List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part IV

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 4

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[SaintsSeptember]

I love Moose but it’s better for both for him to move on. We are getting very tight for list spots. Keeler and Dodson are going to have to stand up and that’s not a bad thing. Moose might be a lot more established if he’d had that opportunity

I'd rather keep Moose ove the Boyd /Campbell types, but...i don't think we need one of those any more either. I'd rather make do with Keeler or Dodson if we had to .

 

[Significant]

So I wonder whether that would cover Tex Wanganeen?
He seems to be the forgotten man when people look at list spots.
Did we promise him a spot? Or a train on with the opportunity for a rookie listing?

Can be rookie listed

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

So I wonder whether that would cover Tex Wanganeen?
He seems to be the forgotten man when people look at list spots.
Did we promise him a spot? Or a train on with the opportunity for a rookie listing?

Train on with the possibility of a rookie spot

 

[Significant]

Unless someone trades for our contracted players, or we delist a contracted player with a commitment to re-rookie, we are done ladies and gentlemen.

 

[Captain Paddy]

So.. how about them list spots

 

[sauce_head]

Typical bloody St. Kilda…..

The only club to have an exodus of a player we hadn’t yet signed!

Oh my god that is brilliant!

 

[hangdog]

If Carroll has been re-signed as a rookie
Means we have 2 cat A's- Carroll & Hall
2 cat b's- irish lads
32 on the main list
Add 4 trade recruits & fincher
Means 41 on the list
3 list spots available
2 x rookies- Voss & Wanganeen
1x primary
It's out of Byrnes, Heath- traded?, Jones, Schoey, who could be retained

I'd be surprised if the Wanganeen rookie spot story was true. Sounds like classic made up media, but we'll see. There's been no word on it since before Nas re-signed.

 

[j123]

Don't have enough to scour the boards, if someone could please rank the top3 saltiest oppo/main boards for my "bedtime reading".

Had a look at geelong and it's hilarious over there. I think I saw every single member of our front office called an idiot or something to that effect

 

[Armoooo]

Give me a spell mate… a dog act would be to string this along til next Wednesday then walk away.

Leek has 6 days to find a new home or return to the Giants.

We’ve actually done the right thing by him by calling it off now.

I’m a bit disappointed as I would have loved to see what Ross & Boris could do with his athleticism & untapped ability.

6 days to make a life changing decision when your options have likely been limited.

Everyone on here would be filthy if that happened to them.

Barrel is saying we offered a 2nd, but wanted something back. If a 3rd or 4th round pick is the hill we've chosen to die on, thats concerning.

I actually am expecting to hear more to the story. I don't think we would have been dicks for no reason, its only the presently available information that suggests we're in the wrong. I'm open minded though.

 

[Jade Buddha]

Not great for the PR

Actually I think perversely it will be good for our PR.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Salty Cat supporters saying it's not a win for us if Ro stays as he will be a waste standing at full forward.

 

[MrFoster]

Give me a spell mate… a dog act would be to string this along til next Wednesday then walk away.

Leek has 6 days to find a new home or return to the Giants.

We’ve actually done the right thing by him by calling it off now.

I’m a bit disappointed as I would have loved to see what Ross & Boris could do with his athleticism & untapped ability.

Aleer was a first round pick, so gws definitely rated him 6 years ago. Now after 5-6 years in the system, he is still talked about as a potential good player, definitely is a case of hit and hope kind of deal for us. Yes, he is athletically gifted, but not a natural footballer, just screams bambi on ice when I see him play this year. And as a 24 year old, it doesn’t give you a lot of confidence a club like gws hasn’t developed him

 

[seasonedsainter]

They’re only lining up have a clip aren’t they - every time we make a move now -

 

[akaifu]

If anyone wants their day ruined, have a listen to this

 

[SainterinSydney]

If anyone wants their day ruined, have a listen to this

This is not how employment law works lol.

Are these people ******ed?

 

[Moquo]

If anyone wants their day ruined, have a listen to this

surely not... "the law of Australia"???

 

[Jade Buddha]

From my understanding you guys spent a long time trying to convince Aleer to leave GWS and join your club. He initially rebuffed your approach, but you kept going with offers of big money and opportunity and you told him how much you loved him as a player etc…

On the back of constant aproach’s, you convinced him to come, so on the back of this Aleer rejected the GWS offer and obviously didn’t entertain offers from any other clubs that may have come his way.

A contract term was obviously discussed, and it would have also been clear what was required from a trade value standpoint.

The Saints should at least be honest with Aleer and not give some BS story about not being able to find a pick to get the deal done.

Nice story.

 

[moirae42]

This is all just rolled gold.

About time Allan and Co actually showed some brass balls come trade time.

All this "shrewd" operator garbage that gets spouted about him. He'd done sweet FA since he started lurking at Linton street.

More of it.

Who else can we piss off?

 

[cowboy18]

surely not... "the law of Australia"???

It's not even the vibe.

 

[moirae42]

surely not... "the law of Australia"???

Absolute twaddle.

 

[Ads734]

I don’t love it from a pure ethical perspective. From a st Kilda perspective good job.

WGAF about what the media thinks about us , they’re grubbs anyways

 

[DarkSaint]

I've seen Tauru in 10 or so games without a pre season and at the age of 18 show equal too or greater spoiling and athleticism than Aleer. Watched the last 6 or so games of Aleer since we were rumoured to land him and wasn't impressed at all.

Lacked defensive awareness and positioning badly. Good athleticism but was out positioned numerous times.

We have Howard, Wilkie, JSOS, Caminiti, Tauru which is more than enough and if all are fit someone has to probably miss out. Throw in Barret and Hastie who i rate (can play medium or small) and there will be some unlucky players.

We will be needing a FB in about a year or 2 and one that is around the 200cm mark not another 194cm player.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Can someone ring that Andy and Gazey show and chastise them for not being tough enough. Say that the Saints should be investigated, fined, draft picks stripped and points deducted. Say as a St Kilda supporter you are disgusted and will be microwaving the ten $7 memberships you bought.

 

[Hayes4PM]

If anyone wants their day ruined, have a listen to this

Hahahahahahaha. Ahhhhhh **** that might actually be one of the best things I've heard in a long time. Oh my god, that is funny. Wait... this talk of "claims" against St Kilda for making an offer and then not getting him in... If GWS didn't agree to the trade proposed, would THEY not be "liable" for these claimed losses by blocking the move?

Is any party or organisation liable for damages or lost income because they don't release an employee or convince their current employer to let them leave their current fixed term contract?

Truly asking the big brained questions are Andy Maher and Andrew Gaze.

Unfortunately for them, their "big brains" in question, are entirely smooooth.

 

[Remboy]

From memory there was some change to the ruck rules in 2013 that didn't help Hickey's style.

Was that when they stopped allowing the third man up in ruck contests?