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Analysis 2025 Draft watch
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Agreed. People seem to be forgetting just how perfect both players are for our list. If we had neither player and were just heading to the draft, I think most of us would be after a tall defender and an onballer with speed and disposal.
You’re not wrong GIIP.
Without the likes of TDK, Curnow and JSOS wanting to move on, I’m not sure where we would had generated the picks required to bring in much needed new talent like Dean, Ison, Walker.
While the loss of TDK, CC etc. is a step backwards in the short term the reality is we’ve stalled and gone backwards in the last two years and the currency of these players has enabled us to meaningfully refresh the list with quality young talent and experienced players.
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Looking forward to Dean & Ison coming onto the list & hopefully have plenty of ammunition for next draft with Cody & other top end talent.
The F/s & academy system is a farce , so if we have a great year next year it affects how we bid for a top 3 end talent.... whom is already tied to a club 2-3 years out ? Will it get to the stage
where clubs tank in 2nd half of the year again?.
How Brisbane & the lions
still get access to whole of Queensland state that has plenty of young junior footballers that jsve moved from Vic with their family's. Is a j9ke , GC I understand they don't have F/S yet but are grabbing atleast 3 top end players every year & Brisbane have been around since the 1987 !!! .
The Draft really is compromised & has lost so much appeal l.
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The F/s & academy system is a farce , so if we have a great year next year it affects how we bid for a top 3 end talent.... whom is already tied to a club 2-3 years out ? Will it get to the stage
where clubs tank in 2nd half of the year again?.How Brisbane & the lions
still get access to whole of Queensland state that has plenty of young junior footballers that jsve moved from Vic with their family's. Is a j9ke , GC I understand they don't have F/S yet but are grabbing atleast 3 top end players every year & Brisbane have been around since the 1987 !!! .The Draft really is compromised & has lost so much appeal l.
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Depending on where the bid for Dean comes, I think there'd have to be a chance we trade back up again after the Dean bid is matched. We could match with 21, 25 and a bit off 27 (moving it back to 31ish, for example). In the process, 30 moves up to 28. Then 28 and 30 could be traded to Brisbane for 22 and some later picks if we think that 22 will get us a player before Ison's name is called.
We can also dangle the future second from North throughout the night as long as there's a player on the board we're happy to spend it on - same sort of deal as we did for Cowan.
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No denying they look good, but also feel we are paying a premium which is not ideal and restricting us from bringing in more quality young talent.
Interestingly Gold Coast has two top 10 players to bring in and look likely to obtain them, they look like they managed their draft hand better than us we gave away too many picks in the middle end of the draft which has restricted us.
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Thats chicken feed... You stole Megan Gale from us.
(And Shaun hampson)
Some things just can't be forgiven.
Well if you want to be like that about women folk teddy...we'll have the 1982 flag back thanks very much, that you stole from us by the underhanded exploitation of Helen D'iabolico to distract the virile stallions of the Richmond FC.
Some people need to reframe their thinking a bit. WC and Richmond aren’t going to bid on him unless they are willing to take him at that pick. So if a bid comes in at 2 or 3 it means at least some clubs rate him as a top 3 talent in this draft.
Rather than worrying about the rules and points, maybe we should be excited about the fact we’ve got access to a top 3 pick when we’re not anything like a bottom 3 team? And then again the same next year? This is literally what people have been complaining about re Pies and Lions for a couple of years ago. Now it’s our turn and we’re whinging about the points?
Rather than worrying about the rules and points, maybe we should be excited about the fact we’ve got access to a top 3 pick when we’re not anything like a bottom 3 team? And then again the same next year? This is literally what people have been complaining about re Pies and Lions for a couple of years ago. Now it’s our turn and we’re whinging about the points?
Of course Gold Coast “look like they managed their draft hand better”, they knew they had 2 top 5 players as part of a really strong academy contingent and spent 2 years setting up for it.
Meanwhile we were happy to wipe this weak, compromised draft. Nobody was expecting Harry Dean to be a top 5 player after missing 3 years of footy.
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No, it locks into place, and the other picks move around it. The pick the formula rewards you is what you get after the bidding process is complete.
Ison is more agile than quick, but I will not be satisfied with taking 2 players from our draft haul, and we will have to recover that in 2027.
Remember that we sent Docherty off at least a year early instead of better managing his workload, and that Newman, Cripps, and Saad, and Williams aren't going to be around forever.
McKay and Weitering 28... not swimming in choices in terms of a succession plan, even a backup plan right now really.
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If you can't see the difference in valuation in the open pool vs outcome you're kidding yourself.
But as I've already posted, this is likely a contingency plan that has been leaked to force West Coast to rethink their approach.
They wanted 9 for 13 and 34, so Essendon's move blows them out of the water and makes their Dean bid threat incredibly hollow given Richmond are threatening similar.
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I'm pretty sure it ends up at pick 23...
Also, there'll be bids on Patterson and Annable before pick 23 becomes live so it will likely come in a couple places more...
Obv same deal with the other scenario.
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While I’d hoped we might trade up, it’s a seller’s market and it doesn’t seem realistic now given the external factors and uncertainty around a potential bid on Dean.
That said, this is an incredibly shrewd piece of business.
The reality is that turning pick 9 into 21, 27 and 30 is a smart strategic return on its own.
Now factor in that WCE are almost certainly bidding on Uwland at pick 2 - which effectively shifts those picks to 20, 25 and 28, as the Suns have to use 15, 18 and 24 to match the bid.
And when you add the pick 25 coming from North (and ignore the F2, which isn’t relevant here and is just a bonus), even if WCE did bid on Dean at 3 (which I still think is unlikely) the worst-case scenario is that we still hold pick 30.
There’s also the options of parlaying some of these picks and trade up with GC/Bris if possible. But I think we’ve done a great job in calling WCE’s bluff of being forced into a trade of 9 for/ 13 and 34.
Bravo.
That said, this is an incredibly shrewd piece of business.
The reality is that turning pick 9 into 21, 27 and 30 is a smart strategic return on its own.
Now factor in that WCE are almost certainly bidding on Uwland at pick 2 - which effectively shifts those picks to 20, 25 and 28, as the Suns have to use 15, 18 and 24 to match the bid.
And when you add the pick 25 coming from North (and ignore the F2, which isn’t relevant here and is just a bonus), even if WCE did bid on Dean at 3 (which I still think is unlikely) the worst-case scenario is that we still hold pick 30.
There’s also the options of parlaying some of these picks and trade up with GC/Bris if possible. But I think we’ve done a great job in calling WCE’s bluff of being forced into a trade of 9 for/ 13 and 34.
Bravo.
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How are they late 20s, early 30s?
As the draft stands, if Uwland gets a bid before Dean, 25 is moving up to 23. If Annable gets a bid before Dean too, it moves up to 22.
Uwland bid before Dean - 25 becomes 23.
Uwland and Annable bid before Dean - 25 becomes 22.
Uwland and Patterson bid before Dean - 25 becomes 24.
Uwland, Patterson and Annable bid before Dean - 25 becomes 24.
The risk is that Brissy and GC trade back for a crapload of late picks before any bids, which they may, but suitors may be thin. Worst case, the move all their picks past 25 and 25 might slip to 28.
Next year's second from North....early 20s is likely.
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Agreed. First time your boys saw a lady still had all her own teeth. Very distracting.
Sounds like the AFL may have got the DVI changes right, unfortunate we are the ones to get screwed on it along with GC and Brissie but it is what it is…no more complete freebies through a loophole
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Dont see the issue trading out, we either secure Dean and Ison with 9 & 11 or we secure them with 21 27 & 30 plus Norths 25 and we've scored another 2nd in next years draft or to be used as trade capital for a player. We haven't lost out here at all.
No chance
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Would probably have been off the board had we held onto the picks anyway
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No. Sounding like ess will use our pick 9 on him
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So so are likely heading into the draft with 21, 25, 27, 30, 46
Potential to walk away with Dean, Ison, F2 .. and potentially Pickett/Ludowyke (both I think will slide to the mid-late 20s.).
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Potential to walk away with Dean, Ison, F2 .. and potentially Pickett/Ludowyke (both I think will slide to the mid-late 20s.).
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