He dropped to 121 the following year (Neale was the top mid at 134 - he dropped to 100).
In 2019, the top scorer was Grundy (130). He dropped to 121 the following year
In 2018, the top scorer was Tom Mitchell (130). He didn't play again in 2019 but averaged 113 in 2020.

On and on it goes. In short, I think he will revert to his 'regular' scores, making him 80-100K overpriced and available for cheaper later. Yes, he's still going to be a top 8 mid, is a captaincy option and doesn't miss games so isn't a bad pick but it seems funny to worry about value everywhere else and then willing overspend when you can probably get the same ave from one of the 600K options rather than a $725K option.

Yeah nah good call.

But the captaincy certainty and durability is stronger with him than most of those in the 110 bracket, which adds to his allure. That and his strong Mediterranean features.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

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"Usually I like to pick a pod to make the game more interesting. Adam Cerra has an upward trend and with natural improvement/development with Walsh and Bless my his Docherty going down its basically Cripps/Cerra sharing the pill for the next 2-3weeks. Can see him average 115 this year." yy y yy y y y y yy y y

Doesn't the CARL injuries open up an opportunity for George H ?

 

[mochacinolatte]

Doesn't the CARL injuries open up an opportunity for George H ?

Fair point, but I think there are probably games we will go to him as more a defensive mid.

 

[toxic]

I've had Bontempelli locked in all preseason at M1 but as silly as it sounds, I still have my doubts.

As good as he has been, his average of 130 last season was a 'career year' and is an outlier. Before that he averaged 115/116 for 3 of the previous 4 years, with a previous best season of 120.

There are lots of other premium mids who consistently average 115/116 who are at least 80-100K cheaper (as Bont will soon be).

On top of that, no one since GAJ has ever backed up that level before.

In 2022, the top scorer for the season was Laird (128). He dropped to 117 in 2023.
In 2021, the top scorer was Macrae (129). He dropped to 115 the following year (and further last year).
In 2020, the top scorer was Gawn (140). He dropped to 121 the following year (Neale was the top mid at 134 - he dropped to 100).
In 2019, the top scorer was Grundy (130). He dropped to 121 the following year
In 2018, the top scorer was Tom Mitchell (130). He didn't play again in 2019 but averaged 113 in 2020.

On and on it goes. In short, I think he will revert to his 'regular' scores, making him 80-100K overpriced and available for cheaper later. Yes, he's still going to be a top 8 mid, is a captaincy option and doesn't miss games so isn't a bad pick but it seems funny to worry about value everywhere else and then willing overspend when you can probably get the same ave from one of the 600K options rather than a $725K option.

Do you have English?

Captain Rule - always start with a top line Captain option

 

[Jack Lindon]

I've had Bontempelli locked in all preseason at M1 but as silly as it sounds, I still have my doubts.

As good as he has been, his average of 130 last season was a 'career year' and is an outlier. Before that he averaged 115/116 for 3 of the previous 4 years, with a previous best season of 120.

There are lots of other premium mids who consistently average 115/116 who are at least 80-100K cheaper (as Bont will soon be).

On top of that, no one since GAJ has ever backed up that level before.

In 2022, the top scorer for the season was Laird (128). He dropped to 117 in 2023.
In 2021, the top scorer was Macrae (129). He dropped to 115 the following year (and further last year).
In 2020, the top scorer was Gawn (140). He dropped to 121 the following year (Neale was the top mid at 134 - he dropped to 100).
In 2019, the top scorer was Grundy (130). He dropped to 121 the following year
In 2018, the top scorer was Tom Mitchell (130). He didn't play again in 2019 but averaged 113 in 2020.

On and on it goes. In short, I think he will revert to his 'regular' scores, making him 80-100K overpriced and available for cheaper later. Yes, he's still going to be a top 8 mid, is a captaincy option and doesn't miss games so isn't a bad pick but it seems funny to worry about value everywhere else and then willing overspend when you can probably get the same ave from one of the 600K options rather than a $725K option.

Grundy averaged back to back SC 130's in 2018 & 2019

 

[TempletonTheRat]

I've had Bontempelli locked in all preseason at M1 but as silly as it sounds, I still have my doubts.

As good as he has been, his average of 130 last season was a 'career year' and is an outlier. Before that he averaged 115/116 for 3 of the previous 4 years, with a previous best season of 120.

There are lots of other premium mids who consistently average 115/116 who are at least 80-100K cheaper (as Bont will soon be).

On top of that, no one since GAJ has ever backed up that level before.

In 2022, the top scorer for the season was Laird (128). He dropped to 117 in 2023.
In 2021, the top scorer was Macrae (129). He dropped to 115 the following year (and further last year).
In 2020, the top scorer was Gawn (140). He dropped to 121 the following year (Neale was the top mid at 134 - he dropped to 100).
In 2019, the top scorer was Grundy (130). He dropped to 121 the following year
In 2018, the top scorer was Tom Mitchell (130). He didn't play again in 2019 but averaged 113 in 2020.

On and on it goes. In short, I think he will revert to his 'regular' scores, making him 80-100K overpriced and available for cheaper later. Yes, he's still going to be a top 8 mid, is a captaincy option and doesn't miss games so isn't a bad pick but it seems funny to worry about value everywhere else and then willing overspend when you can probably get the same ave from one of the 600K options rather than a $725K option.

 

[King Max]

I've had Bontempelli locked in all preseason at M1 but as silly as it sounds, I still have my doubts.

As good as he has been, his average of 130 last season was a 'career year' and is an outlier. Before that he averaged 115/116 for 3 of the previous 4 years, with a previous best season of 120.

There are lots of other premium mids who consistently average 115/116 who are at least 80-100K cheaper (as Bont will soon be).

On top of that, no one since GAJ has ever backed up that level before.

In 2022, the top scorer for the season was Laird (128). He dropped to 117 in 2023.
In 2021, the top scorer was Macrae (129). He dropped to 115 the following year (and further last year).
In 2020, the top scorer was Gawn (140). He dropped to 121 the following year (Neale was the top mid at 134 - he dropped to 100).
In 2019, the top scorer was Grundy (130). He dropped to 121 the following year
In 2018, the top scorer was Tom Mitchell (130). He didn't play again in 2019 but averaged 113 in 2020.

On and on it goes. In short, I think he will revert to his 'regular' scores, making him 80-100K overpriced and available for cheaper later. Yes, he's still going to be a top 8 mid, is a captaincy option and doesn't miss games so isn't a bad pick but it seems funny to worry about value everywhere else and then willing overspend when you can probably get the same ave from one of the 600K options rather than a $725K option.

The problem is getting him into your team during the year. All stars need to align, eg rookies fatten up, Bonts dropped in price etc. You need him the finals.
My hate every weekend would be seeing my opponent with the VC or C on him.
I don’t like watching the footy from behind my couch. Lock and load and throw away your worries.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

The problem is getting him into your team during the year. All stars need to align, eg rookies fatten up, Bonts dropped in price etc. You need him the finals.
My hate every weekend would be seeing my opponent with the VC or C on him.
I don’t like watching the footy from behind my couch. Lock and load and throw away your worries.

I definitely get what you mean but the same applies to any of the gun 600k+ mids. If he averages what he usually does (116), then his scoring and cost is no different to the other premo mids doing the same thing (aside from being pricier at the beginning but regressing to the mean).

The narrative of his scoring and cost being on a different level/prohibitive is really only based on last year (with that being untrue for every other year of his career). He could produce that level again of course but history says it is unlikely.

 

[54Dogs]

I definitely get what you mean but the same applies to any of the gun 600k+ mids. If he averages what he usually does (116), then his scoring and cost is no different to the other premo mids doing the same thing (aside from being pricier at the beginning but regressing to the mean).

The narrative of his scoring and cost being on a different level/prohibitive is really only based on last year (with that being untrue for every other year of his career). He could produce that level again of course but history says it is unlikely.

It's a very fair and valid point, I think there's a 90% chance he regresses from last yrs average, with the English improvement last yr and more time back in the middle in an almost brownlow yr it was prob max Bont. English is at his peak currently and Bont close to it, I would think somewhere between 120-125 is not unreasonable.

So you pay an upfront premium but what you get for the price is a safe C option, no double bye, elite durability and a player who will highly likely be top 3 in their line. The final benefit by taking him is you don't have to death ride a player 50% owned or force him in at a premium price mid yr because you paid the premium upfront. You can pick off other value options to finish the midfield.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

It's a very fair and valid point, I think there's a 90% chance he regresses from last yrs average but with the English improvement last yr and more time back in the middle in an almost brownlow yr it was prob max Bont. English is at his peak currently and Bont close to it, I would think somewhere between 120-125 is not unreasonable.

So you pay an upfront premium but what you get for the price is a safe C option, no double bye, elite durability and a player who will highly likely be top 3 in their line. The final benefit by taking him is you don't have to death ride a player 50% owned or force him in at a premium price mid yr because you paid the premium upfront. You can pick off other value options to finish the midfield.

Yep, in many ways it's safer to 'overpay' and have a set and forget captaincy candidate. It really depends on what you plan to do with the 100K odd if you do deviate. If it enables a meaningful upgrade elsewhere you may end up better off. If not, you may as well have the Rolls Royce from the start (even if it costs the 'brand new' premium). FWIW, he's still my M1 at the moment.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Another player I'm keen to discuss is Andrew Brayshaw

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Andrew Brayshaw

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.3

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

2.1

4star

D

18.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

3.1

4star

D

12.6

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

.

He's in his prime, had been improving every year up until his MVP in 2022, when he averaged 112. Last year, he still averaged 109. However, I recall his early season form being questioned and it was revealed he was struggling with a knee issue. He came out before the Hawthorn game in Round 8 and said he has had some work done on it and has now gotten it right. Up to that point, he was averaging 91. He came out and smashed 149 and went on to average 117 for the rest of the season (across 16 rounds).

With this, one less bye, good durability (missed 2 games in the last 5 years) and my expectation that Freo will improve a bit, I brought him into M3 with some confidence (despite seeing him in no other teams).

I, however, saw a recent post on here suggesting that with Young (and Fyfe) being afforded more mid time, he is being moved out to the wing and will be getting less CBA's? I don't know anything about the midfield dynamics at Freo but can anyone confirm? Cos I definitely am not interested in paying $600K for a guy stuck on the wing, as good as he is.

(I would have thought you'd move out someone like O'Meara instead - even if he can't play other positions as well)

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Jack Carroll M1. Walsh is fekd

 

[Scythe94]

Another player I'm keen to discuss is Andrew Brayshaw.

He's in his prime, had been improving every year up until his MVP in 2022, when he averaged 112. Last year, he still averaged 109. However, I recall his early season form being questioned and it was revealed he was struggling with a knee issue. He came out before the Hawthorn game in Round 8 and said he has had some work done on it and has now gotten it right. Up to that point, he was averaging 91. He came out and smashed 149 and went on to average 117 for the rest of the season (across 16 rounds).

With this, one less bye, good durability (missed 2 games in the last 5 years) and my expectation that Freo will improve a bit, I brought him into M3 with some confidence (despite seeing him in no other teams).

I, however, saw a recent post on here suggesting that with Young (and Fyfe) being afforded more mid time, he is being moved out to the wing and will be getting less CBA's? I don't know anything about the midfield dynamics at Freo but can anyone confirm? Cos I definitely am not interested in paying $600K for a guy stuck on the wing, as good as he is.

(I would have thought you'd move out someone like O'Meara instead - even if he can't play other positions as well)

Everything I've heard is suggesting that he'll definitely play more wing this year. Seems like Serong and Young are options one and two, then Fyfe, Brayshaw and to a lesser extent O'Meara will split the bulk of the other minutes. Brayshaw was the fourth highest Freo mid for CBAs in the preseason game.

So he'll definitely rotate in, but think his CBAs will drop. Agree that it's an odd decision as he's not overly quick or a very good ball user. Could be one of those things that's tried for a couple of weeks then abandoned.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Everything I've heard is suggesting that he'll definitely play more wing this year. Seems like Serong and Young are options one and two, then Fyfe, Brayshaw and to a lesser extent O'Meara will split the bulk of the other minutes. Brayshaw was the fourth highest Freo mid for CBAs in the preseason game.

So he'll definitely rotate in, but think his CBAs will drop. Agree that it's an odd decision as he's not overly quick or a very good ball user. Could be one of those things that's tried for a couple of weeks then abandoned.

Thanks a lot mate (quality as usual) - not worth the risk then given the options available at that price.

 

[Scythe94]

Thanks a lot mate (quality as usual) - not worth the risk then given the options available at that price.

Yeah agree. If you're maxed out cash wise, I really like Rozee for a similar spend with Port's early draw.

 

[JDWCE]

Jack Carroll M1. Walsh is fekd

Can you elaborate?

 

[TempletonTheRat]

Another player I'm keen to discuss is Andrew Brayshaw.

He's in his prime, had been improving every year up until his MVP in 2022, when he averaged 112. Last year, he still averaged 109. However, I recall his early season form being questioned and it was revealed he was struggling with a knee issue. He came out before the Hawthorn game in Round 8 and said he has had some work done on it and has now gotten it right. Up to that point, he was averaging 91. He came out and smashed 149 and went on to average 117 for the rest of the season (across 16 rounds).

With this, one less bye, good durability (missed 2 games in the last 5 years) and my expectation that Freo will improve a bit, I brought him into M3 with some confidence (despite seeing him in no other teams).

I, however, saw a recent post on here suggesting that with Young (and Fyfe) being afforded more mid time, he is being moved out to the wing and will be getting less CBA's? I don't know anything about the midfield dynamics at Freo but can anyone confirm? Cos I definitely am not interested in paying $600K for a guy stuck on the wing, as good as he is.

(I would have thought you'd move out someone like O'Meara instead - even if he can't play other positions as well)

had him in my initial team at M4 for the reasons you outlined - he came out after considering the potential impact of Fyfe and Young. It also allowed me better team structure.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Can you elaborate?

Docherty also gone for the year. Suspect Carroll's job security just went through the roof.

 

[DaTBird187]

No LDU love?

No, but plenty of UDL love.

 

[DaTBird187]

Never trust small eyes.

 

[VeinGlorious]

Doesn't the CARL injuries open up an opportunity for George H ?

Shush, Wayne.

 

[iDon]

If you were to pick one of the folowing, who you going with;

Crouch / Martin / Yeo / Wines