List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion

[martinson]

There must be a back story to the Ah Chee trade falling through. The Crows only needed a pick in the 20-25 range to get it done. What they were offering was clearly not near that and they didn't appear to make any effort to secure a pick in that range from elsewhere.

When Dom Ambrogio was asked last week why Cal wanted to leave he said he didn't know and that the interviewee should ask Cal that question. He also said that Cal had a very good offer on the table from the Lions.

All year Cal has not looked himself and appeared quite emotional about leaving.

Surely, the Crows would have assured Cal that they would get the Trade done and his manager would have been very aware of what our expectations were.

There has to be more to this than meets the eye.

We really wanted to keep him and are a bit pissed off at what Adelaide came up with I believe. Not giving him much choice.

So I don't think everything's hunky dory between the 2 clubs, hence our response.

 

[Surly Boy]

We offered a F3 as well

You know how that ended - Crom can keep its chump change.

 

[Haggis McHaggis]

We offered a F3 as well

 

[Cockliff38]

There must be a back story to the Ah Chee trade falling through. The Crows only needed a pick in the 20-25 range to get it done. What they were offering was clearly not near that and they didn't appear to make any effort to secure a pick in that range from elsewhere.

When Dom Ambrogio was asked last week why Cal wanted to leave he said he didn't know and that the interviewer should ask Cal that question. He also said that Cal had a very good offer on the table from the Lions.

All year Cal has not looked himself and appeared quite emotional about leaving.

Surely, the Crows would have assured Cal that they would get the Trade done and his manager would have been very aware of what our expectations were.

There has to be more to this than meets the eye.

There could be Zac Bailey, or even Murray Davis, threads at play too... Definitely more to the story.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Cal will be fine btw. We’ve essentially made him a free agent and started a bidding war for him. If his manager plays it well he’ll be even better off.

 

[martinson]

They got Keays and Hinge for nothing , 2 of their key players , so we just drew a line in the sand.

 

[CDC60]

Which would be basically pick 60 after the extra picks which is worth next to nothing

My point was if the Crows finish 12th in 2026 then a 2nd and 3rd is effectively pick 19. Forget about 'picks blowing out' as those (picks) players aren't available to your club anyway. All picks are a possibility of blowing out after Pick 1. But I can see the majority of this board is happy with the strategy to lose a player for nothing and let the Crows gain a player for nothing. Congratulations on your magnificent achievements under Fages and with your list there should be far more to come.

 

[BRAB]

Bad news for you buddy. Brisbane Lions fans can do maths.

Speak for yourself kiddo

 

[Dalions]

My point was if the Crows finish 12th in 2026 then a 2nd and 3rd is effectively pick 19. Forget about 'picks blowing out' as those (picks) players aren't available to your club anyway. All picks are a possibility of blowing out after Pick 1. But I can see the majority of this board is happy with the strategy to lose a player for nothing and let the Crows gain a player for nothing. Congratulations on your magnificent achievements under Fages and with your list there should be far more to come.

A second and a third is still a second and a third it will never be pick 19.

 

[T Rick]

There could be Zac Bailey, or even Murray Davis, threads at play too... Definitely more to the story.

Agreed - something at play or angst behind the scenes..
Dom Ambrogio drafted Cal to the Suns and was involved him in coming to the Lions.
Murray Davis poaching one of our players who he had a good relationship with?
On face value, Cal is from WA not SA so why Adelaide?

 

[Pns_blister]

My point was if the Crows finish 12th in 2026 then a 2nd and 3rd is effectively pick 19. Forget about 'picks blowing out' as those (picks) players aren't available to your club anyway. All picks are a possibility of blowing out after Pick 1. But I can see the majority of this board is happy with the strategy to lose a player for nothing and let the Crows gain a player for nothing. Congratulations on your magnificent achievements under Fages and with your list there should be far more to come.

Do you understand the points matrix changes from next year so 3rd round picks essentially have no value and second rounds, particularly late ones are heavily diluted? Hence why Ambrogio and the broader team took the stance they did.

 

[Nathan Barley]

My point was if the Crows finish 12th in 2026 then a 2nd and 3rd is effectively pick 19. Forget about 'picks blowing out' as those (picks) players aren't available to your club anyway. All picks are a possibility of blowing out after Pick 1. But I can see the majority of this board is happy with the strategy to lose a player for nothing and let the Crows gain a player for nothing. Congratulations on your magnificent achievements under Fages and with your list there should be far more to come.

Enjoy it because gun footballers will think twice about nominating the crows from now on

 

[martinson]

Agreed - something at play or angst behind the scenes..
Dom Ambrogio drafted Cal to the Suns and was involved him in coming to the Lions.
Murray Davis poaching one of our players who he had a good relationship with?
On face value, Cal is from WA not SA so why Adelaide?

Family is there.

 

[Pns_blister]

Family is there.

Don’t be daft. He didn’t move there for family. He moved there for $$$ whilst still retaining hope of vying for success.

Took more than us, but less than WCE.

He took the middle ground of $$$x success and fair play for doing so

 

[braddsey]

I would have given Ah Chee away for free to keep Daly. Win.

You got your wish! DD is staying.

I expect DD threatened to walk if we gave away any of our players to a bunch of cowboys for the lint in their pockets…

 

[martinson]

To be fair Cal has sweated it out with us giving his all on average money so he deserves his pay day. But we were more than happy to look after him and Adelaide decided they wanted to give him a lot more.

Well then don't be imposters , do the right thing by Cal and offer something reasonable.

No doubt he'll get to Adelaide but there's a small chance it could blow up in their face.

 

[martinson]

Don’t be daft. He didn’t move there for family. He moved there for $$$ whilst still retaining hope of vying for success.

Took more than us, but less than WCE.

He took the middle ground of $$$x success and fair play for doing so

I didn't say he's moving there because of family. It's just a leveraging factor for the Crows.

 

[CDC60]

Agreed - something at play or angst behind the scenes..
Dom Ambrogio drafted Cal to the Suns and was involved him in coming to the Lions.
Murray Davis poaching one of our players who he had a good relationship with?
On face value, Cal is from WA not SA so why Adelaide?

He hasn't asked to move for family reasons, he's being offered a good financial deal on more years at a club that should be a contender. His manager is based in Adelaide and his brother played for Port so he would know Adelaide well but I doubt they are strong factors

 

[Section 5]

The club recruiting team did what they thought was right. Stuck to their guns so to speak.
I don't mind clubs being firm with required picks with players still under contract.

However, i have never really liked it when clubs can't get the trade done with players out of contract.
Sure, we were not offered what Lions thought Cal was worth but sending him through the PSD is a bad way to treat Cal.
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Bailey Smith

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& some others i may have a different opinion.

Cal unlikely to sign a 12-month contract with the Lions and try again for a trade next year.
He could sign a completely new Lions deal but that's also unlikely.

He most likely goes into the PSD now with a high contract similar to Jack Martin

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a few seasons ago
I don't think Eagles and most other clubs will match seeing he wants to go to SA, but that's an unknown
However, i do think the Power are a big chance to match.
Cal may prefer the Crows, but he may get to SA like he wanted just not the club he preferred.
Either way Cal gets his contract with Adelaide or elsewhere.

Lions & BF fans can say they don't need a 2nd round + F3 pick.
That's still in the 350-450 points range + 10% if needed for F/S, Acadamy.
That would be handy this year and realistically every year.

 

[CDC60]

Enjoy it because gun footballers will think twice about nominating the crows from now on

Rubbish. He'll play for the Crows in 2026 and beyond

 

[Hollow Knight]

This is what you get when you hire nuffie Big Brother contestants as your manager.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

My point was if the Crows finish 12th in 2026 then a 2nd and 3rd is effectively pick 19. Forget about 'picks blowing out' as those (picks) players aren't available to your club anyway. All picks are a possibility of blowing out after Pick 1. But I can see the majority of this board is happy with the strategy to lose a player for nothing and let the Crows gain a player for nothing. Congratulations on your magnificent achievements under Fages and with your list there should be far more to come.

Could have slide from 16 to 23 for 274 points, then offered your F2 and going off this years finish 297 points.
That would mean pick 26 basically.

Fair to say, using the DVI has it limitations when assessing offers outside of FS and academies.

 

[lionshine]

I just had a look at what Melbourne have done in this trade period.

CJ went to the US for treatment and still no one's worked out why he's lost his pace. Mihochek has seen better days. Same for Steele. Max Heath .. ok ,to replace Gawn in time.

And they've lost Petracca.

Reminds me of us when we were in a downward spiral.

I’ve actually got a completely different view on what the Demons have done.

I see it as a huge step in the right direction for them replacing Goodwin with King and moving on from Petracca and Oliver to commence a rebuild. They’ve already got a bit of a head start with players like Kosi, Rivers, Windsor, Langford and Lindsay at the club. Now they’ve got another two top 10 picks this year and two first rounders next year.

Steele and Mihochek are decent enough mature recruits to help protect/develop the younger players around the forward line and midfield. Jiath is fairly average but has shown enough in the past that with a fresh start, a new coach and regular games could regain confidence and give them something in this transition period. Max Heath is a decent ruck prospect to come in and learn from Gawn.

If I’m a Demons fan right now I’d be feeling much better about the direction of the club compared with if they still had Goodwin, Petracca and Oliver on the books. The only negative I saw was failing to get rid of Steven May!

 

[Hollow Knight]

Enjoy it because gun footballers will think twice about nominating the crows from now on

To be fair, it’s pretty clear gun footballers have already been thinking that way about Adelaide before this happened too.

 

[Nathan Barley]

To be fair, it’s pretty clear gun footballers have already been thinking that way about Adelaide before this happened too.

Also doesn’t help when they re-sign O’Brien rather than chasing Draper