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reubsblues said:
So who we getting to replace Tdk
I don't say Pittonet Or I'll vomit
Id honestly rather Crossley from Southport than pittonet
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Hok probably.

O'Brien has been rumoured, I'm not convinced we'd be after him. I'm higher on him than most seem to be, he's a hard worker who never dies wondering. He's also good for a defensive intercept for a ruck. He's still limited, he's essentially a Pitto who runs better and can mark the ball due to not having tiny hands. So, I wouldn't hate the inclusion. It's not a long term solution but for a season or 2 while Hok still develops I'd be ok with.

Crossley was a big lumbering lump at 18 yrs old, he's not gotten any more athletic since his suspension from the game.
 
reubsblues said:
So who we getting to replace Tdk
I don't say Pittonet Or I'll vomit
Id honestly rather Crossley from Southport than pittonet
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I could see us getting O'Brien or even Moyle so we end up with 2 decent ruckman (Pitto & OBrien/Moyle) competing for 1 spot. Then HOK as a developing ruck and Lewis Young as an emergency.

I can't see us going after a bigger name ruck that requires high $ and picks after letting TDK walk.
 

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Let him go then! He is a great player but not worth more than $1m a season so if Saints want to overpay for a ruck, let them.

I hope we don’t pay overs just to keep him. Surely Wrighty will do the righty by us and make sure we don’t overcook our books worse than they already are!
 
The List is so Simple Blind Freddy could do Many players off contract next 2 years 36 players of list easy to keep TDK.

Tom Morris: “Tom De Koning has told Carlton that he wants to stay, but the issue is he won't sign at the moment because the financial gap is just too big between what St Kilda are offering and what Carlton is offering. It's about $5 million across the seven years

That not even a Million a season are they trying to hold on to Mcgovern, Docherty, Silvagni and Newman. I say let them all go all replaceable keep playing the kids Binns, O'farrell. Carroll and Cowan also Kemp.


Harry McKay  signed to 2030  Trade if you can
Sam Walsh signed to 2026  Trade if you can
Elijah Hollands signed to 2026  Trade if you can if he doesn't want to play
Marc Pittonet  signed to 2027 Too good for VFL but not needed with O'keefe and TDK
Blake Acres signed to 2027 very lucky has 2 years after this should be 2026

Get Rid of Mcgovern and Doc trade Mckay maybe Walsh let Silvagni take other offers play Wetering with O'Farrell down back with Haynes if on the cheap along Carroll bring in Wilson keep Cowan and Holland maybe need a running small to play on gun small forwards.

Get Miles Bergman for Harry Mckay trade Sam Walsh while you get a good pich has back issues needs managing get next year next pick draft getting best pick with Cody Walker likely pick 1. That how you do a small rebuilt keep playing Cerra, Binns, Lord soon Camporeale, Smith along with Hewitt and Cripps, I say try keep getting Motlop to play midfield develop Ashton Moir as a midfield also Miles Bergman playing midfielder. Get Cripps playing more forward like Dangerfield. Let Curnow Play Forward with TDK while he ruck along with O'keefe in Ruck switching up forward with TDK and Lemmey if he can take a forward spot.

This and next year should see Docherty,, Mcgovern maybe Saad, Williams and Newman all 30 gone all replaceable in my opinion also maybe Haynes once O'farrell set in backline Let Silvagni go to keep TDK he is having a great year but doesn't hurt top sides trade Pittonet if you can. Their isn't any big players demanding a lot next year Oliver Hollands   probably the only one with big increase would think Lord, Binns, Cowan and Durdin be easy,


Many players off contract next 2 years 36 players

Carlton Players Out of Contract in 2025   Carlton Player Contracts

Minimum 3 needed in draft but more like 5 as Smith and Kemp are long term injured 2 extra players taking spots. Newman didn't have a player taking spot 5 need to go at least

Name  Years Service     Status
Alex Cincotta     3     Non-Free Agent—-----depends on picks we need
Billy Wilson      2     Non-Free Agent----------------------KEEP
Brodie Kemp       6     Non-Free Agent-----------------KEEP unless Good Trade
Flynn Young       1     Unknown—--depends on contract is 6 or 18 months
Francis Evans     1     Unrestricted Free Agent—------Rid of
Harry Charleson   1     Non-Free Agent----------------------KEEP
Harry Lemmey      3     Non-Free Agent----------------------KEEP
Jack Silvagni     10    Unrestricted Free Agent----- Trade or keep cheap
Jesse Motlop      4    Non-Free Agent------------------KEEP unless Good Trade
Matt Carroll      2     Unrestricted Free Agent----------------------KEEP
Mitch McGovern    7     Non-Free Agent—------Rid of need a spot
Nic Newman  7   Non-Free Agent——likely another year played to well in 2024
Nick Haynes       1     Unrestricted Free Agent——----likely another year or 2
Orazio Fantasia   2     Unrestricted Free Agent—------Rid of surely over kids Voss
Rob Monahan       2     Non-Free Agent—------Rid of but doesn't take spot
Sam Docherty      12    Unrestricted Free Agent——----Retire to keep kids
Tom De Koning     8     Restricted Free Agent-----------Need to-KEEP
Will White  1  Non-Free Agent—-KEEP more likely for smalls played 9 of 13 in year 1

Next Year

Adam Saad   2026  6   Non-Free Agent—- maybe another year if kids spot not taken
Ashton Moir       2026  3     Non-Free Agent—-----KEEP should come good
Cooper Lord       2026  3     Non-Free Agent—------KEEP will not be expensive
Corey Durdin      2026  6     Non-Free Agent--------KEEP Likely cheap
Harry O'Farrell   2026  2     Non-Free Agent-----------KEEP
Hudson O'Keeffe   2026  4     Non-Free Agent--------KEEP
Jaxon Binns    2026 4 Non-Free Agent----KEEP if he is getting games not needing a trade
Jordan Boyd       2026 6     Non-Free Agent—-------Not Sure has to be in 23
Lachlan Cowan     2026  4     Non-Free Agent—--KEEP will not ask for much
Lachlan Fogarty   2026 6     Non-Free Agent—---Not Sure depends if in 23
Lewis Young       2026  5     Non-Free Agent—-------Not Sure has to be in 23
Lucas Camporeale  2026  2     Non-Free Agent---------------------KEEP
Ben Camporeale    2026  2     Non-Free Agent------KEEP
Oliver Hollands   2026  4     Non-Free Agent—--KEEP probably most expensive
Zachary Williams  2026  6  Non-Free Agent—-has to be in 23 not injured and cheap
Matt Duffy  2026  2     Non-Free Agent—------Not Sure but doesn't take spot
 
DamoESP said:
Let him go then! He is a great player but not worth more than $1m a season so if Saints want to overpay for a ruck, let them.

I hope we don’t pay overs just to keep him. Surely Wrighty will do the righty by us and make sure we don’t overcook our books worse than they already are!
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He isn't getting a Million 5 Million doesn't equal a Million a year in 7 years. TDK when he doesn't play we barely win Mcgovern, Newman, Docherty are replacable and even Silvagni and Haynes but i know Haynes will stay cheap doubt Silvagni be as cheap. Trade Mckay and Walsh
 
Chamber JJJ said:
He isn't getting a Million 5 Million doesn't equal a Million a year in 7 years. TDK when he doesn't play we barely win Mcgovern, Newman, Docherty are replacable and even Silvagni and Haynes but i know Haynes will stay cheap doubt Silvagni be as cheap. Trade Mckay and Walsh
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5 million is the gap between our and Saints offer, not the total offer.
 
Ninja Worrier said:
I don't think we are a mile off it but definitely need to increase the quality of our outside runners and small forwards....with a bit of imagination (and good development) we could look something like this (as a starting base) in 2027:

Lachie Cowan - Jacob Weitering - Jack Silvagni
Josh Lindsay - Harry O'Farrell - Oliver Florent
Sam Walsh - Adam Cerra - Jagga Smith
Cody Walker - Charlie Curnow - Flynn Young
Jesse Motlop - Hudson O'Keefe - Corey Durdin

Reilly O'Brien* - Patrick Cripps - Miles Bergman

Cooper Lord - Ollie Hollands - Harry Dean - Billy Wilson - Brodie Kemp
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Hudson O'Keefe isnt a Full Forward where is Matt Carroll his definitely in defense and Keep TDK Silvagni stays only if on the cheap, Harry Lemmey unknown has to be tried better delivery make him a better player playing also on poorer ground might be better on AFL grounds. Reilly O'Brien why you want a spud like that in 22 not sure with Oliver Florent Miles Bergman yes.
 

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ctwenty1 said:
Saints are doing that with a) their performances and b) crowd attendance. They may lower their offer as they realise the money could be better spent elsewhere
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Seems there's a bit of "positioning" going on. We've been hearing via "leaks" that we're ok if he leaves. Now we're hearing from his side via media he'd prefer to stay. Fair chance this is all just about negotiations and putting pressure on the other side (from both sides).
 
Beyond Blue said:
I am surrounded by Eagles supporters in my life and I have never heard one of them say anything positive about Flynn.

TDK dropped about 3 or 4 marks he should have taken and made some really dumb decisions with the ball in hand tonight.

Based on his performances this year he isn’t worth what we are offering him let alone what the Saints are allegedly offering him.

I actually think if the offer size being reported in the media is correct then the Saints need to pull the offer.
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What we’re reportedly offering him he is clearly worth.

The Saints are obviously offering him overs (obviously) to entice him.

He’s still developing - really only emerging now.

I’d be happy if we can cap it at $1-$1.1m for Tom & keep him.

I’m sure Cook & Wright would be supporting List Management & Tom through this.
 
bradfisher14 said:
I reckon TDK 100% stays now.

His management will continue to play chicken with us to get as many dollars as possible, but they've already shown their hand as far as I'm concerned.
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These usually play out that there's talk of big offer from rival and then nek minnut their club blinks and they re-sign. Seems in this case we haven't blinked.
 

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Pretty annoying from SOS.

TDK is great, but not worth wrecking your cap over. If he actually does go to the saints on $1.7 million per year or whatever it is...and assuming they're paying Marshall say $700k - that's ridiculous to have so much tied up in the ruck position.

Mind you, Marshall is no slouch himself. Only 29 and made the AA squad 18 months ago.
 
If TDK does stay, you have to let Williams, Gov and Doc all go. That's if you would like to see SOS (arguably more important than TDK) stay. Pay SOS.
 
woof39 said:
If TDK does stay, you have to let Williams, Gov and Doc all go. That's if you would like to see SOS (arguably more important than TDK) stay. Pay SOS.
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I doubt that's true.
But, we're stuck with Williams for another year. Doc should not be offered another contract. Gov is likely to hit a trigger.

We've offered TDK what we can afford, and we're not forcing SOS out.
 
Stamos said:
I doubt that's true.
But, we're stuck with Williams for another year. Doc should not be offered another contract. Gov is likely to hit a trigger.

We've offered TDK what we can afford, and we're not forcing SOS out.
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If TDK stays we need to let one of McKay Charlie or Walsh go.

We need some collateral to make changes and Wright will make those tough decisions

Bergman is what we need with Wilson stepping up

I still believe game plan/style is biggest issue
 
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