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[DangerousD]

Im sure most of the senior players have had a meting with Wright, he wouldn’t be doing his job if he hadn’t. Tom is weighing up offers, he wouldn’t be doing his job if he wasn’t asking these questions.

I would report this and have a really high likelihood of it being correct.

 

[blues4flag]

Approaching GW is not childish....approaching GW with the question posed in maclures report is childish - if it is true

Tom needs to make a decision so this is all about him.

By all reports he's got the offer from us and saints and maybe other clubs - so the financial side of it should be clear enough
I cant think of anything that GW might reveal about the list or coaches that could make a difference in Toms decision making seeing that the difference we are hearing are significant.

It's not childish in the slightest.

Obviously GW is not going to divulge specifics, but he can give generalisations as to his philosophy. e.g. we'll be looking at all aspects of the football department and playing list. We want people who are committed to seeing us succeed, not people who are just after a paycheck, going through the motions etc etc.

Money is a key motivator but so is success. We've sold the vision that being a successful one club player has monetary benefits post retirement. How much that holds sway who knows.

 

[DangerousD]

You cant run any system with a lack of talent to run any system - watch Carlton try and play kick to kick - even unmarked it breaks down...system pigs aaaa*e if you diont have the talent.

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This raises the question, why try play the kick to kick system if we dont have the players for it? I love stats and the one from the weekend was we had 50 handball receives in the 1st quarter against WC then we had 60 more in the next 3.

We looked great in the 1st quarters the last few weeks where we played attacking footy, running and playing on at all costs, moving the ball quickly, we turned to crap when we started the kick mark rubbish that we aren’t equiped for.

So did we revert to that because the 1st quarter style was unsustainable or is Voss trying to develop different playing modes or was it something else?

I’ve always found Collingwood to play a fast brand of football rather than a kick mark style.

 

[Accidental genius]

It's not childish in the slightest.

Obviously GW is not going to divulge specifics, but he can give generalisations as to his philosophy. e.g. we'll be looking at all aspects of the football department and playing list. We want people who are committed to seeing us succeed, not people who are just after a paycheck, going through the motions etc etc.

Money is a key motivator but so is success. We've sold the vision that being a successful one club player has monetary benefits post retirement. How much that holds sway who knows.

Yes it is - "GW what changes are you going to try and implement"?

And, your points I highlighted are all pretty stock standard for any CEO to say isn't it?

Nothing more specific that what you've raised is going to be mentioned so either the report is bullshit or Toms mind is wavering big time - which I don't blame him ...it's a huge decision and he probably doesn't want to leave his mates.

 

[Sector 7G]

Yes it is - "GW what changes are you going to try and implement"?

And, your points I highlighted are all pretty stock standard for any CEO to say isn't it?

Nothing more specific that what you've raised is going to be mentioned so either the report is bullshit or Toms mind is wavering big time - which I don't blame him ...it's a huge decision and he probably doesn't want to leave his mates.

Seems pretty reasonable that TDK wants to know what he is signing on to. Is GW going to blow the joint up? Last thing he would want to do is what Taranto did and sign on to a club that exploded 6 months later.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

It could be decent Assistant Coaches - but having said that I doubt Graeme Wright like to be dictated to by a player.

I don't see that as a player dictating anything.
I also don't agree with the previous poster's subtext.

If true, I actually love this from Tom. He clearly wants to stay & if he does, he'll be leaving a lot of cash on the table. He just wants some assurances that he's making the right call and that everyone is rowing in the right direction for success.
I think it shows a lot of maturity by Tom.

 

[RAPPA]

you wouldn't have a clue as to what is trained and what is trained - mate- no one on here does. I just watch games and play them back in slow mo and that is all I need to see to know how fken ordinary half the list is in executing schoolboy level stuff.

half the team is developing AFL level capability whilst being carried by the other half - it is what it is...

the nayssayers on this forum are just searching for hugs and likes from their fellow ranters and entitled crew - boooooring. Too hard to embrace the reality of list in its current level of development waaah waaaah wahhhh

JAB, I can’t help but think it’s a subtle cry for help that you subject yourself to playing back in slow motion the repeated garbage we dish up. Seeing it once in real time is enough pain and disappointment.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Approaching GW is not childish....approaching GW with the question posed in maclures report is childish - if it is true

Tom needs to make a decision so this is all about him.

By all reports he's got the offer from us and saints and maybe other clubs - so the financial side of it should be clear enough
I cant think of anything that GW might reveal about the list or coaches that could make a difference in Toms decision making seeing that the difference we are hearing are significant.

Depends how it's framed.

"If I'm going to stick around this dump, I want some assurances that things are going to get better - tell me what changes you're willing to make to give me the best chance at success". If not childish, certainly selfish.

"I've been through a number of false starts and shake-ups in my eight years at the club. If I'm going to turn down a massive offer at another mid-table club, I want to have an understanding of what Carlton's plan is for the next 5 years. Where do you see the list and the club as a whole, and what sorts of changes will you be driving to bring improvement?". Mature, reasonable.

Doubt GW would give him all the gory details, especially while Tom is considering leaving. You don't give that IP away in a messy breakup. But GW could probably demonstrate to Tom what aspects of the list he likes, what areas we need to address, and what sort of timeline he believes we can go from "talented but archaic" to "talented and built for the modern game". It might be list related (does he see it needing a rebuild, does it just need a couple of key players, or are the players fine but we need to address how we use them), it might be around training methods, it might be around game plan. Won't be highly detailed, but I'm sure Wright is smart enough to articulate what our general direction would be, and that would help Tom assess whether he's on board for that journey.

He might be excited by a rebuild if he thinks it'll bring success, or he might hate the idea of bottoming out for another 3-4 years of his prime, or if one of his motivating factors is playing with his mates, he might be turned off by the idea that Wright could turf a bunch of them.

He might be frustrated at how we manage training and recovery, and change in that space could appeal to him. Or he might be jaded by the frequent changes we've had in that space already and be more on board if Wright is preaching consistency.

 

[Accidental genius]

Seems pretty reasonable that TDK wants to know what he is signing on to. Is GW going to blow the joint up? Last thing he would want to do is what Taranto did and sign on to a club that exploded 6 months later.

Why would GW reveal that the club intends to rebuild the list?

 

[JustaBattler]

JAB, I can’t help but think it’s a subtle cry for help that you subject yourself to playing back in slow motion the repeated garbage we dish up. Seeing it once in real time is enough pain and disappointment.

itsa a hobby mate - it isn't life or death and I certainly don't need a hug of approval for my views - from anyone on here ( or anywhere else). In fact my happy place is where few like to sit- a sunny hill open to all visitors called - reality.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

If there are to be coach changes at the end of the year.
Then the performance requirements to avoid this would be on the table, no harm in alluding to what direction we may be taking... if any.

 

[Blue and Silver]

The noise around Wright is that he will shake things up.

Tom knows this, and that his contract situation has a large impact on our plans.

Seems reasonable to have a conversation to figure out where things stand with the new boss

 

[JustaBattler]

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This raises the question, why try play the kick to kick system if we dont have the players for it? I love stats and the one from the weekend was we had 50 handball receives in the 1st quarter against WC then we had 60 more in the next 3.

We looked great in the 1st quarters the last few weeks where we played attacking footy, running and playing on at all costs, moving the ball quickly, we turned to crap when we started the kick mark rubbish that we aren’t equiped for.

So did we revert to that because the 1st quarter style was unsustainable or is Voss trying to develop different playing modes or was it something else?

I’ve always found Collingwood to play a fast brand of football rather than a kick mark style.

mate- the commentators were even smart enough to figure out why the game style changed

1. We lost two talls in Charlie and O'Brien ( did you notice that?) and Williams was actually playing FF for a half FFS; and
2. It was a defendable lead

what exactly do you think the mission was and then morphed into because of the injuries?

PS take 4 points and run - preservation mode was switched on for very obvious reasons - I don't understand the nuffie commentary on here during game and after - as if the reality of who was playing and what the options were - are irrelevant considerations to Caaaarlton supporters -ENTITLEMENT SYNDROME - disease.

 

[Accidental genius]

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This raises the question, why try play the kick to kick system if we dont have the players for it? I love stats and the one from the weekend was we had 50 handball receives in the 1st quarter against WC then we had 60 more in the next 3.

We looked great in the 1st quarters the last few weeks where we played attacking footy, running and playing on at all costs, moving the ball quickly, we turned to crap when we started the kick mark rubbish that we aren’t equiped for.

So did we revert to that because the 1st quarter style was unsustainable or is Voss trying to develop different playing modes or was it something else?

I’ve always found Collingwood to play a fast brand of football rather than a kick mark style.

I was thinking this way as well until I saw some of the 1Q vision they highlighted on first crack and also on OTC last night.

Have a look at some of the 1Q and you'll see that weagles were basically going through the motion with no real intent.

This allowed us to play the way we did and it looked good.

After Q time however, they lifted after their coach gave them a bake and we struggled from then on - the silly errors crept in and we couldn't do anything that resembled what we did in 1Q.

And it cant be fitness related because we had only played in one quarter by which time things changed.

To me it looks like we are trying to play the more modern quicker style but we cant do it when the oppo apply reasonable pressure because it forces us to think quickly and atm we don't have the understanding to do it quickly.

We need to keep practicing it until it becomes second nature to us.

 

[KJP7]

Just a thought bubble to entertain myself here.

I wonder if we already know he's staying and this is a deliberate ploy to hold up planning for other clubs. Throw out some crumbs here and there to keep the story ticking along.

 

[Coops93]

Approaching GW is not childish....approaching GW with the question posed in maclures report is childish - if it is true

Tom needs to make a decision so this is all about him.

By all reports he's got the offer from us and saints and maybe other clubs - so the financial side of it should be clear enough
I cant think of anything that GW might reveal about the list or coaches that could make a difference in Toms decision making seeing that the difference we are hearing are significant.

I don't see how it's childish at all, and in fact think it's quite an adult, and mature, approach to the situation.

Anyone can see what's happening isn't working and some level of change is absolutely required. Why not get your ducks in a row by speaking with the incoming CEO about what he views as potential changes going forward? If I'm going to take $500k less a year to stay here I want to know what the place will look like and whether it's going to be a worthwhile sacrifice, because it's a massive one.

What would be childish is saying "This place is cooked, I'm just going to take the $" and shutting off conversation. He's obviously a thoughtful lad and is taking this decision seriously. As reported, he wants to stay and loves the club, if he sees GWs plan and it engages him enough to the point he believes it's a legitimate pathway to ultimate success then that could be worth it to him and that's something to seriously consider

 

[Matty411]

I don't want to see Tom go. But if its pay more than $1m for a ruckman (who isn't currently in the top 5, you'd say), then I think we need to let him go. I wouldn't begrudge him at all - crazy to turn down that pay packet and I think he'll be great.

I also think Swans and Harry noise is going to get louder and makes sense for a lot of reasons. In saying that, we'd want to get something or someone very good to let him go. Errol Gulden will never happen but that's my pie in the sky swap.

Balance the list - both structurally and financially - and bring in some smooth movers with actual composure. Get Jagga back and pull in some solid backup talls.

Oh, and totally replenish the football department / coaching box.

Then maybe - just maybe - we might be able to make something of this list before its too late.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Why would GW reveal that the club intends to rebuild the list?

Im not sure its great practice to trick a player into re-signing with you. Best to be transparent.

In either case if we are going to refresh the list (0 chance of a full rebuild) it will be off the back of ongoing conversations and not a secret Wright is going to surprise everyone with at the end of the year.

Coaching staff changes he might hold closer to his chest.

 

[Coona Blues]

The Irish boys are list cloggers I'm afraid. The experiment hasn't worked.

If you or anyone else can glean that already, it becomes a very sad indictment of our development coaches.

Monahan was wasted forward of the ball for most of his first season, despite the tried and true method of introducing the Irish boys to our game from behind the ball. His output has improved of late, if it is enough to continue his career remains to be seen.

Duffy has played, I think three games after a delayed start and hasn’t done too much wrong despite having limited game time to date.

 

[marcmurphy3]

If we can keep Tom for unders and trade Harry thats probably a better outcome then vice versa. TDK is younger and a better player, plus we'll get more for Harry in a trade then we will fir Tom as FA compensation.

 

[marcmurphy3]

The Irish boys are list cloggers I'm afraid. The experiment hasn't worked.

I think the issue is more that we now have guys that have grown up playing AFL that we can list as Cat B (next generation academy guys). So giving those spots to Irish boys is no longer the free hit it used to be.

 

[CCurnow3picks]

Hopefully Wright reassured TDK that he’d be rucking next year to put it down the throat of X factor mids in Motlop and Durdin.

St Kilda’s mids make Motlop & Durdin look like Judd & Cousins.

 

[Soapy V]

If the TDK rumour is true it is consistent with what has happened (and I have posted over last 6 months or more) Senior group like Voss but are very concerned with game plan and direction. Feel they do everything asked but get picked apart against good opposition. Many feel coaches have no answers

Meetings have been held and coaches have adjusted but it’s been minimal

Players feel they have the talent just not the structure and plan. There have been many comments from other players and coaches about how basic our game plan is

It is a massive issue internally and I feel it’s eating away at our group. They are trying to stick together but it’s getting hard.

Players such as Cripps Walsh Weitering are really struggling with staying positive and getting up each week

The hope is Wright will step in and address some issues and quickly

 

[Soapy V]

If you or anyone else can glean that already, it becomes a very sad indictment of our development coaches.

Monahan was wasted forward of the ball for most of his first season, despite the tried and true method of introducing the Irish boys to our game from behind the ball. His output has improved of late, if it is enough to continue his career remains to be seen.

Duffy has played, I think three games after a delayed start and hasn’t done too much wrong despite having limited game time to date.

Our development is awful and has been for 30 years

 

[Opium]

If the TDK rumour is true it is consistent with what has happened (and I have posted over last 6 months or more) Senior group like Voss but are very concerned with game plan and direction. Feel they do everything asked but get picked apart against good opposition. Many feel coaches have no answers

Meetings have been held and coaches have adjusted but it’s been minimal

Players feel they have the talent just not the structure and plan. There have been many comments from other players and coaches about how basic our game plan is

It is a massive issue internally and I feel it’s eating away at our group. They are trying to stick together but it’s getting hard.

Players such as Cripps Walsh Weitering are really struggling with staying positive and getting up each week

The hope is Wright will step in and address some issues and quickly

This makes sense. The form of Weitering and Cripps especially has nose dived.