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List Mgmt. 2025 Draft & Trade Thread - Picks 31, 32, 42, 60 and 71
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This is serious. I am not being flippant.
Swans have basically flipped the coin. All in.
No regard to the ongoing health of the club. Just short termism.
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Hope we can redeem ourselves.
I like positive players.
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Sad to see Will go but have you watched Charlie kick a goal for Carlton before?
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LukeParkerno1
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You mean a two time AA who can win games off his own boot
LukeParkerno1
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That’s why we got Serong and Carmichael should play very early by the way. Kyle could too. Not as convinced on King as most
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I agree with what you're saying, the club do need to get someone in that can draft. But we have no control over that, so until then, humor is how I deal with it.
A bit OTT
Hayward and florent arent going to win us a flag
They disappear at best of times
Florent couldnt get a game this year and its not like we missed him that much
We looked pretty good in 2022 when hayward was out in the 2s
Everyone that wants us to keep the first rounders - when do you want us to contend? In 5 years when Heeney retires?
We arent winning shit with just Amartey and McDonald
Hayward and florent arent going to win us a flag
They disappear at best of times
Florent couldnt get a game this year and its not like we missed him that much
We looked pretty good in 2022 when hayward was out in the 2s
Everyone that wants us to keep the first rounders - when do you want us to contend? In 5 years when Heeney retires?
We arent winning shit with just Amartey and McDonald
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My source was right in the end 
no WA players in discussions, unexpected player floated (Rowbottom), Swans being confident on getting Curnow all along, recently contracted players being in discussions (contracts signed just last year) and GC never really being interested.
Can add a few more things now.
no WA players in discussions, unexpected player floated (Rowbottom), Swans being confident on getting Curnow all along, recently contracted players being in discussions (contracts signed just last year) and GC never really being interested.Can add a few more things now.
- We had chats with Petracca's management, but were priced out.
- Never spoke with anyone in regards to Oliver
- Did speak with WCE about trading down for an earlier pick, but got priced out.
- We spoke with many players in the landscape (mostly defenders/ dynamic forwards), were confident on our midfield for next year. (Apparently this is common for clubs, but we were very proactive this year).
What am I missing? Most people seemed comfortable with Pick 11, 2026 1st, and Hayward for Curnow and pick 42.
In addition to this we do a slide of our 2027 1st to Carlton's 2027 2nd and get pick 31 this year too. It guarantees we can get our academy kids. Now everyone is throwing the toys out of the cot?
In addition to this we do a slide of our 2027 1st to Carlton's 2027 2nd and get pick 31 this year too. It guarantees we can get our academy kids. Now everyone is throwing the toys out of the cot?
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Would you rather waste another season kicking to Francis and Hambling if we cop another injury up forward?
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How do they help the KPD position? Not the height, strength or skill set. Did you read my post?
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I think if the culture was ruined by this then it wasn't strong enough to begin with
Thanks for all your contributions Bonz. I waded through pages of difficult reading just to find your posts in this thread.My source was right in the end
Can add a few more things now.
- We had chats with Petracca's management, but were priced out.
- Never spoke with anyone in regards to Oliver
- Did speak with WCE about trading down for an earlier pick, but got priced out.
- We spoke with many players in the landscape (mostly defenders/ dynamic forwards), were confident on our midfield for next year. (Apparently this is common for clubs, but we were very proactive this year).
I think he is one we will need to bite the bullet and move on a year before the contract is top to get some proper value.
Wins and losses today.
Fantastic to get a gun CHF-Win
Hayward & Florent gone
-Loss.
Biggest win today ?
Those cheating rats down the highway missing Marshall & Curnow.
Honorable mention ? That little rat Mitchell not getting Merrett.
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tl;dr
Worth taking a genuine crack at a premiership as opposed to a) sitting in the middle of the pack with no realistic path to premiership contention or b) going further down the ladder and being 5+ years away from premiership contention.
My 2c on the overall trade period and strategy.
I'm of the belief that there's not really much point being in the middle of the competition, in purgatory and nowhere near realistic premiership contention. The question always has to be what's the most realistic route to a premiership. It's clear that even if you are glass half-empty on the list, it would still be too good to finish in the bottom 4/6 next season to allow us rebuild the list with top draft picks. So to do nothing (if you accept that the list was not good enough to contend next season) would be to consign us to another finish in the 6-12 range. With the looming potential of Warner leaving and Heeney/Grundy getting old (for a team reliant on its' stars) that could leave us closer to bottoming out right as Tasmania enter the competition, which would frankly be a disaster.
So that leaves the option of accelerating our bottoming out by trading out players with currency now, and trying to amass a lot more draft picks in the next two seasons. It probably means not re-signing Warner and maximising his value now with a trade. Perhaps it means the likes of Hayward and Florent are traded regardless. All in all, I'm not sure the last two seasons could justify such an approach. Melbourne took about 3 years before they gave up on their list and opted to reset. Perhaps that was one year too late, but I still don't think we are there.
The flip side, if you take a glass half-full view on the list (which is where I sit) - this is a team that has the majority of its best players in their prime or about to enter it in the next two seasons. Two grand finals in the last four seasons. Clearly they took a step back last year, which is probably accounted for by a combination of (i) a new coach, (ii) injuries to key personnel, (iii) lack of talent in key positions (KPF/KPD) and (iv) the mental impact of two GF beltings. I think there's strong reason to believe that we can improve or have addressed all of these issues in the off-season.
The aggressive, win-now approach that has been taken I think is a reasonably calculated gamble. You can never guarantee yourself a premiership with any move, too many moving parts. But for 2026/27, it's unlikely that any of our first round picks would contribute in a meaningful sense. Whereas Charlie Curnow has the potential to kick 120+ goals over the next two seasons, and make life easier for the rest of our players in the forward half. Of course he has to go out and do it, but I think the potential upside of the move makes it justifiable.
Worth taking a genuine crack at a premiership as opposed to a) sitting in the middle of the pack with no realistic path to premiership contention or b) going further down the ladder and being 5+ years away from premiership contention.
My 2c on the overall trade period and strategy.
I'm of the belief that there's not really much point being in the middle of the competition, in purgatory and nowhere near realistic premiership contention. The question always has to be what's the most realistic route to a premiership. It's clear that even if you are glass half-empty on the list, it would still be too good to finish in the bottom 4/6 next season to allow us rebuild the list with top draft picks. So to do nothing (if you accept that the list was not good enough to contend next season) would be to consign us to another finish in the 6-12 range. With the looming potential of Warner leaving and Heeney/Grundy getting old (for a team reliant on its' stars) that could leave us closer to bottoming out right as Tasmania enter the competition, which would frankly be a disaster.
So that leaves the option of accelerating our bottoming out by trading out players with currency now, and trying to amass a lot more draft picks in the next two seasons. It probably means not re-signing Warner and maximising his value now with a trade. Perhaps it means the likes of Hayward and Florent are traded regardless. All in all, I'm not sure the last two seasons could justify such an approach. Melbourne took about 3 years before they gave up on their list and opted to reset. Perhaps that was one year too late, but I still don't think we are there.
The flip side, if you take a glass half-full view on the list (which is where I sit) - this is a team that has the majority of its best players in their prime or about to enter it in the next two seasons. Two grand finals in the last four seasons. Clearly they took a step back last year, which is probably accounted for by a combination of (i) a new coach, (ii) injuries to key personnel, (iii) lack of talent in key positions (KPF/KPD) and (iv) the mental impact of two GF beltings. I think there's strong reason to believe that we can improve or have addressed all of these issues in the off-season.
The aggressive, win-now approach that has been taken I think is a reasonably calculated gamble. You can never guarantee yourself a premiership with any move, too many moving parts. But for 2026/27, it's unlikely that any of our first round picks would contribute in a meaningful sense. Whereas Charlie Curnow has the potential to kick 120+ goals over the next two seasons, and make life easier for the rest of our players in the forward half. Of course he has to go out and do it, but I think the potential upside of the move makes it justifiable.
LukeParkerno1
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There’s also “first” rounders and there’s whatever this year is. Then we hopefully bounce back and it’s a top 4-6 finish that’s pick 16 plus. The third first is just a pick slide
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People are reacting to 2027 1st without considering that it's highly likely with Tassie's picks that that's a pick in the 20s at the earliest, possibly late 20s / early 30s after FA compensation.
LukeParkerno1
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We have enough defenders confident Andrews or Snell could play early
Carlton rep said, they feel they got three firsts and another one in Hayward. That annoyed me because if that was their take, the previous deal would have been "3 firsts" oner being Hayward for Curnow and a 2nd rounder.
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