List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part IV

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 4

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[stavro#4]

Cornes and Kingy just laughed off Flanders today. Sarcastic about his ability to 'move the needle' and 'that'll really get them there'. Anyway, let me ask, are we talking Paddy Dow-like value here?

Go to your afl app

Click on suns

Click on Flanders.

You can watch any game highlights.

Watch the long highlights of his from round 16-24 last year as he played 60% onball each week in that period.

Tell me he doesn’t improve us. Tell me we have a similar player on our list. Tell me Nas doesn’t benefit or Pou or Sincs or Wilson if he is getting the ball out to them.

 

[Joffaboy]

the only way this makes sense if the AFL have increase our cap like they did for Brisbane and GC

No
5% in 23 and 24
5% over in 25 ( because 5% under in 24)
18.3 mill x 15 % = 2.745 mill
Wilson reports 17% underspend in 2025 fue to front loaded contracts
18.3 mill x17% = 3.111 mill
That's 5.856 mill.
This may or may not include 800k gor Crouch and whatever we paid for Billings.

So without the actual figures but what has been reported it is anywhere from 4.9 up to 6 mill.
Whatever it is, it is huge, done using SC, front loading, and very careful planning over 3 years.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

There you go.. from Sam Edmund on Trade Radio... Essendon are prepared to offer more $$$ than us for Flanders

And why would you want to go to that mess?

 

[sauce_head]

could be wrong but i thought the lions and sydney had them then they were discontinued around 2006... then fired back up after 2016?

i know GC has had things like AFL money going to players to keep them at the club.

Yeah the Ben King situation for instance.

 

[gringo2011]

Better than TDK?

TDK is still on potential. His best games are very good but he plays probably 6 absolutely fantastic games per season and the rest of the time he's a GOP. To earn his money he needs to get that up to a steady high contribution level. He'll be one of those players that might add more to the side than individual performance too though. If he can force feed our mids with the new ruck rules he might actually end up an absolute weapon.

Flanders has had a recent elite season.

 

[Linton Street Saint]

Better than TDK?

I'd agree with you, they've got him down as a GOP and a waste of money.

 

[sauce_head]

Go to your afl app

Click on suns

Click on Flanders.

You can watch any game highlights.

Watch the long highlights of his from round 16-24 last year as he played 60% onball each week in that period.

Tell me he doesn’t improve us. Tell me we have a similar player on our list. Tell me Nas doesn’t benefit or Pou or Sincs or Wilson if he is getting the ball out to them.

Wow I didn’t know you could do that!

 

[Joffaboy]

Cornes and Kingy just laughed off Flanders today. Sarcastic about his ability to 'move the needle' and 'that'll really get them there'. Anyway, let me ask, are we talking Paddy Dow-like value here?

Well Gringo and others have been into Flanders for a while. I might disagree with him on a lot of things but rarely on players, so I will trust him on this.
As for not moving the needle. We aren't getting Bont, or a 25 y.o Dusty Martin, but we are getting TDK, Ryan, JSOS, Aleer, and probably Flanders, added to King, Pou, and Henry as new players, plus the likes of Hall, Windy, Wilson, Travaglia, Tauru with a full preseason, Garcia and Hastie all developing.
Maybe that will move the needle. Surprised someone like King who doesn't usually clickbait would go down that path.

 

[Joffaboy]

Yeah the Ben King situation for instance.

That was 4 x 150k 'Ambassador' money, outside the cap.
Ross did say on DDF podcast it was the St.Kilda sympathy concession this year

 

[Saints43]

Surprised someone like King who doesn't usually clickbait would go down that path.

King doesn't do clickbait but he blows with the wind. The last thing he saw/heard is absolutel. Until he sees/hears the opposite.

 

[stavro#4]

Jon Ralph. Snippets because the mods are on my ass

Rival clubs believe the Saints have offered Flanders a five-year contract worth $900,000 a season.

Flanders is keen to move on from Gold Coast and is yet to officially select a new club with Essendon still in the mix after his meetings with Carlton and Melbourne.

St Kilda is prepared to offer up its current No.7 draft pick for Flanders, who is contracted for two more seasons on $600,000 a season.

St Kilda has told rival clubs that De Koning is being paid only $1.65 million a season

St Kilda is adamant it will not trade contracted ruckman Rowan Marshall

19

Rowan Marshall

Age

30

Ht

201cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

20.2

5star

D

12.9

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.6

2star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.8

5star

despite his desire to get to Geelong

St Kilda will also hold vice captain Cal Wilkie despite the Dogs’ interest.

 

[stavro#4]

Joffaboy Ralph has stolen your workings out and added about a 30% shaving to it

 

[Anythings_sipposible]

Man, the list management team is going all out this year. Potentially 5 new players is wild. I was a bit too young to appreciate the 2000 trade hall, but this seems similar in scope for sure.

 

[gubby88]

we hitting part 5 today now

 

[beside the seaside]

Another article saying we're not trading Marshall. Interesting times...

 

[bird_man]

How do we still have room for more big contracts?

Well done to the team if we can fit them all in.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Man, the list management team is going all out this year. Potentially 5 new players is wild. I was a bit too young to appreciate the 2000 trade hall, but this seems similar in scope for sure.

Little bit different hamill and Gehrig were genuine guns

 

[stavro#4]

How do we still have room for more big contracts?

Well done to the team if we can fit them all in.

Look at joffas post. Pretty much sums it up from all the club interviews and articles this year.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

How do we still have room for more big contracts?

Well done to the team if we can fit them all in.

Been broken down a few times, most estimates had us having between $4.5-$6m+ free to play with

 

[stavro#4]

Little bit different hamill and Gehrig were genuine guns

Gehrig was good at the eagles. But he was a superstar of the game and a massive icon from 2003-2006.

 

[BrutThough]

Honestly who do you leave out of the best starting midfield with Rowell, Anderson and Miller. He got replaced off HB with GC's big ticket recruit in Rioli and John Noble was bought in to get fast running off HB which pushed him out of that spot too. He was forced to play high half forward in a pool of pretty good talent.

If he's available you grab him and run. Opportunity knocks you grab it.

Davies, Fiorini or Will Graham (before he was injured).

Given the manner some are talking about him, I would have thought he'd be starting in a midfield before them.

 

[my name was taken]

What other offers do the suns have or is it somehow only saints offers that get broadcast every other day? I'm finding it baffling

 

[thekizzler]

I just had a look at AFL tables. They have him starting his season in round 2. One of us has done too many drugs.

You want the number for rehab?

 

[LuckyBounce!]

It’s too early for trade radio dribble

 

[jonathons11]

I just had a look at AFL tables. They have him starting his season in round 2. One of us has done too many drugs.

I believe afltables treats opening round as round 1 so round 2 on there is actually the round the AFL would call round 1.
Pretty messy