List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part IV

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 4

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[saint66au]

Marshall is contracted, a required player and not a salary dump..so surely if we trade him for anything less than a deal skewed to us bigtime, surely thats on St Kilda not Geelong being unreasonable?

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

I don't really get why anyone would be surprised that Marshall is getting traded. Hopefully we are holding out for a good deal but as soon as he requested he was gone.

Don't think anyone is surprised by the trade at all
Absolutely understandable that he & Geelong are a good fit.
It's not about them though
We call the shots.
Whats best for us.
Don't gift them anything.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

Keeler is not a ruck - he's a 5 minute a qtr fill in at best - not someone you can rely on to give you 4 or 5 solid games in a row if your first ruck gets injured.

No way we win games if we have to rely he or Dodson to play as a first ruck for 4 or 5 games in a row.

If Marshall and Heath both go we will be looking for another short term back up ruckman for insurance purposes - and that's good list management not "list clogging".

As an example playing Boyd over Heath would have had absolutely no affect on game results, and given the quaility of ruckman available it would be the same next year regarding Dodson. Playing Aleer in the ruck who has an incredible leap would be a better option than a gap filler.

 

[stavro#4]

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Carl spoke well

 

[SG34]

I suspect the club is keen to shed Steele for some Cap flexibility. Maybe not this year but next year. And you can only imagine his value will be lower next year, being 1 year older and after a year of less midfield time

What are the odds he could be a slightly less spectacular Dangerfield at 31/32? (12-15 senior games, fwd/a bit on ball)?

 

[Saint Watto]

I cannot like this one enough Doc.

Absolutely Brillant.

I have watched it about 20 times.

And pizzed myself just as often.

Well played.

 

[kick it lace out]

Ro can move to Geelong when his contract expires in 2 years time. He'll be 32 yo which will be a perfect fit for Geelong's list profile.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Cal Wilkie added an extra couple of years onto his contract according to Dilena

Don't tell the pups!

 

[NAS THE GOAT]

Well there ya go campaigners, Boss man Carl has answered a few questions there:

* Ro is wanted and required by us. He is the one who asked for trade. We have spoken to Cats out of respect to Ro

* Steele is wanted, club just told him out of respect he wouldn’t be in midfield plans and gave its blessing to explore a trade.

* Cal Wilkie has signed on for an extension of 2 more years

* Don’t need any traded out to keep the $ down in the SC

* Don’t expect any more then the 5 players to come in at this stage

* Ross isn’t taking on the FULL role of Mission’s. It has been spread across others at club also

* Various scenarios have been calculated with Salary cap that allows us to consider any player that becomes available

* 17,000 NAS memberships are being worked through. (It sounds like club are doing due diligence on how they are handling those)

 

[The Punter]

Sounds like:

• we need to get value for Ro
• we wouldn't stand in Steele's way if he came to terms with another club

 

[Moquo]

Ro can move to Geelong when his contract expires in 2 years time. He'll be 32 yo which will be a perfect fit for Geelong's list profile.

Yes, and we'll get Tonya Harding to drop him off

 

[ScrappyDo]

Random thought, but if we make finals next year (which we'd want to after going HAM in the trade period) I would want Steelo out there.

Depends. If he's at the club then maybe. But if he goes and we make finals we won't even remember. FWIW I'd like both him and Ro to stay.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

Sounds like:

• we need to get value for Ro
• we wouldn't stand in Steele's way if he came to terms with another club

And/or the Marshall deal wont be done until after Ryan and Aleer to prevent those clubs requesting that compensation.

 

[BrutThough]

Can’t be bothered listening to it all to find out details

What was this?

 

[nikkig98]

Cal Wilkie added an extra couple of years onto his contract according to Dilena

For St Kilda??? Mate i think you're mistaken, he's a weston bulldog now isnt he?

 

[NAS THE GOAT]

Dees have to “Work through” Max Heath deal, but shouldn’t be a problem.

Sounds like we may get some steak knifes instead of him being picked up as a DFA

 

[akaifu]

For St Kilda??? Mate i think you're mistaken, he's a western bulldog now isnt he?

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I have second-hand embarrassment holy ****

 

[BrutThough]

Dees have to “Work through” Max Heath deal, but shouldn’t be a problem.

Sounds like we may get some steak knifes instead of him being picked up as a DFA

Hopefully we can get a F3 out of them that we can then use in the Aleer or Ryan deals.

 

[sauce_head]

No doubt I will get Sandra’ed but anyhow:

4m ago
12:48
ST KILDA coach Ross Lyon has a "strong preference" for Rowan Marshall

19

Rowan Marshall

Age

30

Ht

201cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

20.2

5star

D

12.9

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.6

2star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.8

5star

to remain at the Saints, despite the ruck requesting a move to Geelong.

Marshall officially requested a trade to the Cats on Friday, just hours after Tom De Koning

12

Tom De Koning

Age

26

Ht

201cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

2star

HO

1.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

1.5

5star

's move from Carlton to the Saints became official.

The 29-year-old has two years still to run on his deal at the Saints, and CEO Carl Dilena says the club’s position is clear.

"Our preference is to keep Rowan," Dilena said on Continental Tyres AFL Trade Radio.

"It was never our call, he's asked for (a trade) and out of respect for him, we've had a bit of dialogue with Geelong.

Rowan Marshall

19

Rowan Marshall

Age

30

Ht

201cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

20.2

5star

D

12.9

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.6

2star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.8

5star

during the round three match between St Kilda and Richmond at Marvel Stadium, March 29, 2025. Picture: Getty Images

"If I had to bet on it, I'm not sure it would happen.

"Ross as coach, his strong preference is to have him at the club. He loves him as a player (and) he knows the role he would be able to play next year. That'd be our position there.

"This is my personal opinion ... you never say never to anything. If there was the world's best ever trade deal offered, you'd have to consider it. You have to do what's right for the club.

"But from a senior coach perspective, Ross has a clear preference. We'll weigh everything up when we get towards the end of the period and see what's in the best interests of the club, but at this stage it's Rowan staying with us.” – Martin Smith

 

[_Maximus_12]

Looks like Wade Derksen’s career is on life support. Wouldn’t hate him on a list to develop as a forward in the VFL. Has the assets

 

[gubby88]

Our current trade period assult is built on our strong drafting over the last few years.

Players on our who were 22 and under this year (some will be 23 by next season) who we have drafted and who have already debuted:

1. NWM (86 games)
2. Windhager (75 games)
3. Owens (72 games)
4. Caminiti (56 games)
5. Philipou
6. Wilson
7. Garcia (2025 rising star nom)
8. Boxhall (2025 rising star nom)
9. Tauru
10. Travaglia
11. Dodson
12. Hastie
13. O'Connel
14. Keeler
15. Collard
16. Heath
17. Schoenmaker

The first three are already locked in as senior players in our team. Pou and Wilson have both had down seasons, but fully expect them to be long term players. Tauru looks like a star. Dodson, huge potential. Trav, Hastie, O'Connel, Keeler, Collard, have all played solid AFL level games, although stilll inconsistant and need to keep improving. IMO Heath is a late developer and will play a fair bit more AFL, albeit at another club. Schoenmaker could be a bust at this stage but may still get another chance.

I would say with some confidence that minimum 8-12 of those guys will still be playing AFL footballl when they are aged 25/26, which is a great success rate. For comparison, the only guys on our a current AFL list who were under 22 in 2021, who we drafted are King, Clark and Byrnes (Byrnes is 24 and realistically may not make it to the 25/26 age bracket).

Re trading out our 1st round draft pick this year, I am 100% totally fine with it as long as we go back to the draft next year so we don't end up with a big age gap in our list like we have had for a long time. When the current crop are all 26 we need to make sure we have another group of good kids coming through.

Good to see Owens will play game 100 in the grand final next year

 

[Hayes4PM]

No doubt I will get Sandra’ed but anyhow:

4m ago
12:48
ST KILDA coach Ross Lyon has a "strong preference" for Rowan Marshall to remain at the Saints, despite the ruck requesting a move to Geelong.

Marshall officially requested a trade to the Cats on Friday, just hours after Tom De Koning's move from Carlton to the Saints became official.

The 29-year-old has two years still to run on his deal at the Saints, and CEO Carl Dilena says the club’s position is clear.

"Our preference is to keep Rowan," Dilena said on Continental Tyres AFL Trade Radio.

"It was never our call, he's asked for (a trade) and out of respect for him, we've had a bit of dialogue with Geelong.

Rowan Marshall during the round three match between St Kilda and Richmond at Marvel Stadium, March 29, 2025. Picture: Getty Images

"If I had to bet on it, I'm not sure it would happen.

"Ross as coach, his strong preference is to have him at the club. He loves him as a player (and) he knows the role he would be able to play next year. That'd be our position there.

"This is my personal opinion ... you never say never to anything. If there was the world's best ever trade deal offered, you'd have to consider it. You have to do what's right for the club.

"But from a senior coach perspective, Ross has a clear preference. We'll weigh everything up when we get towards the end of the period and see what's in the best interests of the club, but at this stage it's Rowan staying with us.” – Martin Smith

Looking forward to "the world's best ever trade deal offered".

 

[Train12]

Sure is a lot of people arguing with some posts I can't see...

Think we sit back and watch the carnage unfold for a couple days. Get Aleer, Ryan and JDG late Tuesday.

Grab popcorn for Wednesday to see Trac/Oliver/Merrett shit show go down.

No doubt I will get Sandra’ed but anyhow:

4m ago
12:48
ST KILDA coach Ross Lyon has a "strong preference" for Rowan Marshall to remain at the Saints, despite the ruck requesting a move to Geelong.

Marshall officially requested a trade to the Cats on Friday, just hours after Tom De Koning's move from Carlton to the Saints became official.

The 29-year-old has two years still to run on his deal at the Saints, and CEO Carl Dilena says the club’s position is clear.

"Our preference is to keep Rowan," Dilena said on Continental Tyres AFL Trade Radio.

"It was never our call, he's asked for (a trade) and out of respect for him, we've had a bit of dialogue with Geelong.

Rowan Marshall during the round three match between St Kilda and Richmond at Marvel Stadium, March 29, 2025. Picture: Getty Images

"If I had to bet on it, I'm not sure it would happen.

"Ross as coach, his strong preference is to have him at the club. He loves him as a player (and) he knows the role he would be able to play next year. That'd be our position there.

"This is my personal opinion ... you never say never to anything. If there was the world's best ever trade deal offered, you'd have to consider it. You have to do what's right for the club.

"But from a senior coach perspective, Ross has a clear preference. We'll weigh everything up when we get towards the end of the period and see what's in the best interests of the club, but at this stage it's Rowan staying with us.” – Martin Smith

Suck on that Mackie…

Have had enough of Geelong.

You want a contracted player, you pay slightly overs.

Saints should say don’t waste our time, we have other trades to complete.

 

[BrutThough]

Looks like Wade Derksen’s career is on life support. Wouldn’t hate him on a list to develop as a forward in the VFL. Has the assets

Does he ruck?