List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[g_TRAIN]

It's just the way it is. If we don't pony up the reality is he can force his way out. There's a big risk to frontloading contracts for guys in their prime and we aren't the first club to find that out...

History tells us that this doesn't happen.

When a club wants to keep a player they hold them to their contract.

 

[SaintOfLondon]

I know this isn't your argument, but I hate this reasoning.

Crowd numbers shouldn't matter. The Cats should never have to play Collingwood, Melbourne, Richmond or Essendon at the G as a home game, period.

And I hate the Cats.

They'll happily have Sydney play GWS at the Giants home ground (-25000 potential tickets at a minimum), or Brisbane play at GC's home ground (-12000 tickets).

Couldn’t agree more, crowd numbers as a way to justify ridiculous decisions is laughable. And I say it as someone who also hates Geelong.

 

[TheJackal]

Couldn’t agree more, crowd numbers as a way to justify ridiculous decisions is laughable. And I say it as someone who also hates Geelong.

Isn't it a contractual agreement with the MCC,as opposed to numbers?

 

[Pardon me]

Isn't it a contractual agreement with the MCC,as opposed to numbers?

This is my understanding also.
1 of this weeks finals had to be at the ‘G as far as I’m aware.
This is the only game that makes sense.

 

[Broski]

I’m a simple man. I hate every supporter that doesn’t support my team. Keep it simple.

 

[Moquo]

The dog's supporters think they are a genuine chance to get Wilkie and that we are rattled

Encourage them. Tell them you've heard it's happening. Get their hopes up!

 

[Remboy]

I’m a simple man. I hate every supporter that doesn’t support my team. Keep it simple.

I'm more simple than that. I hate them too lol.

 

[Remboy]

Encourage them. Tell them you've heard it's happening. Get their hopes up!

Yeah, tell them they've offered a 3rd and we're holding out for a second but the Dogs won't budge lol.

 

[snails13]

Encourage them. Tell them you've heard it's happening. Get their hopes up!

Dont know what there confident about,no one has walked out on us since Battle

 

[Ads734]

I’m a simple man. I hate every supporter that doesn’t support my team. Keep it simple.

Agreeed hate is the baseline but severe hate for

1. Carlton
2. Geelong
3. Collingwood

 

[wannabewinner]

If another club is coming in and offering Wilkie $1m a year he has every right in the world to go back to the club and ask to renegotiate his deal. If it happened with my employer it's sure as shit what I would do! He's got maybe five more years of great earning potential before he retires, and he's got the right to try and earn every cent he can to set himself and his family up for the future. I hope we can afford to come to the table and pay him a bit closer to what he's worth, because he is St Kilda through and through.

I dunno. Dogs chasing a contracted 29 year old player after losing a FA from the club which lost the FA. The player being chased is a former AA and in great form. Just feels like sour grapes to me. Dogs trying to pull a Boyd.

 

[Sir Owens]

Shows it’s all in the timing.
Could’ve got a lot in a trade for him if we’d let him go when he first asked.

I’m wondering whether the same will happen if we keep Ro now and then trade him after a year if it’s not working.

Sliding doors decisions.

I love Marshall, but surely the right thing to do is take a first-round pick for him.

 

[jwikked]

I love Marshall, but surely the right thing to do is take a first-round pick for him.

Depends. What good is pick 15 in a draft many are saying isn't that deep?

 

[CursingFijian]

If another club is coming in and offering Wilkie $1m a year he has every right in the world to go back to the club and ask to renegotiate his deal. If it happened with my employer it's sure as shit what I would do! He's got maybe five more years of great earning potential before he retires, and he's got the right to try and earn every cent he can to set himself and his family up for the future. I hope we can afford to come to the table and pay him a bit closer to what he's worth, because he is St Kilda through and through.

I don’t necessarily subscribe to this point of view. I think Wilkie has the potential to be a future coach, administrator or commentator within the AFL industry.

I think that sometimes honoring your commitment to a club can strengthen your future earning power post football not just with your club, but within the industry.

It’s about building a brand that can endure.

 

[Broski]

Agreeed hate is the baseline but severe hate for

1. Carlton
2. Geelong
3. Collingwood

Due to my impressively large brain, I tend to create reasons why I hate each team. As you could probably tell, I am insufferable.

 

[CaptainRisky]

I believe he was jangling some Lexus keys on his way out

Hope he got something better than a stinkin Toyota with a different badge on it

 

[snails13]

Depends. What good is pick 15 in a draft many are saying isn't that deep?

Trade bait

 

[snails13]

Depends. What good is pick 15 in a draft many are saying isn't that deep?

If Marshall's contract payments are the way another posted earlier today maybe Geelongs 1st and a player.

 

[SaintersUnite]

If we trade Marshall to Geelong I’d much rather a future 1st compared to this seasons draft.

 

[joydivision22]

Ross Lyon and more importantly Tony74 said Ro is going nowhere. More than comfortable with that - Geelong can seriously GaGF. Wouldn’t make them better for P18 and their F1.

We need to improve and moving Marshall doesn’t make any sense if we’re bringing in senior bodies to help us have a genuine crack at it.

Can’t understand why anyone would think that doing Geelong a huge favour is worthwhile for picks in terrible drafts.

Hoping the below would be sufficient for Flanders but I’d be just as happy to send them our P7 without anything coming back.

Flanders + GC P30 for StK P7

 

[Sunshine Sainter]

Fair enough, my apologies.

I have been talking for some time, however, on how the differences between offers has to be bigger than the 300-400k you have suggested in your post. TDK is the latest example. Ablett Jnr and Scully were others.

On the other hand, players can move for other reasons. Josh Battle is playing finals, has an AA blazer and his wife is happy.

But is she "really" happy? Will she ever be happy?

 

[goodie23]

Depends. What good is pick 15 in a draft many are saying isn't that deep?

It's not a great deal but it depends on the bigger picture. We have to take 2 or 3 players in this not deep draft, depending on whether we elevate anyone from the rookie list. With the recruits coming in not sure we'll take more.

Say we elevate Sharman (I think is still rookie list, can't keep track any more. There is also Hall and Caminiti.), we use a later pick on Fincher - our 3rd rounder (which will float up as picks get swallowed up by all the other bidding on Uwland, Patterson, Annable, Dean, King, etc.). Our other moves will depend on who we take with our third pick. If we trade our first in pursuit of MacKenzie, Ryan, Flanders et al. that leaves us picking in the 4th round, not an enviable place.

Then the idea of trading our beloved 30 year old ruckman for a first round pick doesn't look so bad. On the other hand if we hang onto our first and aren't sure we'll use the pick, we're better off hanging onto Marshall. We may even think a future first is a better play.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

I love Marshall, but surely the right thing to do is take a first-round pick for him.

Who's giving us a 1st rounder? for him

 

[austinnn]

Due to my impressively large brain, I tend to create reasons why I hate each team. As you could probably tell, I am insufferable.

Out of this year's finalists, the only club I dislike is Hawthorn. They are like the w***er neighbour who invested in Apple in the eighties or has a really good job that didn't get affected by the global economic crisis. Better choices and quietly smug about it. Says more about me than them, but im sick of them doing well while we struggle. Also, I used to like Ginnivan but then I saw the treatment he gave Nas - how dare you touch the great man! Gagf hawks.

When it comes to winning the cup though, that's different:

Obvs not Hawks.

No to any maiden cups before our second, so that sadly writes off Dockers, Giants, and Suns.

I reckon if Chris Scott wins another, he'll probably step down and the pressure will be on Enright to come back, so no to the Cats either, although I respect the club in general - they were cunning with Cotton On and the farms but I've got a feeling we aren't in a position to criticise there.

I don't really mind the Crows or Pies getting another one, their GFs against us were too long ago to really upset me, no probs with the Lions getting another either although winning on the back of such assistance from the league is a bit annoying.

On reflection I think I'll go for the Pies this year, but anyone but Hawthorn will be OK.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Out of this year's finalists, the only club I dislike is Hawthorn. They are like the w***er neighbour who invested in Apple in the eighties or has a really good job that didn't get affected by the global economic crisis. Better choices and quietly smug about it. Says more about me than them, but im sick of them doing well while we struggle. Also, I used to like Ginnivan but then I saw the treatment he gave Nas - how dare you touch the great man! Gagf hawks.

When it comes to winning the cup though, that's different:

Obvs not Hawks.

No to any maiden cups before our second, so that sadly writes off Dockers, Giants, and Suns.

I reckon if Chris Scott wins another, he'll probably step down and the pressure will be on Enright to come back, so no to the Cats either, although I respect the club in general - they were cunning with Cotton On and the farms but I've got a feeling we aren't in a position to criticise there.

I don't really mind the Crows or Pies getting another one, their GFs against us were too long ago to really upset me, no probs with the Lions getting another either although winning on the back of such assistance from the league is a bit annoying.

On reflection I think I'll go for the Pies this year, but anyone but Hawthorn will be OK.

I dont like any of the vic teams in this year's finals.
The one team l think who should win the GF is GWS
They've been round-abouts for awhile now.