List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[Veer Right]

Previous pages - No updates, just pages of mind numbing reading that you have to fast skim through or else you would need a lot of neurofen to ward off the coming headache.

 

[akaifu]

Yeah. Think I heard we will offer him a one year contract

We already have. He wants two

Given his underwhelming finish to the season I suspect he settles for the one unless one of the SA clubs puts in an offer and he gets traded

 

[From 45]

I haven't heard that saying for 20 years ,

That’s because you’re never happy

 

[jimmytigs]

thanks re my earlier request,bookmark working properly now,the ones i attempted to bookmark earlier were there when i got back,so must have just been a delay

waitress with big juggs seems to be gone,didnt want to ask the other waitresses"wheres the one with the big milk?"because i know no other way to ask,so couldnt clarify,i will be mourning her assumed loss,good practise if Naz decision goes the wrong way

 

[_Maximus_12]

We already have. He wants two

Given his underwhelming finish to the season I suspect he settles for the one unless one of the SA clubs puts in an offer and he gets traded

a lot will depend on Marshall, TDK & Heath

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Ben Williams def in town. at a deli in Brighton with Nas atm

And what meats and cheeses are they having a gander at?

 

[Leap of Faith]

Victim mentality on show

Who cares about the ground? They were wining well before than, kept winning while it was built and won after.

What every happened to anyone, anytime, anywhere?

I get what you're saying. But just slapping the victim mentality label on and ignoring obvious and apparent advantages that have been given doesn't give a balanced view IMO.

 

[SG34]

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All strength to the club to call out every decision by the AFL or other stakeholders that put us at a disadvantage, such as Geelong's licence to print cash stadium that you and I and every other taxpayer paid for.

Absolutely.
Even though the whole thing is rigged and 'structurally' set up to favor certain teams, within that crooked template, competitive behaviors are at work. Clubs are always lobbying, directly and indirectly. Collingwood! Look at their amazing fixtures for decades. How many times at the Cattery? And inside the media too. So Kane Cornes deliberately targets vulnerable soft spots. He says St Kilda are the biggest whingers etc, and although it is obviously bait, we must play cool heads nonetheless.

There is competition at multiple levels, all co-occurring, ike a dynamic system. Even among fans, even among us. even within us! Have to keep cool. But where is the fun in that? Paradox.

Meanwhile, we should punch where and when we can, carefully and strategically. The others will.

And by the way, it is perfectly safe to say nuffy.

EDIT
And I think its perfectly legit for supporters to worry about us as being perceived as whingers too. Like losers. Which is directly what Cornes and Kingy were implying when they suggested that some teams can only throw money around.

Perceptions count.

We have to balance player and supporter unrest.

Tough

I know I always carry on about the amount of hate Bradley Hill gets, but how has it hurt the team?

Perhaps it has? Hill has made a major contribution from 2022.

Hannebury?

It doesn't all add up, but parts of it does seem to.

When the media bomb us as a looser club that only has ridiculous money for marginal stars, it hurts, I suppose.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Ben Williams def in town. at a deli in Brighton with Nas atm

Not here. Still in Adelaide

Where’s a Google Maps ITK when ya need ‘em

 

[unrelentingbelief]

Man I miss Paddy Ryder today for some reason

 

[AFaiL]

Nothing, but if we're quoting Ross, let's let the cobblers doing the cobbling. I'll cop the criticism of Ross and nepo babies and all that, but our administration have every right, and a duty, to call it out when we get the spiky end of the pineapple.

You want St Kilda to know our place. Plenty of people who think the same will be at the game tonight wearing red and black but not white.

All strength to the club to call out every decision by the AFL or other stakeholders that put us at a disadvantage, such as Geelong's licence to print cash stadium that you and I and every other taxpayer paid for.

I understand your points. We have been our biggest enemy whilst there has been inequality in the AFL. So, until we get out own house in order, crying to the AFL about FS/Academy isn't doing to change the fact we are poorly run.

Add to that, we are pushing to remove the FS rule when we have at least 5-6 potential FS picks on the way. Why try and remove something that may end up finally benefitting us? I understand there are no guarantees but there is every chance a Lenny Hayes jnr is playing at a different club, all thanks to our own stupidity.

Somebody make it make sense to me?

 

[buck12]

We already have. He wants two

Given his underwhelming finish to the season I suspect he settles for the one unless one of the SA clubs puts in an offer and he gets traded

Port would actually be wise to do this if they really recognise how much of a freak Nas is.

 

[akaifu]

Port would actually be wise to do this if they really recognise how much of a freak Nas is.

Keeler for Whitlock straight swap

 

[buck12]

Keeler for Whitlock straight swap

I’d say where do I sign if it didn’t cost us Nas.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I understand your points. We have been our biggest enemy whilst there has been inequality in the AFL. So, until we get out own house in order, crying to the AFL about FS/Academy isn't doing to change the fact we are poorly run.

Add to that, we are pushing to remove the FS rule when we have at least 5-6 potential FS picks on the way. Why try and remove something that may end up finally benefitting us? I understand there are no guarantees but there is every chance a Lenny Hayes jnr is playing at a different club, all thanks to our own stupidity.

Somebody make it make sense to me?

Sure. In the general landscape the only true equaliser for small clubs is the draft. FS and NGA only serve to make the situation worse. Our club is going for a percentage play to restore the base level of equalisation at the cost of a possible jackpot later in time.

 

[The Punter]

I understand your points. We have been our biggest enemy whilst there has been inequality in the AFL. So, until we get out own house in order, crying to the AFL about FS/Academy isn't doing to change the fact we are poorly run.

Add to that, we are pushing to remove the FS rule when we have at least 5-6 potential FS picks on the way. Why try and remove something that may end up finally benefitting us? I understand there are no guarantees but there is every chance a Lenny Hayes jnr is playing at a different club, all thanks to our own stupidity.

Somebody make it make sense to me?

Because it's a ridiculous, idiosyncratic, anachronistic rule that places some modicum of success on the ability of past players to sire sons. It perverts the sole objective of the draft to give the worst teams the best access to talent entering the league. It adds nothing to the league: it doesn't increase attendance or support.

"The Riewoldts are coming!"

The. Hope. Keeps. You. In. Your. Place. Where. They. Want. You.

 

[Sainter62]

I’d say where do I sign if it didn’t cost us Nas.

Yuck. Keeler has the attributes to become a star ....... he just needs to recognise it and want it

 

[Moquo]

Because it's a ridiculous, idiosyncratic, anachronistic rule that places some modicum of success on the ability of past players to sire sons. It perverts the sole objective of the draft to give the worst teams the best access to talent entering the league. It adds nothing to the league: it doesn't increase attendance or support.

"The Riewoldts are coming!"

The. Hope. Keeps. You. In. Your. Place. Where. They. Want. You.

Yes, just because at some point it could possibly benefit us does not make it right.

 

[The Punter]

Absolutely.
Even though the whole thing is rigged and 'structurally' set up to favor certain teams, within that crooked template, competitive behaviors are at work. Clubs are always lobbying, directly and indirectly. Collingwood! Look at their amazing fixtures for decades. How many times at the Cattery? And inside the media too. So Kane Cornes deliberately targets vulnerable soft spots. He says St Kilda are the biggest whingers etc, and although it is obviously bait, we must play cool heads nonetheless.

There is competition at multiple levels, all co-occurring, ike a dynamic system. Even among fans, even among us. even within us! Have to keep cool. But where is the fun in that? Paradox.

Meanwhile, we should punch where and when we can, carefully and strategically. The others will.

And by the way, it is perfectly safe to say nuffy.

Firstly, I didn't think nuffy meant what it did. I thought it meant something like "overly enthusiastic in an uncool way person".

Collingwood don't play in Geelong because Geelong don't want to play Collingwood in Geelong. At least maximising attendances has a wider financial benefit to the league through equalisation revenue. There are ways to make the fixture better while keeping revenue rich blockbusters.

 

[buck12]

Yuck. Keeler has the attributes to become a star ....... he just needs to recognise it and want it

How many seasons in the system are you giving him before giving up on that?

 

[botts]

Where’s a Google Maps ITK when ya need ‘em

To be honest. I don’t know. I’m just calling bull shit until someone backs it up

 

[Saints43]

Good post re the victim mentality. And agree with you re Geelong being a damn well managed club. The evidence is there to see as you have outlined. However, it's not exactly a level playing field. They have their own recently completed, upgraded 40,000 + stadium. It's a fortress when you look at their record there. Must be 95% plus pro them crowd when they play at home and I have no idea of the actual numbers but would be very surprised if the financials on their home games aren't off the charts compared to our home games at Marvel - 11 or 12 times every season. But yep their management, stability and player development is best in the comp.

If the State Government had pumped $260M into our club across 30 years we might've pulled ourselves up by our own bootstraps like the plucky cats.

 

[stavro#4]

To be honest. I don’t know. I’m just calling bull shit until someone backs it up

There is a joke and some great photo opportunities here.

But fun has been banned from this thread.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Haven’t got the radio on - any updates?

 

[stavro#4]