List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion

[mpal6]

Realistically what picks are expected for Ah Chee, Starcevich, and Robertson?

Easy - pick 1s 2025, 2026 and 2027

 

[Nathan Barley]

So it wasn’t a business 25 years ago. I call BS.

When guys like Starce are getting paid close to a mil a year then it’s completely different

 

[jfn]

Any intel on Isaac Waller and Raphael Geesu? Are they ready to be picked up in the draft this year?

 

[M Malice]

The trade/FA period and draft has suddenly turned quite interesting for us with what looks like 7 outs and 3 certain ins so 4 spots to fill.

Outs- Brandon Ryan, Darcy Craven, Oscar McInerney

46

Oscar Mcinerney

Age

31

Ht

205cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.1

2star

K

4.1

2star

HB

3.9

3star

CL

1.4

4star

HO

14.3

5star

D

6.9

1star

K

4.1

2star

HB

2.7

2star

CL

1.9

4star

HO

16.4

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.6

3star

CL

0.4

3star

HO

11.2

5star

, Sam Day

14

Sam Day

Age

33

Ht

196cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

3.6

1star

HB

4.4

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.5

2star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.8

3star

G

0.2

3star

all confirmed +(highly likely) Brandon Starcevich

37

Brandon Starcevich

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.2

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

185.3

3star

D

9.5

2star

K

7.3

3star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.1

3star

MG

187.9

3star

D

8.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

181.2

3star

, Callum Ah Chee

4

Callum Ah Chee

Age

28

Ht

182cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.8

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.5

3star

D

11.1

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.1

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.8

4star

and Dev Robertson.

Ins- Sam Draper, Oscar Allen

12

Oscar Allen

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

, Daniel Annabel.

I'm hopeful we snap up Fergus McFadyen and Raphael Geesu from our academy, the remaining 2 spots I'd like to see us go for a depth ruck and tall defender, not necessarily them but eg. Jacob Blight and Max Heath.

 

[briztoon]

The trade/FA period and draft has suddenly turned quite interesting for us with what looks like 7 outs and 3 certain ins so 4 spots to fill.

Outs- Brandon Ryan, Darcy Craven, Oscar McInerney, Sam Day all confirmed +(highly likely) Brandon Starcevich, Callum Ah Chee and Dev Robertson.

Ins- Sam Draper, Oscar Allen, Daniel Annabel.

I'm hopeful we snap up Fergus McFadyen and Raphael Geesu from our academy, the remaining 2 spots I'd like to see us go for a depth ruck and tall defender, not necessarily them but eg. Jacob Blight and Max Heath.

Max Heath is as good as locked in to Melbourne.

 

[dlanod]

It’s all relative; Robert Copeland was offered life changing money from Richmond and took less to stay in order to be successful.

Copeland stayed. Headland and Hadley (amongst others) went. Bradshaw made sure we dug every loose cent out of our pockets when it came to his contract. Michael screwed us.

Dev and Kai stayed, and no doubt Hugh and Berry and others have knocked back massive pay packets too. Ah Chee and Starcevich went.

There isn't a substantial difference between the teams other than rose tinted glasses.

 

[Clarkythelion]

Copeland stayed. Headland and Hadley (amongst others) went. Bradshaw made sure we dug every loose cent out of our pockets when it came to his contract. Michael screwed us.

Dev and Kai stayed, and no doubt Hugh and Berry and others have knocked back massive pay packets too. Ah Chee and Starcevich went.

There isn't a substantial difference between the teams other than rose tinted glasses.

yep - more outsiders looking for opportunity that left were Jason Gram to St Kilda, Craig bolton to Sydney although at the time didn't seem huge losses.

 

[Nathan Barley]

It’s all relative; Robert Copeland was offered life changing money from Richmond and took less to stay in order to be successful.

What an idiot

Probably a good example of why you should make better financial decisions through your limited playing career

Or perhaps an example of putting a bit of Mayo on your story to help your reputation

 

[RegionalLion]

Twomey just said we are chasing Hawthorn’s first round pick off West Coast, currently pick 16.

“BRISBANE will push to land West Coast's pick No.16 in a trade for Brandon Starcevich as negotiations trickle on between the clubs.

And tied up in the discussions will be the high profile move of Oscar Allen to the Lions, which is the last remaining major free agency deal yet to be lodged.

The Eagles were granted an end-of-first round pick (now No.22) from the AFL as part of their assistance package, leaving them with picks No.1, 16, 22, 23, 37 and 56.

They are looking to land Starcevich using pick No.23, the first pick of the second round, but the Lions are targeting Pick 16, the first-round pick that is tied to the Hawks.

West Coast wants to trade for the two-time premiership Lion so that it doesn't dilute the free agency pick the Eagles will receive for losing Allen, which is expected to be pick No.2. Both Allen and Starcevich are restricted free agents.

Brisbane is chasing an earlier pick to tally more points to match a likely top-five bid for Academy gun Dan Annable.“

I reckon we will be chasing Adelaide’s first for Cal too. Whether we get it is another thing

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1436976

I hope this is a bit of a beat up - surely given we are really entitled to not much / nothing with 2 free agents coming in the lions would be happy with pick 22 or 23 (as they currently sit - should only be OA pushing them out one more spot). I think we have always been quite fair in the past and have that rep but this seems to be pushing it a bit - especially for the other 16 clubs not getting anything out of this - don't want to add fuel to the anti-lions sentiment when we are overall liked as a team and club compared to a lot of other clubs I feel.

I also can't see there being any chance of a first rounder for Cal - is he worth it probably but he is out of contract and not a key player - maybe F2 and a later pick this year / some pick swaps - possibly F2 2026 and 2027 - that might work but would again be pushing it a bit maybe.

I don't want the lions to get less than they could but also do want win-win situations for clubs and even a little under for us when we are in a good position to build positive relationships and some good will now when we could need to call on it in the future. I also know its a bit of a hollow threat for Eagles posters but if we stuff WC around it would make a possible pick 2 call on Annable more likely and cost us almost as many points as getting 16 rather than 22/23.

 

[mpal6]

I hope this is a bit of a beat up - surely given we are really entitled to not much / nothing with 2 free agents coming in the lions would be happy with pick 22 or 23 (as they currently sit - should only be OA pushing them out one more spot). I think we have always been quite fair in the past and have that rep but this seems to be pushing it a bit - especially for the other 16 clubs not getting anything out of this - don't want to add fuel to the anti-lions sentiment when we are overall liked as a team and club compared to a lot of other clubs I feel.

I also can't see there being any chance of a first rounder for Cal - is he worth it probably but he is out of contract and not a key player - maybe F2 and a later pick this year / some pick swaps - possibly F2 2026 and 2027 - that might work but would again be pushing it a bit maybe.

I don't want the lions to get less than they could but also do want win-win situations for clubs and even a little under for us when we are in a good position to build positive relationships and some good will now when we could need to call on it in the future. I also know its a bit of a hollow threat for Eagles posters but if we stuff WC around it would make a possible pick 2 call on Annable more likely and cost us almost as many points as getting 16 rather than 22/23.

Let the list management team do what they do best.

If we wanted to maintain positive relationship and goodwill we would not have got Dunkley Ashcroft and Fletcher in one go. Dogs wanted 2 firsts and we managed to back them into a first and second in the end, while generating points for father sons

Dom Ambrogio knows what hes doing - let it play out.

 

[Happy_Neale]

I hope this is a bit of a beat up - surely given we are really entitled to not much / nothing with 2 free agents coming in the lions would be happy with pick 22 or 23 (as they currently sit - should only be OA pushing them out one more spot). I think we have always been quite fair in the past and have that rep but this seems to be pushing it a bit - especially for the other 16 clubs not getting anything out of this - don't want to add fuel to the anti-lions sentiment when we are overall liked as a team and club compared to a lot of other clubs I feel.

I also can't see there being any chance of a first rounder for Cal - is he worth it probably but he is out of contract and not a key player - maybe F2 and a later pick this year / some pick swaps - possibly F2 2026 and 2027 - that might work but would again be pushing it a bit maybe.

I don't want the lions to get less than they could but also do want win-win situations for clubs and even a little under for us when we are in a good position to build positive relationships and some good will now when we could need to call on it in the future. I also know its a bit of a hollow threat for Eagles posters but if we stuff WC around it would make a possible pick 2 call on Annable more likely and cost us almost as many points as getting 16 rather than 22/23.

We know how this works. The two clubs bluster and leak through the media for a week and a half before settling on something half way between the original two demands. It’s all theatre

 

[M Malice]

Max Heath is as good as locked in to Melbourne.

Max Knobel worth a list spot as depth? Listed as OOC still on footywire.

 

[dlanod]

Max Knobel worth a list spot as depth? Listed as OOC still on footywire.

Geez thought you meant Trent for a second, was wondering how he was still running around

 

[morsie]

Geez there appears to be a number of negative posts about either Draper and/or Allen…

You guys support a club that has played in 7 consecutive finals series, 3 straight grand finals, and won back to back premierships.

If that doesn’t make you trust the system, and trust that the people at the club actually know what they are doing, I’m not sure what will?!

Enjoy the success and enjoy the club. The glass is not half empty here!!

Agreed.Noonw is perfect but our guys have the runs on the board in their selections.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

I hope this is a bit of a beat up - surely given we are really entitled to not much / nothing with 2 free agents coming in the lions would be happy with pick 22 or 23 (as they currently sit - should only be OA pushing them out one more spot). I think we have always been quite fair in the past and have that rep but this seems to be pushing it a bit - especially for the other 16 clubs not getting anything out of this - don't want to add fuel to the anti-lions sentiment when we are overall liked as a team and club compared to a lot of other clubs I feel.

I also can't see there being any chance of a first rounder for Cal - is he worth it probably but he is out of contract and not a key player - maybe F2 and a later pick this year / some pick swaps - possibly F2 2026 and 2027 - that might work but would again be pushing it a bit maybe.

I don't want the lions to get less than they could but also do want win-win situations for clubs and even a little under for us when we are in a good position to build positive relationships and some good will now when we could need to call on it in the future. I also know its a bit of a hollow threat for Eagles posters but if we stuff WC around it would make a possible pick 2 call on Annable more likely and cost us almost as many points as getting 16 rather than 22/23.

Has to be the media priming the West Coast supporters for the inevitable trade that is going to happen, as there seems to be some unrest for their supports about pick 22 being “over”
Allows the AFL being in the headlines too.

Still think the likely result will be Starce & Dev + change (combination of our 3rd rounders or F3) for pick 23 and 37

 

[Viceregal]

When I see we want 17 and they want 22/23 and I see a 19 sitting in the middle I just assume that is where it will end up...

 

[Section 5]

From AFL site as of October 4, 2025

YOUR CLUB'S PICKS​

Adelaide: 15, 46, 53, 55, 71, 73
Brisbane: 19, 42, 45, 51, 54, 66, 77
Carlton: 9, 21, 40, 49, 67
Collingwood: 38, 57, 69, 75
Essendon: 4, 5, 20, 26, 29
Fremantle: 12, 33, 43, 52, 70
Geelong: 18, 39, 58, 76
Gold Coast: 6, 14, 17, 35, 61, 72
GWS: 13, 34, 36
Hawthorn: 8, 30, 41, 60, 74
Melbourne: 27, 59, 64
North Melbourne: 24, 25, 44, 62
Port Adelaide: 28, 47, 65
Richmond: 2, 3
St Kilda: 7, 48, 63
Sydney: 10, 31, 50, 68
West Coast: 1, 16, 22, 23, 37, 56
Western Bulldogs: 11, 32

 

[GenericUsername202]

I'm a little confused on the starce thing. Don't we already have enough points to match a bid on Annable?

 

[Hollow Knight]

I'm a little confused on the starce thing. Don't we already have enough points to match a bid on Annable?

Annable isn’t our only focus in the draft.

We also need to bank future points for next year.

 

[briztoon]

I'm a little confused on the starce thing. Don't we already have enough points to match a bid on Annable?

Short answer, no.

 

[mpal6]

I'm a little confused on the starce thing. Don't we already have enough points to match a bid on Annable?

Pick trades / swaps can happen even outside the trade window all the way up to draft.

 

[John_Proctor]

The trade/FA period and draft has suddenly turned quite interesting for us with what looks like 7 outs and 3 certain ins so 4 spots to fill.

Outs- Brandon Ryan, Darcy Craven, Oscar McInerney, Sam Day all confirmed +(highly likely) Brandon Starcevich, Callum Ah Chee and Dev Robertson.

Ins- Sam Draper, Oscar Allen, Daniel Annabel.

I'm hopeful we snap up Fergus McFadyen and Raphael Geesu from our academy, the remaining 2 spots I'd like to see us go for a depth ruck and tall defender, not necessarily them but eg. Jacob Blight and Max Heath.

of the 7 out its 5 senior listed... so only 3 available senior list spots means we probably need to open more up to have more draft picks for matching purposes at the draft?

we might look to shift a couple from the senior to rookie lists. eg. McCarthy and Tunstill (both at risk of leaving though if suggested?)

That would mean we go in with 5 national draft picks – maximising our points matching capability. We then match with Annabelle, grab one or two other kids with our remaining picks (in the 40’s/50’s), and possibly upgrade Bruce and will Mclachlan to the senior list from rookie list.

That would leave us with 2 unused rookie list spots left to grab an undrafted academy player or two or add a mature Ruckman as insurance given Draper won’t be available to start the season and we’d only have Fort and Smith on the list.

The above is based on my understanding of the points matching rules we'd need to work within (can only take into draft day the same number of picks as you have spare spots on your list) and of course ignores the possibility of any other unknown moves either in or out.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Dom interviewed by Cal Twomey very firm that Starce is worth a lot in a trade deal with the Eagles

 

[braddsey]

I'm a little confused on the starce thing. Don't we already have enough points to match a bid on Annable?

Regardless, we hold the upper hand in the trade. Starce is about the best lockdown defender in the league (who admittedly comes with some risk) so I think it's not unfair to ask for a true first round pick.
West Coast have the option to sign him as a free agent, but then both clubs lose - they lose what looks like pick-2, we lose a trade. We're entitled to request more than their offer of what will be pick 23 (or worse by the time it gets used), knowing that the deal will go through.
Let's say we do get pick-16 (with some other pick swaps out the back), we can do much more with that pick than pick-23. As a starting point, look at the players we've drafted around that pick.
We can assume it will be eaten up by Annable, but it can be traded out for a first rounder next season. with all the pick players trying to get to other clubs, I'm sure we'd find a club come knocking wanting to swap a first rounder this year for a first rounder next year.

 

[Elixuh]

Dom interviewed by Cal Twomey very firm that Starce is worth a lot in a trade deal with the Eagles