List Mgmt. 2025 List Management 📃

[gbatman]

Biggest issue with our list is the lack of players on the fringe or outside our best 22 who can be traded and that has been the case for 20 odd years.

I can't think off too many players we have offloaded who fit into this level who we have traded for something valuable. Usually we are trading our better players or we are giving players away for nothing who are borderline best 22.

Teams like Geelong and Collingwood are routinely trading players who are borderline for picks and players and it adds up over the years.

We have a core group of high level AFL players who we need to keep together otherwise the what I have mentioned above does not change. Keep our core together. We have a good group of top end AFL talent, start losing them and it weakens out list significantly. We need to build the quality of the mid range 22, bottom level 22 and players outside our best 22.

Our situatuion where we are heading into a draft with minimal picks is bad but it would not be an issue if our list was stronger/deeper.

Players on the same level as Fogarty, Binns, Cincoitta, Durdin, Boyd, Moir at other clubs like GWS, Collingwood, Geelong. They are just that little better and if they come onto the market those clubs one, have the replacements to be able to let them go and two, they get something back in return. Those borderline best 22 players at our club, put them on the market and you'd get nothing.

I'd love to trade in, hit the draft and have a solid list turnover with this level of player but as it stands I don't think we have the currency. Unless we get into future picks, are able to somehow make some low level trades that bring in players who add a lot of value to our side.

I think it is just a matter of patience for us. Hopefully we can keep our good players together and we can win a flag or two with an old side with some talented youth around us.


In three years time I am seeing a possible squad that looks similar to the bottom one.

Carroll Weitering O'Farrell
Saad Silvagni Hollands
Smith Cripps ?
Walker Kemp Hollands
Motlop Curnow McKay
DeKoning/O'Keefe Walsh Cerra
Wilson Lord Williams Lord Moir Cottrell Hewett Dean Cowan Camporeale

This is roughly where I see us and it's pretty good. I'm happy to admit that our expierence and maturity could still be better. That we have enough top end talent but the lower end and flanks are poor, slow and lack skills. I think three years is more than enough to build around what we have to generate a premiership quality side.

There are a couple of teams out there who don't shit themselves about having an old list. Collingwood and Geelong and they continually get canned for it but they also regularly win premierships and have done for 20 years. There will be players in this team who will be 31-33 years time. So what, I would like to think that many will play to 34-35. I would like to think the expirence those players have will be enormously valuable.

I am also thinking that paitently we can put together a team better than the one above. Maybe we add some elite wing, half forward and half back talent? Some more pace and some really good kicking skills. Maybe someone like Fritch takes kemp's spot?

There is no need to panic at Carlton regardless of what happens this season. We aren't far off it. We are going to need to show some patience and slowly put the pieces together and be a threat in 2-4 years time and hopefilly regularly from then onwards.

We need to be sinsible about this. Unfortunately everytime Carlton has had a side over the last few years that has trended upwards then dropped, we tend to sack everyone and go through a fullrebuild which is just not the model the better clubs use.

We actually need to go back to being like our old self, no one good leaves Carlton, a we will come good soon attitude.. Nothing wrong with old players etc. Which happens to be the same attitude teams like Collingwood and Geelong have had which has brought them so much success.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Biggest issue with our list is the lack of players on the fringe or outside our best 22 who can be traded and that has been the case for 20 odd years.

I can't think off too many players we have offloaded who fit into this level who we have traded for something valuable. Usually we are trading our better players or we are giving players away for nothing who are borderline best 22.

Teams like Geelong and Collingwood are routinely trading players who are borderline for picks and players and it adds up over the years.

We have a core group of high level AFL players who we need to keep together otherwise the what I have mentioned above does not change. Keep our core together. We have a good group of top end AFL talent, start losing them and it weakens out list significantly. We need to build the quality of the mid range 22, bottom level 22 and players outside our best 22.

Our situatuion where we are heading into a draft with minimal picks is bad but it would not be an issue if our list was stronger/deeper.

Players on the same level as Fogarty, Binns, Cincoitta, Durdin, Boyd, Moir at other clubs like GWS, Collingwood, Geelong. They are just that little better and if they come onto the market those clubs one, have the replacements to be able to let them go and two, they get something back in return. Those borderline best 22 players at our club, put them on the market and you'd get nothing.

I'd love to trade in, hit the draft and have a solid list turnover with this level of player but as it stands I don't think we have the currency. Unless we get into future picks, are able to somehow make some low level trades that bring in players who add a lot of value to our side.

I think it is just a matter of patience for us. Hopefully we can keep our good players together and we can win a flag or two with an old side with some talented youth around us.


In three years time I am seeing a possible squad that looks similar to the bottom one.

Carroll Weitering O'Sullivan
Saad Silvagni Hollands
Smith Cripps ?
Walker Kemp Hollands
Motlop Curnow McKay
DeKoning/O'Keefe Walsh Cerra
Wilson Lord Williams Lord Moir Cottrell Hewett Dean Cowan Camporeale

This is roughly where I see us and it's pretty good. I'm happy to admit that our expierence and maturity could still be better. That we have enough top end talent but the lower end and flanks are poor, slow and lack skills. I think three years is more than enough to build around what we have to generate a premiership quality side.

There are a couple of teams out there who don't shit themselves about having an old list. Collingwood and Geelong and they continually get canned for it but they also regularly win premierships and have done for 20 years. There will be players in this team who will be 31-33 years time. So what, I would like to think that many will play to 34-35. I would like to think the expirence those players have will be enormously valuable.

I am also thinking that paitently we can put together a team better than the one above. Maybe we add some elite wing, half forward and half back talent? Some more pace and some really good kicking skills. Maybe someone like Fritch takes kemp's spot?

There is no need to panic at Carlton regardless of what happens this season. We aren't far off it. We are going to need to show some patience and slowly put the pieces together and be a threat in 2-4 years time and hopefilly regularly from then onwards.

We need to be sinsible about this. Unfortunately everytime Carlton has had a side over the last few years that has trended upwards then dropped, we tend to sack everyone and go through a fullrebuild which is just not the model the better clubs use.

We actually need to go back to being like our old self, no one good leaves Carlton, a we will come good soon attitude.. Nothing wrong with old players etc. Which happens to be the same attitude teams like Collingwood and Geelong have had which has brought them so much success.

That post starts off with a presumed premise (that we must keep our 'core' together) then is littered through with circular logic. We can't get good players because we haven't got good players to trade to get good players but if we have patience we'll have the good players to trade for good players...

I'm waiting patiently for this to work.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Biggest issue with our list is the lack of players on the fringe or outside our best 22 who can be traded and that has been the case for 20 odd years.

I can't think off too many players we have offloaded who fit into this level who we have traded for something valuable. Usually we are trading our better players or we are giving players away for nothing who are borderline best 22.

Teams like Geelong and Collingwood are routinely trading players who are borderline for picks and players and it adds up over the years.

We have a core group of high level AFL players who we need to keep together otherwise the what I have mentioned above does not change. Keep our core together. We have a good group of top end AFL talent, start losing them and it weakens out list significantly. We need to build the quality of the mid range 22, bottom level 22 and players outside our best 22.

Our situatuion where we are heading into a draft with minimal picks is bad but it would not be an issue if our list was stronger/deeper.

Players on the same level as Fogarty, Binns, Cincoitta, Durdin, Boyd, Moir at other clubs like GWS, Collingwood, Geelong. They are just that little better and if they come onto the market those clubs one, have the replacements to be able to let them go and two, they get something back in return. Those borderline best 22 players at our club, put them on the market and you'd get nothing.

I'd love to trade in, hit the draft and have a solid list turnover with this level of player but as it stands I don't think we have the currency. Unless we get into future picks, are able to somehow make some low level trades that bring in players who add a lot of value to our side.

I think it is just a matter of patience for us. Hopefully we can keep our good players together and we can win a flag or two with an old side with some talented youth around us.


In three years time I am seeing a possible squad that looks similar to the bottom one.

Carroll Weitering O'Sullivan
Saad Silvagni Hollands
Smith Cripps ?
Walker Kemp Hollands
Motlop Curnow McKay
DeKoning/O'Keefe Walsh Cerra
Wilson Lord Williams Lord Moir Cottrell Hewett Dean Cowan Camporeale

This is roughly where I see us and it's pretty good. I'm happy to admit that our expierence and maturity could still be better. That we have enough top end talent but the lower end and flanks are poor, slow and lack skills. I think three years is more than enough to build around what we have to generate a premiership quality side.

There are a couple of teams out there who don't shit themselves about having an old list. Collingwood and Geelong and they continually get canned for it but they also regularly win premierships and have done for 20 years. There will be players in this team who will be 31-33 years time. So what, I would like to think that many will play to 34-35. I would like to think the expirence those players have will be enormously valuable.

I am also thinking that paitently we can put together a team better than the one above. Maybe we add some elite wing, half forward and half back talent? Some more pace and some really good kicking skills. Maybe someone like Fritch takes kemp's spot?

There is no need to panic at Carlton regardless of what happens this season. We aren't far off it. We are going to need to show some patience and slowly put the pieces together and be a threat in 2-4 years time and hopefilly regularly from then onwards.

We need to be sinsible about this. Unfortunately everytime Carlton has had a side over the last few years that has trended upwards then dropped, we tend to sack everyone and go through a fullrebuild which is just not the model the better clubs use.

We actually need to go back to being like our old self, no one good leaves Carlton, a we will come good soon attitude.. Nothing wrong with old players etc. Which happens to be the same attitude teams like Collingwood and Geelong have had which has brought them so much success.

O'Sullivan is O'Farrell?

Saad will be gone imo.

 

[ajs071]

O'Sullivan is O'Farrell?

Saad will be gone imo.

Biggest issue with our list is the lack of players on the fringe or outside our best 22 who can be traded and that has been the case for 20 odd years.

I can't think off too many players we have offloaded who fit into this level who we have traded for something valuable. Usually we are trading our better players or we are giving players away for nothing who are borderline best 22.

Teams like Geelong and Collingwood are routinely trading players who are borderline for picks and players and it adds up over the years.

We have a core group of high level AFL players who we need to keep together otherwise the what I have mentioned above does not change. Keep our core together. We have a good group of top end AFL talent, start losing them and it weakens out list significantly. We need to build the quality of the mid range 22, bottom level 22 and players outside our best 22.

Our situatuion where we are heading into a draft with minimal picks is bad but it would not be an issue if our list was stronger/deeper.

Players on the same level as Fogarty, Binns, Cincoitta, Durdin, Boyd, Moir at other clubs like GWS, Collingwood, Geelong. They are just that little better and if they come onto the market those clubs one, have the replacements to be able to let them go and two, they get something back in return. Those borderline best 22 players at our club, put them on the market and you'd get nothing.

I'd love to trade in, hit the draft and have a solid list turnover with this level of player but as it stands I don't think we have the currency. Unless we get into future picks, are able to somehow make some low level trades that bring in players who add a lot of value to our side.

I think it is just a matter of patience for us. Hopefully we can keep our good players together and we can win a flag or two with an old side with some talented youth around us.


In three years time I am seeing a possible squad that looks similar to the bottom one.

Carroll Weitering O'Sullivan
Saad Silvagni Hollands
Smith Cripps ?
Walker Kemp Hollands
Motlop Curnow McKay
DeKoning/O'Keefe Walsh Cerra
Wilson Lord Williams Lord Moir Cottrell Hewett Dean Cowan Camporeale

This is roughly where I see us and it's pretty good. I'm happy to admit that our expierence and maturity could still be better. That we have enough top end talent but the lower end and flanks are poor, slow and lack skills. I think three years is more than enough to build around what we have to generate a premiership quality side.

There are a couple of teams out there who don't shit themselves about having an old list. Collingwood and Geelong and they continually get canned for it but they also regularly win premierships and have done for 20 years. There will be players in this team who will be 31-33 years time. So what, I would like to think that many will play to 34-35. I would like to think the expirence those players have will be enormously valuable.

I am also thinking that paitently we can put together a team better than the one above. Maybe we add some elite wing, half forward and half back talent? Some more pace and some really good kicking skills. Maybe someone like Fritch takes kemp's spot?

There is no need to panic at Carlton regardless of what happens this season. We aren't far off it. We are going to need to show some patience and slowly put the pieces together and be a threat in 2-4 years time and hopefilly regularly from then onwards.

We need to be sinsible about this. Unfortunately everytime Carlton has had a side over the last few years that has trended upwards then dropped, we tend to sack everyone and go through a fullrebuild which is just not the model the better clubs use.

We actually need to go back to being like our old self, no one good leaves Carlton, a we will come good soon attitude.. Nothing wrong with old players etc. Which happens to be the same attitude teams like Collingwood and Geelong have had which has brought them so much success.

Will be staggered if Cripps lasts 3 years. He is nearly cooked IMO.

 

[Stamos]

Will be staggered if Cripps lasts 3 years. He is nearly cooked IMO.

Heard that before...

 

[JJBagger]

Heard that before...

2 more Brownlows coming up

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Will be staggered if Cripps lasts 3 years. He is nearly cooked IMO.

I reckon the game at marvel when he landed on his hip after a marking attempt (North?) is still impacting him - but nothing an offseason won't fix

 

[gbatman]

Will be staggered if Cripps lasts 3 years. He is nearly cooked IMO.

This is exactly what they were saying about Pendlebury in 2022.

Lets see. A lot of players who are cooked are mentally cooked. Playing in a good side changes that. People have been saying Cripps will be cooked for years. Same has been said about Bont. I am not sure he is. I think he is just playing in a crap side.

A lot can change for a player, new coach, injection of talent, motivation returns.

 

[gbatman]

O'Sullivan is O'Farrell?

Saad will be gone imo.

Yes, Rhino is long retired. At 33, that's not too old?

 

[gbatman]

That post starts off with a presumed premise (that we must keep our 'core' together) then is littered through with circular logic. We can't get good players because we haven't got good players to trade to get good players but if we have patience we'll have the good players to trade for good players...

I'm waiting patiently for this to work.

I'll simplify it for you.

We have a good core. Future success is about keeping that in tact.

The talent below that, the fringe best 22 players are poor. The talent below that is not good enough to replace them.

We can't trade from our fringe 22 group because they aren't good enough. Hence trading is a problem for us.

 

[DangerousD]

Heard that before...

But you probably heard it 2-3 years ago, now he is 2-3 years older and having one of his lowest output season of his entire career.

Cripps has never been quick and has always been a combative player, regardless of how good he has been, he’s not immortal, how do you think he will be playing at 33 years of age?

 

[dangertroy]

There are a couple of teams out there who don't shit themselves about having an old list. Collingwood and Geelong and they continually get canned for it but they also regularly win premierships and have done for 20 years.

This is a good excuse to write about something that Ive been pondering.

Age is basically a filter. You only grow old on an AFL list if you’re a player of quality.

Last year I looked at our list and we had two players over 30 - Newman and Doch. I remember looking at it and thinking that’s exciting, because we’ve got a group that is still young and hitting prime age, with a good amount of younger players to come through. But now I look back at it through the lens of how few players we’ve had come through in the preceding period that have made it through to this age bracket. Newman and Doch were both players we traded in too, and currently the jury is out on whether either of them will play on past next season.

This year we’ve got 7 players 30+. Of that group, Cripps is the only player we drafted. For Geelong, it’s 5 of their 9 30+ players they drafted. For Collingwood, it’s 5/10 over 30. Below Cripps, our next 4 players to hit 30 were traded in, and they aren’t all guaranteed to play games for us past 30.

The big positive for us is the 2016 draft class. 4 talls who, fitness permitting, should all play well into their 30s. Below that though, we’ve got very few between them and Walsh that we drafted who are likely to get there - basically TDK, maybe Boyd and Cotters.

Our drafting was really bad between Cripps (2013) and the end of 2021. 66 picks, only 10 left on the list. 4 picks are playing for other clubs, but only a few get regular games. That’s only 21.2% of our picks that have gone on to have a 4+ year afl career. Post 2021 is too early to tell, no delistings so far, but nearly everyone’s on their initial contract and only a handful have been extended.

For comparison, Collingwood has 14/56 picks, with 7 still on other lists (37.5% still playing). Geelong has 14/60 on their list, with 8 on other lists (36.6% still playing). It’s even more impressive, given that their picks would have been much lower than ours across that period. Geelong had 6 top 20 picks in that period. Collingwood had 9. We had 12.

This means we’ve been playing catchup for the better part of 5 years. We’ve had to spend capital, both picks and cap space to cover the years we lost to bad drafting. Prime age players cost the most in terms of picks (Saad and Cerra) and contracts (McGovern, Williams). This has meant we’ve lost more years where we didn’t get a chance at the top end of the draft, and a cap that’s lacking flexibility to either chase or retain.

And yes, it’s also lead to a lack of assets to trade out. Since we drafted Walsh, we haven’t really lost anyone that we’ve regretted. This sounds like a postive, but it means that the players we’ve been happy to let go haven’t brought in any sort of value. Right now, Kennedy is the one that’s hurt us the most, and he got us pick 38.

We’ve been playing playing money ball the last few years because it’s the only game we’ve been able to play. We went big last year to try and grab a star in a good draft. It hasn’t worked for us this year and we face this year with no trade capital in terms of picks, and seemingly little cap space to chase a free agent.

It’s why the club seems so happy to let TDK walk. He’s probably not the piece that we want to lose, but he’ll bring in a high pick and cap space. If he does decide to stay, it’ll be at a price we’re comfortable with, and we pick up some NGA prospects and maybe be a bit more ruthless on players like Doch, Kemp and even JSOS.

The years of bad drafting, bad contracts and expensive trades have left us carrying debt. We have to pay it off and it’s probably going to hurt.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I'll simplify it for you.

We have a good core. Future success is about keeping that in tact.

The talent below that, the fringe best 22 players are poor. The talent below that is not good enough to replace them.

We can't trade from our fringe 22 group because they aren't good enough. Hence trading is a problem for us.

Again, we are simply terrible at developing (improving) players.

Our 'fail' rate must be second to none, bottom 4 at least!

 

[Coona Blues]

This is a good excuse to write about something that Ive been pondering.

Age is basically a filter. You only grow old on an AFL list if you’re a player of quality.

Last year I looked at our list and we had two players over 30 - Newman and Doch. I remember looking at it and thinking that’s exciting, because we’ve got a group that is still young and hitting prime age, with a good amount of younger players to come through. But now I look back at it through the lens of how few players we’ve had come through in the preceding period that have made it through to this age bracket. Newman and Doch were both players we traded in too, and currently the jury is out on whether either of them will play on past next season.

This year we’ve got 7 players 30+. Of that group, Cripps is the only player we drafted. For Geelong, it’s 5 of their 9 30+ players they drafted. For Collingwood, it’s 5/10 over 30. Below Cripps, our next 4 players to hit 30 were traded in, and they aren’t all guaranteed to play games for us past 30.

The big positive for us is the 2016 draft class. 4 talls who, fitness permitting, should all play well into their 30s. Below that though, we’ve got very few between them and Walsh that we drafted who are likely to get there - basically TDK, maybe Boyd and Cotters.

Our drafting was really bad between Cripps (2013) and the end of 2021. 66 picks, only 10 left on the list. 4 picks are playing for other clubs, but only a few get regular games. That’s only 21.2% of our picks that have gone on to have a 4+ year afl career. Post 2021 is too early to tell, no delistings so far, but nearly everyone’s on their initial contract and only a handful have been extended.

For comparison, Collingwood has 14/56 picks, with 7 still on other lists (37.5% still playing). Geelong has 14/60 on their list, with 8 on other lists (36.6% still playing). It’s even more impressive, given that their picks would have been much lower than ours across that period. Geelong had 6 top 20 picks in that period. Collingwood had 9. We had 12.

This means we’ve been playing catchup for the better part of 5 years. We’ve had to spend capital, both picks and cap space to cover the years we lost to bad drafting. Prime age players cost the most in terms of picks (Saad and Cerra) and contracts (McGovern, Williams). This has meant we’ve lost more years where we didn’t get a chance at the top end of the draft, and a cap that’s lacking flexibility to either chase or retain.

And yes, it’s also lead to a lack of assets to trade out. Since we drafted Walsh, we haven’t really lost anyone that we’ve regretted. This sounds like a postive, but it means that the players we’ve been happy to let go haven’t brought in any sort of value. Right now, Kennedy is the one that’s hurt us the most, and he got us pick 38.

We’ve been playing playing money ball the last few years because it’s the only game we’ve been able to play. We went big last year to try and grab a star in a good draft. It hasn’t worked for us this year and we face this year with no trade capital in terms of picks, and seemingly little cap space to chase a free agent.

It’s why the club seems so happy to let TDK walk. He’s probably not the piece that we want to lose, but he’ll bring in a high pick and cap space. If he does decide to stay, it’ll be at a price we’re comfortable with, and we pick up some NGA prospects and maybe be a bit more ruthless on players like Doch, Kemp and even JSOS.

The years of bad drafting, bad contracts and expensive trades have left us carrying debt. We have to pay it off and it’s probably going to hurt.

Nice observations.

What so many here fail to realise is that we have had a significant reset in our list management and have accumulated some very high quality youth in the last couple of years.

As you suggest, most of our over thirties will or should be gone by round one 2027. Many supporters are panicking that our premiership window is closing whereas in fact it is just opening.

While theoretically not bankable, we have some elite talent coming through as we speak. Even more so over coming drafts. We finally have a period of father son bounty coming, as well as a much more effective NGA Academy. It is quite sad that rules around academy and father sons have been modified off the back of the Suns academy and perhaps the Ashcroft boys.
Cody Walker will cost us an arm and leg in draft capital terms. Other clubs have had the best of both worlds with greater discounts and a more “friendly” points system.

I would support a minor clean out of our oldies next off season. We have blooded enough good kids of late that we can largely replace them.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Sacrificing JSoS and even Kemp would be one of the dumbest things this club has done.

 

[Jatz]

This is exactly what they were saying about Pendlebury in 2022.

Lets see. A lot of players who are cooked are mentally cooked. Playing in a good side changes that. People have been saying Cripps will be cooked for years. Same has been said about Bont. I am not sure he is. I think he is just playing in a crap side.

A lot can change for a player, new coach, injection of talent, motivation returns.

I would suggest the big difference is that Cripps has had the shit beaten out of him physically for over a decade. For all of Pendles class, I don't really feel the hard ball resonates with him quite as much.

Not to mention, Pendles has had a much better support cast over the years.

I think it eventually will add up for Crippa.

 

[Juddernaut08]

I agree on his kicking - it looked worse in his draft footage so maybe improved a bit.

We've drafted him so is he a player we look at what he does to well versus what he can't.

I think he is an inside mid ball winner and accumulator. Seems to have an innate sense where the ball is going and gets first hands on the ball at stoppages. With a further pre-season he will be a bit of a bull.

Is this enough ?

If he can be dominant inside, and have decent pace so he's not exposed defensively, there's certainly a place for him.

If he's just pretty good inside, he'd need to become more well rounded to find a spot in the midfield rotations.

IMO given Kennedy is gone, Cripps is 30 and Hewett not far behind, we could use the skillsets of a 21 year old Campo in a few years time.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I would suggest the big difference is that Cripps has had the shit beaten out of him physically for over a decade. For all of Pendles class, I don't really feel the hard ball resonates with him quite as much.

Not to mention, Pendles has had a much better support cast over the years.

I think it eventually will add up for Crippa.

Libba, Ward and Danger would be no different to Cripps.

 

[Jatz]

Libba, Ward and Danger would be no different to Cripps.

Libba, Ward and Danger have all had much better help throughout their careers to assist with the battering they received.

I really struggle to think of another star midfielder that's had to do so much of the heavy lifting himself as what Crippa has had to do.

 

[dangertroy]

I would suggest the big difference is that Cripps has had the shit beaten out of him physically for over a decade. For all of Pendles class, I don't really feel the hard ball resonates with him quite as much.

Not to mention, Pendles has had a much better support cast over the years.

I think it eventually will add up for Crippa.

100%. See Nat Fyfe, not Pendles. I still think Crippa has plenty of good football in him, but he’s played a highly physical brand for more than a decade and it adds up eventually.
In 3 years, I’m hoping we do what the cats have done with Dangerfield (or did with Ablett jr) and play him mainly as a forward who gets a couple of runs on the ball each quarter.

 

[Juddrockz]

I reckon the game at marvel when he landed on his hip after a marking attempt (North?) is still impacting him - but nothing an offseason won't fix

I agree,he hasn't been the same since that fall.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Libba, Ward and Danger have all had much better help throughout their careers to assist with the battering they received.

I really struggle to think of another star midfielder that's had to do so much of the heavy lifting himself as what Crippa has had to do.

Selwood too.

Personally I think it’s a myth. It’s not high impact work it’s about 5 min of wrestling a weekend for half of a year. Someone like Danger puts his body through way more. how he plays will have a lot less impact then genetics, luck, training/conditioning

 

[Jatz]

Selwood too.

Personally I think it’s a myth. It’s not high impact work it’s about 5 min of wrestling a weekend for half of a year. Someone like Danger puts his body through way more. how he plays will have a lot less impact then genetics, luck, training/conditioning

5 mins of wrestling? Yikes.

No wonder you think it's a myth.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

5 mins of wrestling? Yikes.

No wonder you think it's a myth.

Selwood and Kennedy compared to Cripps?

for the vast majority of the game players aren’t actually contesting. Compared to less contested players I’d say it’s less then 5min more of physical contact. He is also rarely getting hit at full speed as most of his work is done at stoppages. He probably gets tackled an extra few times and lay a few more than most mids.

Even Neale is a contested beast.

 

[Stamos]

“Open and honest”: Voss' approach to keep TDK

Carlton coach Michael Voss has given some insight into his approach to keep Tom De Koning at Carlton

sen.com.au