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[Accidental genius]

we'd need to have 2 very good prospects in the MSD to make an early call on Doc, and that's unlikely.

But he'd be a great asset playing in our VFL team for a period, more valuable than a non playing emergency.

Unless the cupboard is 100% bare empty I’d rather we play younger developing players.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Eg….Murphy getting games he didn’t deserve towards the end. Would have been to give younger guys games to develop them quicker.

Although that doesn’t necessarily work. We gave almost 250 games to LOB, SPS and Dow and didn’t get any long term benefits either.

 

[Accidental genius]

Although that doesn’t necessarily work. We gave almost 250 games to LOB, SPS and Dow and didn’t get any long term benefits either.

You have to give em opportunities as well as help “develop” them.

I don’t think our player development was all that good around that time.

Still think Dow was handy as a mid with a bit of burst speed and quick hands. Although he just didn’t seem to take that next step up.

 

[JJBagger]

You have to give em opportunities as well as help “develop” them.

I don’t think our player development was all that good around that time.

Still think Dow was handy as a mid with a bit of burst speed and quick hands. Although he just didn’t seem to take that next step up.

Depends. Geelong and Sydney spend 1-2 years playing their draftees in the reserves before even getting 1 opportunity. They go okay

 

[Accidental genius]

Depends. Geelong and Sydney spend 1-2 years playing their draftees in the reserves before even getting 1 opportunity. They go okay

It’s very clear those two clubs can develop players.

I think we are better these days.

White and carroll in particular a couple of shining lights.

 

[katmanblue]

Absolutely same logic applies why would it not, the rumoured $ 1.7k is inflated no way is TDK worth remotely close to that number.

The strong clubs don't do rubbish deals like this, you are missing the point if St Kilda pay TDK $1.7m with Marshall approx $850k they are valuing his worth double that of Marshall anyone that thinks that is good list management has no idea.
The players that go to teams like Geelong go for much broader reasons than $, tell me where the two ruckman combo has actually worked at all.

The other point is that is about 12% of the total salary cap on the ruck division.

Edit: it's more like 13.5%

 

[katmanblue]

There's also a big difference in the salary cap these days to back then. Percentage of cap wise now it would be in the same ballpark as a few of them.

If you look at FA, they get a premium to move.

The TDK offer to stay is about 65% of what he's being offered elsewhere.

Compare that to 900k for Williams and 600k (what he would have been worth if not for FA status) which is 66.7%.

1.7M/1.1M is about 64.5%.
900k/600k is about 66.7%

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I used this one below (might be the same one), we you filter out the ruck stuff, he doesnt rank 1 in any.

AFL Player Statistics

AFL player statistics.

www.wheeloratings.com

In any case, I'm not putting shit on TDK, he is an outstanding footballer and is vital to our success.

Literally first in the 'player rating' rank as per that list (when you exclude Jackson who hasn't played much ruck, and is injured).

 

[TheReal99prelim]

Depends. Geelong and Sydney spend 1-2 years playing their draftees in the reserves before even getting 1 opportunity. They go okay

But...their seniors go ok so the reserves players understand they need to keep up good form and wait for an opportunity.

Our senior team has been poor and while the reserves players have also been poor, the "easy out" is to say that the reserves are poor so we won't promote anybody, which creates a cycle of complacency from the senior players and feelings of frustration by the reserves players.

Here's a novel idea...drop senior players (not all in one hit) and have a "heart to heart" with a reserves player telling them that while their form doesn't warrant it, the coaching group are giving them an opportunity to step up and prove the coaches wrong. Sometimes that motivation to succeed at the next level can be nuclear. It just takes a mark or a kick or even a goal for that player to unblock the mystery of what's required at senior level and flourish

Give them a block of games (at least 3). I guarantee you those players would be getting so much advice from their family and friends about grabbing this possible life changing opportunity with both hands.

The greatest development program for reserves players is exposure at AFL level. PERIOD

 

[Gointocarlton]

Literally first in the 'player rating' rank as per that list (when you exclude Jackson who hasn't played much ruck, and is injured).

As I said, I didn't look at the "player rating" at first, I was looking at all the ruck related stats.

 

[SirSanchez]

Somewhat unrelated but not sure where else to post this. Watching the ANZAC day game, and I know we’ve made some silly regrettable trades over the years, but geez I tell you what, I’m so very glad we never got Shiel!!!
He is rubbish! Dodged a bullet with that one!

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

You have to give em opportunities as well as help “develop” them.

I don’t think our player development was all that good around that time.

Still think Dow was handy as a mid with a bit of burst speed and quick hands. Although he just didn’t seem to take that next step up.

Absolutely but I don’t think we have failed anyone by lack of opportunity.

 

[agro]

Somewhat unrelated but not sure where else to post this. Watching the ANZAC day game, and I know we’ve made some silly regrettable trades over the years, but geez I tell you what, I’m so very glad we never got Shiel!!!
He is rubbish! Dodged a bullet with that one!

Cafes around Melrose Drive very happy.

 

[blue healer]

Look $1.7 million per year is great and all... but you'd have to play for St. Kilda.

Ewww

For $1.7 mill I'd play for Essendon.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Question in Brad Scott's presser after the game today:

‘I’ll let our recruiters know’: Scott laughs off list claim, defends ‘unfair’ criticism after Pies fadeout

‘I’ll let our recruiters know’: Bombers boss laughs off ‘unfair’ skill claim amid list criticism

www.foxsports.com.au

Reporter:

Looking ahead from a development point of view, would you agree that it's skilled young players, probably at a premium, to come on to this list? There's just a bit of a .... I don't want to sound hurtful or whatever, but there's a bit of a vanilla look about quite a bit of the list. Does it need more skill, do you think, to be competitive with a Collingwood?

Scott:

(Big grin) Yeah, I'll let our recruiters know. I mean (laughs), yeah well ... would a coach like more skill, yeah we would, but our job as coaches is to develop the talent that we have. So, my focus is on ... um ... developing all those footy fundamentals that are really important to the game, and some of it's really simple, some of it's a little bit more technical, but yeah we're ah ... we're ... our list profile is there for all to see. But I mean, my focus is not on, you know, the list management crew do all of that, and I'm part of that, but I mean, my primary focus is developing the talent we've got. And I've got a lot of belief in their capability. I think when the team starts to look good, everyone looks better. I can think of a million examples like that. I think of players who I know are really capable, and talented players, but when they're in bottom teams, they don't look very good. You know, but you can take a pretty good player and put them in a great team, and they look a million dollars.

This answer continued on, but I was firstly surprised that Scott took this in good humour and sincerity, and didn't bake the journo, but it also gave him a bit of a back seat position as far as recruitment goes.

I guess it really highlights that the recruiters recruit, and the coaches coach and develop. The coaches have a little bit of input into recruiting, but the recruiters have no input into the coaching and developing.

I wonder how much the recruiter thinks, we have too many players who lack skills, so we will go for skills this year. How much we lack pace, so we will recruit pace. How quickly we need to replace someone, so we will look for a mature option. It seems to me that these two departments should be working extremely closely, and not be afraid to make suggestions about the other's core business. This needs to be facilitated by the football manager who needs to be across all of these things, even if he lacks the expertise to make decisions.

Also, kudos to the journo for having the balls to frame his question in that way.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Question in Brad Scott's presser after the game today:

Reporter:

Looking ahead from a development point of view, would you agree that it's skilled young players, probably at a premium, to come on to this list? There's just a bit of a .... I don't want to sound hurtful or whatever, but there's a bit of a vanilla look about quite a bit of the list. Does it need more skill, do you think, to be competitive with a Collingwood?

Scott:

(Big grin) Yeah, I'll let our recruiters know. I mean (laughs), yeah well ... would a coach like more skill, yeah we would, but our job as coaches is to develop the talent that we have. So, my focus is on ... um ... developing all those footy fundamentals that are really important to the game, and some of it's really simple, some of it's a little bit more technical, but yeah we're ah ... we're ... our list profile is there for all to see. But I mean, my focus is not on, you know, the list management crew do all of that, and I'm part of that, but I mean, my primary focus is developing the talent we've got. And I've got a lot of belief in their capability. I think when the team starts to look good, everyone looks better. I can think of a million examples like that. I think of players who I know are really capable, and talented players, but when they're in bottom teams, they don't look very good. You know, but you can take a pretty good player and put them in a great team, and they look a million dollars.

This answer continued on, but I was firstly surprised that Scott took this in good humour and sincerity, and didn't bake the journo, but it also gave him a bit of a back seat position as far as recruitment goes.

I guess it really highlights that the recruiters recruit, and the coaches coach and develop. The coaches have a little bit of input into recruiting, but the recruiters have no input into the coaching and developing.

I wonder how much the recruiter thinks, we have too many players who lack skills, so we will go for skills this year. How much we lack pace, so we will recruit pace. How quickly we need to replace someone, so we will look for a mature option. It seems to me that these two departments should be working extremely closely, and not be afraid to make suggestions about the other's core business. This needs to be facilitated by the football manager who needs to be across all of these things, even if he lacks the expertise to make decisions.

Also, kudos to the journo for having the balls to frame his question in that way.

Coaches will tell the recruiters the types they're after.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

For $1.7 mill I'd play for Essendon.

Ben McKay likes this

 

[bluefan]

He said that he’s part of that team, but albeit a small part. I would think calling them out is not going to go down well, but I’d also be ok with it

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Question in Brad Scott's presser after the game today:

Reporter:

Looking ahead from a development point of view, would you agree that it's skilled young players, probably at a premium, to come on to this list? There's just a bit of a .... I don't want to sound hurtful or whatever, but there's a bit of a vanilla look about quite a bit of the list. Does it need more skill, do you think, to be competitive with a Collingwood?

Scott:

(Big grin) Yeah, I'll let our recruiters know. I mean (laughs), yeah well ... would a coach like more skill, yeah we would, but our job as coaches is to develop the talent that we have. So, my focus is on ... um ... developing all those footy fundamentals that are really important to the game, and some of it's really simple, some of it's a little bit more technical, but yeah we're ah ... we're ... our list profile is there for all to see. But I mean, my focus is not on, you know, the list management crew do all of that, and I'm part of that, but I mean, my primary focus is developing the talent we've got. And I've got a lot of belief in their capability. I think when the team starts to look good, everyone looks better. I can think of a million examples like that. I think of players who I know are really capable, and talented players, but when they're in bottom teams, they don't look very good. You know, but you can take a pretty good player and put them in a great team, and they look a million dollars.

This answer continued on, but I was firstly surprised that Scott took this in good humour and sincerity, and didn't bake the journo, but it also gave him a bit of a back seat position as far as recruitment goes.

I guess it really highlights that the recruiters recruit, and the coaches coach and develop. The coaches have a little bit of input into recruiting, but the recruiters have no input into the coaching and developing.

I wonder how much the recruiter thinks, we have too many players who lack skills, so we will go for skills this year. How much we lack pace, so we will recruit pace. How quickly we need to replace someone, so we will look for a mature option. It seems to me that these two departments should be working extremely closely, and not be afraid to make suggestions about the other's core business. This needs to be facilitated by the football manager who needs to be across all of these things, even if he lacks the expertise to make decisions.

Also, kudos to the journo for having the balls to frame his question in that way.

Knowing Essendon, Brad Scott is probably afraid to criticise the legacy of Adrian Dodoro (who still has lots of pull at the club).

 

[DangerousD]

Somewhat unrelated but not sure where else to post this. Watching the ANZAC day game, and I know we’ve made some silly regrettable trades over the years, but geez I tell you what, I’m so very glad we never got Shiel!!!
He is rubbish! Dodged a bullet with that one!

A few Silvagni sliding doors moments really worked in our favour.

The Tomlinson deal falling through, keeping most likely the Charlie pick.

Missing out on Cogniglio, has never justified the $$$ we offered since

Missing Shiel

 

[DangerousD]

we'd need to have 2 very good prospects in the MSD to make an early call on Doc, and that's unlikely.

But he'd be a great asset playing in our VFL team for a period, more valuable than a non playing emergency.

We don’t need to make a call on Doc anytime soon, we currently can have two spots at the MSD with vacancies from Newman and Kemp.

We could pick 2 and a f Newman was fit to play again, then you’d have to make the call on Doc or Fantasia even.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

We don’t need to make a call on Doc anytime soon, we currently can have two spots at the MSD with vacancies from Newman and Kemp.

We could pick 2 and a f Newman was fit to play again, then you’d have to make the call on Doc or Fantasia even.

We have Kemp and Smith spots, so no need to do anything with Doc if Newman gets back.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

We don’t need to make a call on Doc anytime soon, we currently can have two spots at the MSD with vacancies from Newman and Kemp.

We could pick 2 and a f Newman was fit to play again, then you’d have to make the call on Doc or Fantasia even.

Bloody hell, I'd forgotten all about Fantasia

 

[GT619]

Somewhat unrelated but not sure where else to post this. Watching the ANZAC day game, and I know we’ve made some silly regrettable trades over the years, but geez I tell you what, I’m so very glad we never got Shiel!!!
He is rubbish! Dodged a bullet with that one!

so did gws

 

[Andypooh23]

We have Kemp and Smith spots, so no need to do anything with Doc if Newman gets back.

Will White has Jagga's spot.