List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[FraserGehrigsHair]

You and Aussierules will get along like a house on fire!

Do you have a tl,dr version? Serious.

LOL, fair enough. Was something I needed to get off my chest!

The TLDR is that AFL journalists are not meeting basic journalism standards when reporting on contract negotiations. They are clearly repeating information being spoon fed to them by player managers who have direct financial interests in the outcome. The journalists don't declare where they are getting the information from - they give the player managers anonymity - and they don't independently verify the information from a second source before reporting it. Which is journalistic malpractice at best, and at worst is a form of corruption. And it has become such common practice nobody even notices anymore.

 

[bergholt]

1. Anonymous sources. In standard journalism practice you don’t grant your source anonymity unless there is a really good reason. And the reason can’t be just because they want you to. Usually there has to be repercussions for the source if they are named. If a player manager tells you that a player they represent is getting lots of offers from different clubs, then it is obviously in their financial interest for you to report that. In that circumstance the manager should never be granted anonymity in the media coverage. Either the manager comments on the record, or you don’t print the story. The only reason you would give a player manager the option of anonymity is if they were telling you something that could harm their own interests - say commenting on a story about performance enhancing drugs, for example.
2. Sole sourcing. Standard practice is you need multiple sources for a story. ESPECIALLY if the sources will only comment off the record. So if a player manager says they are fielding interest form club X and club Y, you need to confirm the story with those clubs before reporting it as fact. Otherwise you shouldn't print it - certainly you shouldn't report it as fact.

Mostly agree but it's not quite that simple. The list managers play the game along with the player managers. So Windy's manager goes to a couple of random list managers and says "hey mate I need you to take a look at Marcus, if a journo asks say you're considering him please". Everyone knows what's happening but it's no skin off the nose of the other random list manager - in fact it's good for them to be seen as chasing other players - so they say "ok sure" and that way they're a direct source for the rumour.

 

[stavro#4]

Geelong have been playing finals for the past 20 years and a lot of that was top 4 finishes. They already have the core in place, we dont hence topping up with cast offs now is way too early in our development curb in my view.

Create your best 23. Include TDK Ryan and Aleer.


Makes it absolutely tough to do with some names others would think should be in that side plays magoos

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Why Acres, we don’t need another ruckman??

 

[Joffaboy]

100% agree.

Macrae was recruited to keep the midfield ticking over as the younger generation comes through to replace.

He has fulfilled that and more - plus we don't know the work he has done off the field to teach the youngsters with his professionalism and craft.

I think it's a great sign if Macrae starts to be pushed out of the middle.

But the opinion that he is cooked is just so far from being accurate that it should be called out.

I don't think people know how important Macrae has been this year in the development of our young at training. He is always working with them, talking, directing, coaching.
He doesn't get talked about like Wood however he is an invaluable mentor to the kids.

 

[Holy Hunter Clark]

Welcome back, Daniel Wulf.

Josh Saunders

 

[thekizzler]

Josh Saunders

Brodie Murdoch.

 

[akaifu]

I am chiefly concerned how Dodson gets seniors time with TDK incoming. TDK isn't worth the coin but he costs nothing in trade so i am just ok with it. Can also see the TDK contract blowing up in the clubs face if he doesn't perform strongly.

It’s fine to keep Dodson in the 2s to develop his craft

If we land TDK, we also have more flexibility to manage Marshall whose body is beyond its prime. Keep him cherry ripe for finals. Also, one of them is bound to miss a few games here and there

3-5 games next year for Dodson is my prediction which is a good return for a 2nd year ruck

 

[Miha]

I’ve blanked out the last couple days due to poor health and return to Blake Acres

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Blake Acres

Age

30

Ht

193cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

8.9

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.9

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

7.7

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.0

3star

D

8.2

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.8

4star

reunion at RSEA

The juggernaut has truely risen

 

[SainterinSydney]

Why Acres, we don’t need another ruckman??

I see what you did there

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Good morning, here is a photo of an elephant drinking from 10 feet away at our accommodation last night.
Lighten the day for you lot working and shit.

What does the elephant think about getting TDK?

 

[Veer Right]

I don't think people know how important Macrae has been this year in the development of our young at training. He is always working with them, talking, directing, coaching.
He doesn't get talked about like Wood however he is an invaluable mentor to the kids.

Agree, i attribute a lot of what i see from Box, Garcia and Windy with their improvement this year to Macraes arrival. He is invaluable.

 

[OxSaint]

Well to be fair to Acres, he never wanted to go in the first place. But at 29yr 10mth, contracted till end of 2027, that would seem to be most unlikely that we would. I like him as a player though.

Besides we more need another quick inside mid if we want to "move the dial". It would be exciting if Hall could become that player as he was dynamic in that last quarter against the Dees.

You would only look at acres if you weren’t committed to Brad Hill and Mason Wood next year.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Or my all-time favorite, Jason Daniels!!

Daniels & Caydn Beetham the worst kickers I've seen at the Saints.
Although Beetham was diagnosed with a condition? that affected his kicking & caused him to retire at a young age.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Hey, hey, those kinds of slurs could get you 6 weeks and miss the finals

Lets hope so

 

[Joffaboy]

Outside of Walsh and prior to that Rowell.

Nope.

Flanders is CaptainRisky news. Direct questions to him. Would be a great get if we could.

Thought Flanders was a gringo2011 speculator

 

[stfan]

Why Acres,

Well the post was that the Saints player would like to come back.....as opposed that the Club would like to get him back.


Two very different things.

 

[akaifu]

I don't think people know how important Macrae has been this year in the development of our young at training. He is always working with them, talking, directing, coaching.
He doesn't get talked about like Wood however he is an invaluable mentor to the kids.

I always thought recruiting an A grade mid to rely on was the only way to get our midfield up to standard

Turns out recruiting an A-grade leader to teach the entire midfield group to rely on each other could be even better

 

[stavro#4]

Thought Flanders was a gringo2011 speculator

All I’m saying is that it is his news.

I know nothing about it.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Well the post was that the Saints player would like to come back.....as opposed that the Club would like to get him back.


Two very different things.

Well done mate , good to see some understand

 

[BilboJackins]

An exclusive from St Kilda Insider FB page.

Possibly the only source less reliable than Rucci

Whatever happened to the trade whisperer?

 

[OxSaint]

It’s fine to keep Dodson in the 2s to develop his craft

If we land TDK, we also have more flexibility to manage Marshall whose body is beyond its prime. Keep him cherry ripe for finals. Also, one of them is bound to miss a few games here and there

3-5 games next year for Dodson is my prediction which is a good return for a 2nd year ruck

Exactly, the has shown promise early. But the likes of Billings, Dunstan, Acres, McCartin, Goddard and Gresham all showed promise early. You don’t stop recruiting talent just in case the youth become stars years down the track.

 

[Saintbloke]

I am chiefly concerned how Dodson gets seniors time with TDK incoming. TDK isn't worth the coin but he costs nothing in trade so i am just ok with it. Can also see the TDK contract blowing up in the clubs face if he doesn't perform strongly.

I think TDK is more like the Jason Blake type, who was a valuable player for us- can be swung into attack or defence, and the ruck to patch holes when needed.

 

[CursingFijian]

I don't see how this thread can move on until we collect all the left nuts that were put on the table in the last 12 weeks.

 

[thekizzler]

Whatever happened to the trade whisperer?

Tony Sheahan?

I'm sure he will rear up with his bull**** once Trade Period gets closer.