List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[stfan]

It’s incredible how much our team turns over from year to year. Are we normal?

We are rebuilding....

 

[SaintsofSteel]

As was discussed to death at the time.

The draft had a top 7 of quality - all the mids we missed and Tauru.

And then the next 10 or so picks of equal quality.

It’s why we could split 8 and the only offers were like Norths Future first. Moving the pick out.

People are waaaaaayyyyy to quick to write off Travaglia. He was very good in the champs against very good players. He needs a couple of seasons to build a body to go with his aerobic capacity. He also needs to learn about AFL level structures and learnings.

I am not baggining Travaglia, but for a team that needs elite kicking I believe he was an odd selection. What a step down from what Melbourne got with Harvey Langford to us with Travaglia. After the first years performances I would put a lot of the kids taken after Travaglia as far out to the top 30 in front of him.

Yes he is a work in progress body wise, but I remain skeptical that he is going to become the player worthy of a top 10 selection.

 

[hangdog]

Don't agree with that at all. Reid was absolutely in the conversation with the other top mids. All the talk was how there was a clear top 7 mids, not top 6.

Reid was tearing games apart. In terms of on-field performance, his output was miles in front of even the likes of Smillie and FOS. Couldn't have been a safer bet he was going to translate to a good AFL player.

Certainly not writing off Trav, but it was a really odd selection for me. As was Barratt, given what was still available.

Reid and Whitlock were the obvious chocies at the time, and they still look the obvious choices now.

Our drafting has been excellent of late, so hopefully I am dead wrong, but to say the draft had a clear top tier of mids that Reid wasn't apart of, is just not correct.

I'm hoping Barrett gets thrown forward in the VFL next year and 2025 was just a year of defensive focus.

His form as a forward in this U/18 yearwas as good as any of the top rated forwards before he was switched to defence halfway through the season.

 

[stavro#4]

I am not baggining Travaglia, but for a team that needs elite kicking I believe he was an odd selection. What a step down from what Melbourne got with Harvey Langford to us with Travaglia. After the first years performances I would put a lot of the kids taken after Travaglia as far out to the top 30 in front of him.

Yes he is a work in progress body wise, but I remain skeptical that he is going to become the player worthy of a top 10 selection.

We see Travaglia differently.

I thought he was the safest pick in the top 10. You just know pending injuries that he gets 200 AFL games.

What I can’t work out is his ceiling just yet.

Yes not a great kick. But great 1 on 1. Appears to have elite hands. Elite aerobic capacity. Versatile

 

[gringo2011]

Don't agree with that at all. Reid was absolutely in the conversation with the other top mids. All the talk was how there was a clear top 7 mids, not top 6.

Reid was tearing games apart. In terms of on-field performance, his output was miles in front of even the likes of Smillie and FOS. Couldn't have been a safer bet he was going to translate to a good AFL player.

Certainly not writing off Trav, but it was a really odd selection for me. As was Barratt, given what was still available.

Reid and Whitlock were the obvious chocies at the time, and they still look the obvious choices now.

Our drafting has been excellent of late, so hopefully I am dead wrong, but to say the draft had a clear top tier of mids that Reid wasn't apart of, is just not correct.

Not sure I rated Whitlock but as a general concept I think you are right. The top 10 was very good and probably pretty set for the first lot to go. Reid and Trainor types that were absolute elite but with a coiuple of question marks drifted out for what ever reason. Faull and Tauru went the opposite way and surged up late.

The one I would have taken instead of Barrat is Mraz. Looked a really good prospect and in under 17s looked a certain top 10 pick. Had an interrupted 2024 and fell off the radar.

 

[gringo2011]

We see Travaglia differently.

I thought he was the safest pick in the top 10. You just know pending injuries that he gets 200 AFL games.

What I can’t work out is his ceiling just yet.

Yes not a great kick. But great 1 on 1. Appears to have elite hands. Elite aerobic capacity. Versatile

Safest bet of the left over mid types after Reid probably. To me Tauru was a speculative pick. He could have gone either way and probably still could. Trav looks a good safe 200 game player even if he never gets beyond a B grader.

He has the attitude and attributes to be a very good player and only time will tell how good. It was an obscene draft for depth. There are already some very good players in that draft and plenty that look like they could be anything.

It's like all the talent from 2025 spilled into 2024. This one looks poo.

 

[bird_man]

Can’t imagine we are going to pay overs.

We didn’t for Kemp and he would have been similar money

Hopefully not. A mid third round pick seems to be fair value for him with how his form has been this year.

 

[gringo2011]

I'm hoping Barrett gets thrown forward in the VFL next year and 2025 was just a year of defensive focus.

His form as a forward in this U/18 yearwas as good as any of the top rated forwards before he was switched to defence halfway through the season.

He looks a bit under pressure as a KPB. Probably not a bad idea to move him. Or at least bring in a solid VFL player to train him up and protect him at Sandy.

Bringing in Tauru has sent Hammer backwards in defence IMO. Having one exposed KPB is not ideal but carrying two that are a bit prone to getting lost looks a bit dangerous.

 

[gringo2011]

Hopefully not. A mid third round pick seems to be fair value for him with how his form has been this year.

Yeah, you are buying a guy who looks no more advanced than a drafted kid. I'd be a bit concerned about giving up too much for him too.

 

[stavro#4]

Safest bet of the left over mid types after Reid probably. To me Tauru was a speculative pick. He could have gone either way and probably still could. Trav looks a good safe 200 game player even if he never gets beyond a B grader.

He has the attitude and attributes to be a very good player and only time will tell how good. It was an obscene draft for depth. There are already some very good players in that draft and plenty that look like they could be anything.

It's like all the talent from 2025 spilled into 2024. This one looks poo.

I reckon you’ll get decent value in the 10-20 range this year.

Looks a poor top and bottom end.

Tauru was the bolter. If you believe in the rise. Then he is the next Bont/Oliver/Sidebottom type of riser.

 

[gringo2011]

We are rebuilding....

We are sort of having a bet each way. We have done a massive turnover and focussed on the draft but should have a pretty solid group of bulk youth now.

Really need to start adding pieces and honing it up. Too many kids puts you in North Melbourne territory and it's hard to kick start a stalled side. It also gets hard to attract players in when you look stuck at the bottom.

 

[stavro#4]

Hopefully not. A mid third round pick seems to be fair value for him with how his form has been this year.

Well we have form to back away and that’s backing away from getting one over Carlton

if you believe the SOS narrative.

 

[gringo2011]

I reckon you’ll get decent value in the 10-20 range this year.

Looks a poor top and bottom end.

Tauru was the bolter. If you believe in the rise. Then he is the next Bont/Oliver/Sidebottom type of riser.

Tauru has looked good early but ordinary lately. He's an absolutely could be anything type but then so could Boxshall and Trav. The good part is that there is enough youth to not have all our eggs in a small basket now. I imagine that like all high picks there is about 10% chance they become A grade or above, 60% they become good solid players and 30% chance that they break down, don't meet expectation or aren't very good/applied too their craft or whatever the formula is.

I'm hoping that all the bad luck that we had over the last 20 years comes back with interest and we over achieve. Brisbane couldn't find a good player to save themselves and then all of a sudden they ended up with too many good players and find guns done the back of the couch.

 

[gringo2011]

Well we have form to back away and that’s backing away from getting one over Carlton

if you believe the SOS narrative.

That was a weird one. It was like us getting an offer on Wilson or something but then them offering a third rounder. I don't know if that wasn't throwing bombs at Carlton to unsettle them like offering Weitering a million dollar contract knowing he was under contract.

 

[stavro#4]

Tauru has looked good early but ordinary lately. He's an absolutely could be anything type but then so could Boxshall and Trav. The good part is that there is enough youth to not have all our eggs in a small basket now. I imagine that like all high picks there is about 10% chance they become A grade or above, 60% they become good solid players and 30% chance that they break down, don't meet expectation or aren't very good/applied too their craft or whatever the formula is.

I'm hoping that all the bad luck that we had over the last 20 years comes back with interest and we over achieve. Brisbane couldn't find a good player to save themselves and then all of a sudden they ended up with too many good players and find guns done the back of the couch.

He is also a baby finding his way (Tauru).

He hasn’t done a proper pre season a few years. Needs a few summers in the gym.

I’m very excited by him.

 

[stavro#4]

That was a weird one. It was like us getting an offer on Wilson or something but then them offering a third rounder. I don't know if that wasn't throwing bombs at Carlton to unsettle them like offering Weitering a million dollar contract knowing he was under contract.

Player had agreed to come and Carlton wanted a premium on his actual value.

 

[Geezington]

It’ll be nice having a good ruckman next year, Marshall ruck work is ****ing terrible he’s good around the ground that’s it

 

[Coconut_twirl]

Leek Aliir playing very nicely today. Definitely can fill a need and there might be some upside.

 

[botts]

Man we are gonna miss windy next year. He’s definitely worth a first round pick though

 

[The Boar]

Look at the picks 10-15 from the last decade. You really think Windhager is going to be worst than 7 of those players?

Every draft is completely mutually exclusive of the next. There are no guarantees but I would back Dalrymple in to nail a pick like that.

 

[StCicatriz]

My call to trade Wilson aged amazingly.

Only kicked 5.

 

[vanders]

I hope you guys decide to play another young fella next year in place of Zak Jones

3

Zak Jones

Age

30

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.1

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

CL

4.9

5star

D

7.0

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.6

4star

CL

1.0

3star

.

Also that Travaglia kid looks like he will be a player. Onwards and upwards Sainters

 

[gringo2011]

He is also a baby finding his way (Tauru).

He hasn’t done a proper pre season a few years. Needs a few summers in the gym.

I’m very excited by him.

He's got raw talent but looks a few years off

 

[ronnysnodgrass]

Thought Aliir looked pretty good today, can see him fitting in well if it happens.

 

[StCicatriz]

Man we are gonna miss windy next year. He’s definitely worth a first round pick though

He's now our best inside mid.

We can't afford for him to leave.