List Mgmt. 2025 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Kbroome]

Yes mate not going to argue any of that. I've included him as potentially best 22 because we haven't seen him yet so potentially could leapfrog some. Equally he could be a flop and delist at contract expiry.
I didn't bother listing Snell, Edwards etc as they have had time to make the 22 but haven't (previous seasons more so than this one I admit). You are supporting my point anyway

Absolutely laughable, especially considering that Snell without injury would be in the Swans AFL side.

Do you actually watch the VFL?

Its clear by your posts that you don't actually understand player development either

 

[Caj]

Injuries are obviously and issue with our depth but you can’t deny our non academy drafting has been diabolically poor over the last 5 years and that is impacting too

 

[Punts]

Campbell is just an afl player

He won’t change despite some saying he has been played out of position he entire career


Bloke just not that good unfortunately

 

[killablood]

Absolutely laughable, especially considering that Snell without injury would be in the Swans AFL side.

Do you actually watch the VFL?

Its clear by your posts that you don't actually understand player development either

Yes I clearly don't understand how player development works.
I was under the impression that the ranking/rating of players was fluid.
Apparently the development of each player is linear and there is never any change to the supposed order. News to me, thanks for the education.

 

[Kbroome]

Yes I clearly don't understand how player development works.
I was under the impression that the ranking/rating of players was fluid.
Apparently the development of each player is linear and there is never any change to the supposed order. News to me, thanks for the education.

Don't ever put words in my mouth

Never did I say that development was linear, not ONCE.

I also know that there is something called probably and calling Riak Andrew a best 22 prospect over the likes of Snell and Edwards is a bloody pipe dream given the set of circumstances.

Lets sort the facts out

Snell has played pretty damn well at VFL level for the last year or so and has been unlucky because of injuries to not debut yet. He is obviously well ahead of Andrews physically, match fitness and in terms of ability

Andrew has had been out the whole of 2022, faced injuries in 2023 and 2024 alongside a current AC joint injury which has seen him out for 10 weeks so far with a further 4 weeks out before he is a test to return to the VFL. Which would leave him with like 9-10 games to play in 2025.

Andrew could come from the clouds and showcase he is able but the probably of that I would say is less than 1% given Snell and Edwards being "fitter" and ahead in their development alongside Andrews LT injury problems of the past 4-5 years.

Add to this the historical data of KPDs development taking 2-3 years in the VFL. Look at Zach Reid (same draft class as Errol) Lewis Hayes is about to turn 21 and he just debuted for the Bombers. Jedd Busslinger debuted this year after like 3 years in the VFL.

There are 4 KPDs in the AFL that play reguarly under the age of 23

 

[TasSixer]

Campbell is just an afl player

He won’t change despite some saying he has been played out of position he entire career


Bloke just not that good unfortunately

he's just an okay player, not sure he'll ever be more than that. Would probably benefit a lot in a good team. Which we currently aren't.

 

[Wheresbuddy]

he's just an okay player, not sure he'll ever be more than that. Would probably benefit a lot in a good team. Which we currently aren't.

He has a crack though but just is lacking that the footy IQ and 1-2% in execution to be really good.

 

[GreyGooseGuy88]

Campbell is just an afl player

He won’t change despite some saying he has been played out of position he entire career


Bloke just not that good unfortunately

He's also a confidence player, when we are up and about he lifts and plays well weekly, but when we are down can be very inconsistent.

I've liked his hardness and competitiveness this year at least.

 

[Jeffers]

I would hope there is a big cull of this list at the end of the year. Too many average youngsters/list cloggers.
I would say the list needs a big reset because it’s unbalanced too

 

[Punts]

I would hope there is a big cull of this list at the end of the year. Too many average youngsters/list cloggers.
I would say the list needs a big reset because it’s unbalanced too

Many on here thought it was a dynasty list

Looks average atm and treading downwards

 

[joeykanga]

Campbell is just an afl player

He won’t change despite some saying he has been played out of position he entire career


Bloke just not that good unfortunately

Your post is not that good. Out of yesterdays effort I would select Wicks, Cleary and Campbell way in front of lots of others.

 

[Wheresbuddy]

Many on here thought it was a dynasty list

Looks average atm and treading downwards

Im not as down on the list. Top end talent is there. Next level is not stepping up. Leadership seems poor. Perhaps Cox is too close to the group and not delivering home truths?

 

[Kbroome]

Many on here thought it was a dynasty list

Looks average atm and treading downwards

Think a lot new of the underlying talent but just expected the development of the guys from 20-22 year olds and we just haven't.

Soft underbelly of the list is showing its true colours

 

[GreyGooseGuy88]

I would hope there is a big cull of this list at the end of the year. Too many average youngsters/list cloggers.
I would say the list needs a big reset because it’s unbalanced too

That squad yesterday was good enough to beat the Bombers, but they made us look old, slow, lacking skill, borderline uncompetitive. That is my real worry.

Adams, Fox, Cunningham, Mills, Papley, Amartey - we can't expect too much from these guys when they return. Have missed large chunks of the season and fitness will take time to build up again. Put a fork through 2025. Play for a decent draft pick, try out some kids, Edwards, Snell, Hanily, Mitchell, Bowman. Give Ladhams a few full games rucking.

Pick the best talent in the draft, if that means overlooking a academy kid then so be it. Need to get spuds like Florent, LLoyd off the books ASAP.

GWS lose 3-4 good players every year and they always seems to remain competitive and have much greater depth than we do in their squad. They recruit and draft very well. We need to get aggressive at seasons end. Hard calls need to be made.

 

[killablood]

Don't ever put words in my mouth

Never did I say that development was linear, not ONCE.

I also know that there is something called probably and calling Riak Andrew a best 22 prospect over the likes of Snell and Edwards is a bloody pipe dream given the set of circumstances.

Lets sort the facts out

Snell has played pretty damn well at VFL level for the last year or so and has been unlucky because of injuries to not debut yet. He is obviously well ahead of Andrews physically, match fitness and in terms of ability

Andrew has had been out the whole of 2022, faced injuries in 2023 and 2024 alongside a current AC joint injury which has seen him out for 10 weeks so far with a further 4 weeks out before he is a test to return to the VFL. Which would leave him with like 9-10 games to play in 2025.

Andrew could come from the clouds and showcase he is able but the probably of that I would say is less than 1% given Snell and Edwards being "fitter" and ahead in their development alongside Andrews LT injury problems of the past 4-5 years.

Add to this the historical data of KPDs development taking 2-3 years in the VFL. Look at Zach Reid (same draft class as Errol) Lewis Hayes is about to turn 21 and he just debuted for the Bombers. Jedd Busslinger debuted this year after like 3 years in the VFL.

There are 4 KPDs in the AFL that play reguarly under the age of 23

I apologise for putting words in your mouth. That was just what I was interpreting from your posts, I've got that wrong sorry.
We are getting into the weeds a little and I'm not even sure our opinions are all that different.
I'm happy to accept that Snell and others are currently more viable options. I'm probably just a bit more optimistic about Riak eventually reaching a higher level. Only time will tell. But yes you are correct as of now Snell is well ahead.

 

[GreyGooseGuy88]

I'm not suggesting it was a mistake, but we could do with Konstanty's aggression in the forward line at the monent. At least Nth are playing him, he would have never got a game under us. Sometimes you just need to give them a chunk of games to see if they have it or not.

 

[RUNVS]

This is something I have been concerned about for a while and I think one of our problems is delisting serviceable players.

Ryan Clarke

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was not a world beater, nor were players like Menzel or Taylor, but we as a club seem to go by the idea that if a player is not in our best 22 when everyone is fit then that player is not worth keeping.

If Clarke was on our list right now he would be getting games, and at the very least it would make our reserves a hell of a lot better.

Our crappy reserves really is an example of us not valuing the 24th to 30th bracket in our teams list, and our injuries have shown just how thin our depth is because we keep delisting depth players.

 

[Kbroome]

Just saw a mock draft of us taking Loui Emmett and then just switched it off.

Guy lost all respect I have for the channel because he just doesn't watch the Swans or know the Swans list. Probably one that comes to the conclusion that Fantasy or SuperCoach points directly says how good or bad a player is.

Just said that we would draft our future ruck, completely ignoring Will Green

 

[RUNVS]

Just saw a mock draft of us taking Loui Emmett and then just switched it off.

Guy lost all respect I have for the channel because he just doesn't watch the Swans or know the Swans list. Probably one that comes to the conclusion that Fantasy or SuperCoach points directly says how good or bad a player is.

Just said that we would draft our future ruck, completely ignoring Will Green

Though I have no faith in our recruiters to draft a player we actually need either.

Been super obvious for ages we need a big bodied inside mid and a KPD and our recruiters have not targetted either.

 

[The King!]

Campbell is just an afl player

He won’t change despite some saying he has been played out of position he entire career


Bloke just not that good unfortunately

Campbell is overrated by the swans community club and fans, and I am guilty of that and maybe then expecting way too much.

He is fine, you need his type week to week, but he is what he is

 

[The King!]

This is something I have been concerned about for a while and I think one of our problems is delisting serviceable players.

Ryan Clarke was not a world beater, nor were players like Menzel or Taylor, but we as a club seem to go by the idea that if a player is not in our best 22 when everyone is fit then that player is not worth keeping.

If Clarke was on our list right now he would be getting games, and at the very least it would make our reserves a hell of a lot better.

Our crappy reserves really is an example of us not valuing the 24th to 30th bracket in our teams list, and our injuries have shown just how thin our depth is because we keep delisting depth players.

Geez next we will be wishing we kept Bell Towers and Rose

 

[The King!]

****ing up the Stephen’s pick (not even on our list anymore) when we did fall down the ladder has bitten us in the bum quite a bit

 

[RUNVS]

****ing up the Stephen’s pick (not even on our list anymore) when we did fall down the ladder has bitten us in the bum quite a bit

Yep. The fact we didn't even want Green and we passed on Serong is the stuff of nightmares. We instead went for a midfielder who did a bit of everything but had no real point of difference.

 

[RUNVS]

Geez next we will be wishing we kept Bell Towers and Rose

Not all of them but keeping some depth is important. Our crappy reserves performances, even last year shows we have very little depth compared to most clubs.

 

[Ballarat Bob]

Quite a few out of contract at the end of the year. Wicks maybe Sheldrick most likely to get extended. Hanily rookied for another year and maybe Francis for backup. Ladhams would leave our ruck stocks very thin if he goes.
Rampe and Lloyd are not screaming out with their performances to get their contracts extended which would free up some money.
Think if we are committed to the three academy lads we are going to struggle to trade in any AFL ready players without giving away future picks or trading one of our best 22.
RUNVS is right we haven't bought in a key defender and an inside mid. A decent lead up forward would help as well.
Injuries always make our list look worse but with Tom McCartin

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168.0

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an ongoing concussion risk.Rampe possibly on the way out and Hamling and Francis out of contract at the end of the year are defensive stocks are very thin. We need to see if Snell and Edwards this year get a run especially if we are out of finals contention.