List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[Joffaboy]

Unsurprising. Like Wilks, is contracted so cough up Cats, maybe a Cotton On Franchise to pass in to NAZ IN a couple of years.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

That's fine
Can't wait?
To hear what they think he is worth

 

[PJays]

If we lose Marshall and Windhager.... that's a pair of own goals by St Kilda.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

If we lose Marshall and Windhager.... that's a pair of own goals by St Kilda.

Yeah, l was preferring to add to the list with trades
not lose any players off it
Surprised those two aren't in on our vision.
Can get their reasons for leaving too though.
Definately conflicted with this.

 

[StCicatriz]

Marshall to Geelong seems inevitable.

Does that mean we retain Moose

Without him leaves us with TDK Dodson Keeler

 

[StCicatriz]

Must Keep: windy (future captain)

50/50: Marshall

Can go: Steele Moose (keep if Marshall goes)

 

[StCicatriz]

Cats are in a flag window. IMO they'll part with a first for Marshall no worries.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

If we lose Marshall and Windhager.... that's a pair of own goals by St Kilda.

If you had your way we would be sitting in No Mans land forever

Too scared to spend ... too scared to move players on

 

[Mstr Strokesman]

With all the analysis of every component of this great game ,I never see the balance of home grown players v traded in.
I have always been of the opinion the home grown talent should always exceed the traded in ,but also your Captain always be of home grown variety.
We haven’t started trade week and some minor cracks amongst the new v the old players and wages are appearing; Windy,Marshall.The only saving grace is RTB is a string no nonsense coach.
The last factor we need is to lose Windy a player we don’t have anyone else like his skillset.Prefer to lose Steele, our Captain I know ,but his use by date is up.
I think it might take 6 months for everyone to bed down their positions and understanding of each other, and click in the back half of next year.
So what I would ideally like to see
Windy stay and be in the leadership group.Pay like 600k, with 200 on incentives for team performance of ladder position.Give a Cherry car if needed.
Marshall to stay and play forward next to King.
If Windy leaves ,throw in Heath to Melbourne for Harley Langford, dream result I know.
Marshall to Geelong for a player like Close,Holmes SDK,O Sullivan .You have to give to get cats.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Cats are in a flag window. IMO they'll part with a first for Marshall no worries.

Would be good to have two decent Ruckman on the list, for depth mainly
Rarely works out having two though, think Gawn & Grundy & especially if on big $$$.

 

[longtimesaint]

Would be good to have two decent Ruckman on the list, for depth mainly
Rarely works out having two though, think Gawn & Grundy.

Have we not learned after trading McEvoy and Stanley and watching them be a part of a premiership team.
We were short in forwards and backs this year and always in danger if Marshall got injured.
Do we want to be in the same position with just De Kining?

 

[jwikked]

Cats are in a flag window. IMO they'll part with a first for Marshall no worries.

Pick 17 for Marshall doesn’t do it for me. Especially in such a weak draft

 

[thekizzler]

So I guess we are just believing Mark Fine and Windy is gone?

Seems no lessons were learned from the Nas saga clearly, from a select few

If Windy leaves I will be disappointed. I believe he could get significantly better. But it's no guarantee.

But this situation, if even true, is completely understandable from all parties - Windhager and St Kilda both.

But the amount that people are overrating him is ridiculous. This is the moment the forum incels were waiting for after having their face rubbed in their own wet beds regarding Nas I love it. So predictable. So entertaining. We all knew it was coming.

Play on is the call though. You guys make this place what it is

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Thoughts Dard Ball Get

#YoullSee

 

[akaifu]

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

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Have we not learned after trading McEvoy and Stanley and watching them be a part of a premiership team.
We were short in forwards and backs this year and always in danger if Marshall got injured.
Do we want to be in the same position with just De Kining?

Giving Marshall to the Cats is especially not a good thing, keeps them in the premiership window.
I would hold on him, for that reason alone
And just can't see them giving us anything of much benefit.

 

[PJays]

But the amount that people are overrating him is ridiculous.

I don't think many people are over-rating him.

But the facts are

• 22 years old
• Played 75 games
• 24 coaches votes this year
• 3rd at St Kilda for inside 50s this year. 5th in tackles and clearances
• Durable. Has remained mostly healthy over his first 4 years.
• Gives his all. Week in, week out
• Proven he can do multiple things, including tagging which is a niche skillset and can be useful.

Offering a player like that 2 years while throwing huge offers at injury prone or unproven guys was pure hubris by St Kilda. If we lose Windy we have no one to blame but ourselves.

 

[stavro#4]

 

[Yawkey way]

If you had your way we would be sitting in No Mans land forever

Too scared to spend ... too scared to move players on

No we’re spinning like a top.

What’s really happened is we became frustrated and impatient so rather than continuing what looked like a quite rebuild we threw a Hail Mary.

I could speculate on who’s driving this but it’s high risk and far more likely to wind up a failure than a success. We’re the Cleveland brown of the afl. Clubs don’t do much damage in our phase being conservative but you can sure as hell blow the place up for a decade in a hurry if you get too creative.

Yeah I get it, why not us, screw the afl, fly the black flag, we all want to win and win now not in 5 years time. That doesn’t mean the conservative or negative are wrong.

I know it’s not popular but unless there’s a part 2 coming soon I don’t fancy our chances.

 

[stavro#4]

I don't think many people are over-rating him.

But the facts are

• 22 years old
• Played 75 games
• 24 coaches votes this year
• 3rd at St Kilda for inside 50s this year. 5th in tackles and clearances
• Durable. Has remained mostly healthy over his first 4 years.
• Gives his all. Week in, week out
• Proven he can do multiple things, including tagging which is a niche skillset and can be useful.

Offering a player like that 2 years while throwing huge offers at injury prone or unproven guys was pure hubris by St Kilda. If we lose Windy we have no one to blame but ourselves.

They have offered him 4 years. You are again going off the deep end and your facts are wrong.

 

[BrutThough]

Pick 17 for Marshall doesn’t do it for me. Especially in such a weak draft

I'd not so kindly tell them to F off if that's their offer. What will be a late 20s pick on draft night is insulting.

 

[stavro#4]

I'd not so kindly tell them to F off if that's their offer. What will be a late 20s pick on draft night is insulting.

What’s our list situation if Marshall Heath & windy go?

 

[Yawkey way]

So I guess we are just believing Mark Fine and Windy is gone?

Seems no lessons were learned from the Nas saga clearly, from a select few

If Windy leaves I will be disappointed. I believe he could get significantly better. But it's no guarantee.

But this situation, if even true, is completely understandable from all parties - Windhager and St Kilda both.

But the amount that people are overrating him is ridiculous. This is the moment the forum incels were waiting for after having their face rubbed in their own wet beds regarding Nas I love it. So predictable. So entertaining. We all knew it was coming.

Play on is the call though. You guys make this place what it is

Projecting again.

 

[sammm]

Why was Steele playing sore? He should have b

Was playing sore for most the year.
I understand people thinking we should trade him, and or move past him as captain etc. but we still need mids. We've potentially got good kids coming through, but they still need time and a buffer.
Steele is not what he was, but he can still pinch up forward and rotate with a guy like Pou.

Why was Steele plating sore? He should have been rested.

 

[StCicatriz]

Pick 17 for Marshall doesn’t do it for me. Especially in such a weak draft

I agree although I dont think well ever see the pick

What if its Marshall for Flanders?