VFL 2024 Swans Reserves

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[Kiama Chris]

I understand that all 44 players on the list are rarely if ever all available for selection, but if you take a feasible senior 22 (23) when Mills is fit of ...

Rampe - Hamling - Lloyd
Blakey - McCartin - Florent
Gulden - Adams - Campbell
Heeney - McDonald - Parker
Papley - Amartey - Hayward
Grundy - Ch. Warner - Mills
I/C: Cunningham - McInerney - Rombottom - McLean - Sub: Fox

If the reserves play the day or two after the seniors and the sub (Fox) only got a few minutes and backs up in the 2nds, it means a huuuuuge team ...

Vickery - Melican - Edwards
Arnold - Francis - Fox
Mitchell - Cleary - Jordon
Co. Warner - Reid - McAndrew
Konstanty - Buller - Wicks
Ladhams - Sheldrick - Roberts
I/C: Snell - Green - Magor - Kirk

That's a whole lot of big boppers in a 22.

EDIT: 10 out of the 22 that could be classed as ruck/KPD/KPF size.

It has been noted previously. Hopefully our VFL listed players will make up the shortfall (pun intended). It also provides the opportunity to play youngsters like Snell and Green on managed minutes as neither have played much against mature bodies.
It will also be interesting to see if Ladhams rucks.

 

[rustycrate]

It has been noted previously. Hopefully our VFL listed players will make up the shortfall (pun intended). It also provides the opportunity to play youngsters like Snell and Green on managed minutes as neither have played much against mature bodies.
It will also be interesting to see if Ladhams rucks.

I expect they will play Ladhams forward. Occasionally rucking. That will be his role in the ones I imagine. If he gets a gig. Gives ruck time to our two developing promising rucks. I think Mclean is the one player that will keep him out of the ones. McLean is such .......I have no words to describe how amazed I am about how hard he has tried and far exceeeded (I included an extra e) my estimations of his ability to constantly deliver on game day. Makes you proud to be a Swans supporter when players of seemingly limited ability continue to make your expectations look dumb and they go out and play so well.

 

[bedford]

I expect they will play Ladhams forward. Occasionally rucking. That will be his role in the ones I imagine. If he gets a gig. Gives ruck time to our two developing promising rucks. I think Mclean is the one player that will keep him out of the ones. McLean is such .......I have no words to describe how amazed I am about how hard he has tried and far exceeeded (I included an extra e) my estimations of his ability to constantly deliver on game day. Makes you proud to be a Swans supporter when players of seemingly limited ability continue to make your expectations look dumb and they go out and play so well.

Great post , but will never be convinced on Ladhams till he pulls his head in

 

[Kiama Chris]

I expect they will play Ladhams forward. Occasionally rucking. That will be his role in the ones I imagine. If he gets a gig. Gives ruck time to our two developing promising rucks. I think Mclean is the one player that will keep him out of the ones. McLean is such .......I have no words to describe how amazed I am about how hard he has tried and far exceeeded (I included an extra e) my estimations of his ability to constantly deliver on game day. Makes you proud to be a Swans supporter when players of seemingly limited ability continue to make your expectations look dumb and they go out and play so well.

Exactly. Ladhams will need the match fitness so maybe a roaming role around CHF with ruck cut-out duties. Stretch 3 quarters as first ruck and Will later in the game or against the second ruck.
It may test Ladhams' equanimity.

 

[Wheresbuddy]

I understand that all 44 players on the list are rarely if ever all available for selection, but if you take a feasible senior 22 (23) when Mills is fit of ...

Rampe - Hamling - Lloyd
Blakey - McCartin - Florent
Gulden - Adams - Campbell
Heeney - McDonald - Parker
Papley - Amartey - Hayward
Grundy - Ch. Warner - Mills
I/C: Cunningham - McInerney - Rowbottom - McLean - Sub: Fox

If the reserves play the day or two after the seniors and the sub (Fox) only got a few minutes and backs up in the 2nds, it means a huuuuuge team ...

Vickery - Melican - Edwards
Arnold - Francis - Fox
Mitchell - Cleary - Jordon
Co. Warner - Reid - McAndrew
Konstanty - Buller - Wicks
Ladhams - Sheldrick - Roberts
I/C: Snell - Green - Magor - Kirk

That's a whole lot of big boppers in a 22.

EDIT: 10 out of the 22 that could be classed as ruck/KPD/KPF size.

We potentially have Green, McAndrew, Ladhams, Buller, Reid / Amartey to squeeze into the ruck / key forward positions. What it does is it makes us too slow and disrupts our structure. This flows on to the rest of the team, making it hard for them to gain any fluency. We saw this happen last year when we had all rucks available.

 

[liz]

We potentially have Green, McAndrew, Ladhams, Buller, Reid / Amartey to squeeze into the ruck / key forward positions. What it does is it makes us too slow and disrupts our structure. This flows on to the rest of the team, making it hard for them to gain any fluency. We saw this happen last year when we had all rucks available.

Given there were times last year when we barely had anyone over six foot in either our AFL or VFL sides, I’m not going to lose any sleep over the possibility of our VFL side being a tad cumbersome if we happen to have most of them fit at the same time.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Given there were times last year when we barely had anyone over six foot in either our AFL or VFL sides, I’m not going to lose any sleep over the possibility of our VFL side being a tad cumbersome if we happen to have most of them fit at the same time.

I've said before that the opportunity to play Snell and Green lower % TOG as they develop may be a blessing as neither have played much against mature bodies.

 

[Wheresbuddy]

Given there were times last year when we barely had anyone over six foot in either our AFL or VFL sides, I’m not going to lose any sleep over the possibility of our VFL side being a tad cumbersome if we happen to have most of them fit at the same time.

I take your point. To expand on mine, if all talls are available and we are obliged to play them all across AFL / VFL for the bulk of the season, it will stymie the development of other players. But you're correct in that we have had alot of injuries amongst our talls so can understand why the club has loaded up on the tall timber.

 

[Kiama Chris]

I take your point. To expand on mine, if all talls are available and we are obliged to play them all across AFL / VFL for the bulk of the season, it will stymie the development of other players. But you're correct in that we have had alot of injuries amongst our talls so can understand why the club has loaded up on the tall timber.

Also supposedly the 2024 draft is good for mids. Sure, we've heard that before! But my tip is we'll lose 2KPD's and rebalance. In the meantime use the VFL players and % TOG to keep things rolling.

 

[Millky95]

Hey if all the talls are fit and playing might mean they learn how to not all fly for the same ball

 

[rustycrate]

Also supposedly the 2024 draft is good for mids. Sure, we've heard that before! But my tip is we'll lose 2KPD's and rebalance. In the meantime use the VFL players and % TOG to keep things rolling.

Yep. I looked on RookieMeCentral and I think 14 of the top 20 draft picks were mids. Some more are hybrids too. It is a this stage Mid heavy.

 

[Del198236]

I take your point. To expand on mine, if all talls are available and we are obliged to play them all across AFL / VFL for the bulk of the season, it will stymie the development of other players. But you're correct in that we have had alot of injuries amongst our talls so can understand why the club has loaded up on the tall timber.

Number of players on team lists over 190cm
Crows - 19
Lions - 17
Carlton - 17
Pies - 18
Bombers - 21
Freo - 22
Giants - 17
Cats - 17
Suns - 17
Hawks - 18
melbourne - 17
north - 14
Port - 18
Tgers - 16
Saints - 20
Swans - 16
Eagles - 19
dogs - 19

I dont reckon our talls will stymie the development of other players.. All other lists (except north) have more than we do.

 

[SydneyBlood]

Number of players on team lists over 190cm
Crows - 19
Lions - 17
Carlton - 17
Pies - 18
Bombers - 21
Freo - 22
Giants - 17
Cats - 17
Suns - 17
Hawks - 18
melbourne - 17
north - 14
Port - 18
Tgers - 16
Saints - 20
Swans - 16
Eagles - 19
dogs - 19

I dont reckon our talls will stymie the development of other players.. All other lists (except north) have more than we do.

Not sure how easy it might be to do but if you did the same starting at 194 cm's and up would be curious how that changes it.

 

[Del198236]

Not sure how easy it might be to do but if you did the same starting at 194 cm's and up would be curious how that changes it.

Number of players on team lists over 194cm
Crows - 11
Lions - 11
Carlton - 11
Pies - 11
Bombers - 13
Freo - 14
Giants - 12
Cats - 11
Suns - 13
Hawks - 13
melbourne - 12
north - 11
Port - 13
Tgers - 13
Saints - 12
Swans - 14
Eagles - 10
dogs - 12

yep, changes things a fair bit.. The Swans numbers dont include McCartin and Francis, But does include, Snell, Green, Buller, Edwards - all of whom are very much developing players
Other lists had truckloads of 192-193cm players
Regardless, I dont reckon our list is too tall.
4 x rucks (2 developing + Ladhams).. Definitely not too many
5 x tall forwards - Buller, Amartey, McLean, Logan, Reid (arguably 4 developing + an injury prone Reid).. again not too many
7 x tall defenders - McCartin, Francis, Arnold, Melican, Snell, Edwards, Hamling (a couple won't be on the list in 2025)

Theses numbers are supplied by Footywire. A pretty good resource

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

I see Melican, Ladhams and Reid are depth players for the seconds.

Chortle.

 

[bedford]

VFL season will have the same 21 teams playing 18 rounds , with a bye for all on the gather round weekend with the SANFL playing the VFL somewhere in SA .
The standalones will play each other twice .
Port Melbourne to be the big improver .

 

[WillHayward]

I understand that all 44 players on the list are rarely if ever all available for selection, but if you take a feasible senior 22 (23) when Mills is fit of ...

Rampe - Hamling - Lloyd
Blakey - McCartin - Florent
Gulden - Adams - Campbell
Heeney - McDonald - Parker
Papley - Amartey - Hayward
Grundy - Ch. Warner - Mills
I/C: Cunningham - McInerney - Rowbottom - McLean - Sub: Fox

If the reserves play the day or two after the seniors and the sub (Fox) only got a few minutes and backs up in the 2nds, it means a huuuuuge team ...

Vickery - Melican - Edwards
Arnold - Francis - Fox
Mitchell - Cleary - Jordon
Co. Warner - Reid - McAndrew
Konstanty - Buller - Wicks
Ladhams - Sheldrick - Roberts
I/C: Snell - Green - Magor - Kirk

That's a whole lot of big boppers in a 22.

EDIT: 10 out of the 22 that could be classed as ruck/KPD/KPF size.

Reid never plays
Ladhams never plays

But agree. Out list has gone from too short to too tall in the last 6 months

Grundy, Buller, Arnold, Hamling and Green have really added depth to our tall stocks. Then we kept Reid on as well.

 

[bedford]

Reid never plays
Ladhams never plays

But agree. Out list has gone from too short to too tall in the last 6 months

Buller, Arnold, Hamling and Green have really added depth to our tall stocks. Then we kept Reid on as well.

So

 

[Kiama Chris]

Reid never plays
Ladhams never plays

But agree. Out list has gone from too short to too tall in the last 6 months

Buller, Arnold, Hamling and Green have really added depth to our tall stocks. Then we kept Reid on as well.

It's much easier to fill out the reserves with medium or small VFL listed players. We'll be fine.

 

[Bloods86]

But agree. Out list has gone from too short to too tall in the last 6 months [emoji50]

Good. This is for good reason. All of our KPD stocks have question marks over reliability/fitness or quality. Similar with the 2 rucks that would be backup if Grundy went down. Similar for the forward line, where we have 2 mostly reliable (in terms of fitness) KPFs, 1 who struggles with playing out games or getting runs of games, 1 who has played 1 game, and Reid who may not even play / won't be around in a year.

If we had quality and reliability in the "talls" then it'd be different. But we don't, so need to increase our chances of having functional KPPs at senior and reserves level.

We've only gone with 1 extra tall over our numbers in 2023 anyway. We lost 2 KPDs (Paddy, Gould), got 3 in (Arnold via MSD, Hamling, Snell). We lost 2 rucks (Hickey, Owen), got 2 rucks (Grundy, Green). Lost a KPF (Buddy), got a KPF (Buller via MSD).

 

[mtooler]

I expect they will play Ladhams forward. Occasionally rucking. That will be his role in the ones I imagine. If he gets a gig. Gives ruck time to our two developing promising rucks. I think Mclean is the one player that will keep him out of the ones. McLean is such .......I have no words to describe how amazed I am about how hard he has tried and far exceeeded (I included an extra e) my estimations of his ability to constantly deliver on game day. Makes you proud to be a Swans supporter when players of seemingly limited ability continue to make your expectations look dumb and they go out and play so well.

He definitely over delivered on exposed form coming into 2023 I reckon, pleasantly surprised and he looks to be our actual number 1 forward ahead of McDonald.

 

[Kiama Chris]

He definitely over delivered on exposed form coming into 2023 I reckon, pleasantly surprised and he looks to be our actual number 1 forward ahead of McDonald.

I think McLean, Amartey and McDonald are complementary. Buller too, come to that.
McDonald plays more the roaming CHF kind of role where the other three more play from the square. BUT with his superior tank, McLean plays up to the wing to take exit marks while Amartey can remain a target in the forward half. Individually they don't match Buddy of course but together there is the possibility that they can produce the same outcome. Buller will be pushing for Amartey's spot I think, though if McLean was injured he would be a very natural replacement.
Very optimistic about this group.

 

[mtooler]

I think McLean, Amartey and McDonald are complementary. Buller too, come to that.
McDonald plays more the roaming CHF kind of role where the other three more play from the square. BUT with his superior tank, McLean plays up to the wing to take exit marks while Amartey can remain a target in the forward half. Individually they don't match Buddy of course but together there is the possibility that they can produce the same outcome. Buller will be pushing for Amartey's spot I think, though if McLean was injured he would be a very natural replacement.
Very optimistic about this group.

I haven't seen any of Buller beyond that one game so will take your word for it.

McDonald should be the roaming forward pressing up, just hasn't consistently materialised due to Ried and Buddy, but I also think that is his go.

Amerty when he doesn't drift out of games seems quite happy to crash packs, happy to see McLean doing more of that as the year progressed.

As long as our talls can bring it to ground like Mccartin used to, if you remember those early days where we chided Longmire abit for his role being to bring it to ground, our smalls are quite strong.

Our tall forwards are our only question mark, I think our defenders will be OK. Even Ladhams and Reid could feature in 2024, could be fascinating up front.

 

[mtooler]

It's much easier to fill out the reserves with medium or small VFL listed players. We'll be fine.

Yes totally! Smalls that can hold their own is the easy part.

 

[WillHayward]

So

I wasnt complaining!

Just notable as a point of interest.

Talls depth is good. We now have heaps.