List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion

[LongLion]

Not likely to happen but imagine the melts if Cal decided to stay with us

 

[Section 5]

Your view and the AFL contract rules are 2 different things though. When a player signs an afl contract with a club, then that club holds the rights to that player until the player reaches free agency - and this is the situation with Cal. This is to give the club who made the initial investment in a player some protection against a player signing for 2-years of development, then walking out where-ever they want.

It won’t go to court - the AFL is a monopoly industry and these are the conditions every player agrees to when they sign an AFL contract.

Well, "my view" was about your using the word "poaching" for a player OOC compared to one still under contract which i would defiantly put in the "poaching" category.

Yes, i am aware the players agree to what's in a contract.
Without having read one i assume they agree to lots of things including all or most of what's listed below

Players have no choice but to agree or they just find a bank, hospitality or other type of job to do.

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You are correct in that clubs do put a minimum of 2 years investment into a player.
Mostly so clubs get a decent return from the player one way or another
Be that through media, membership, gate takings, marketing or AFL distributions.
Both rely on the other to make the partnership successful.

If players could move around freely after their contract expires, i believe the net number result would be similar to now.
This also has the benefit of leaving the draft order mostly intact
So, players you bring in don't require trade capital, same as those leaving.

It would not matter if players were approaching their 3rd or 13th year
Clubs have 2 years minimum to convince players their club is a good place to work.
Should players choose to leave that's fine, as there will be others wanting to come in.

I have no illusions that player contract conditions will change anytime soon at the AFL, but that does not mean they shouldn't.

 

[Perrip]

I don't know why the Cows are melting down. They are getting him for nothing.

Crows & Lions fans arguing on social media about this has been fun to watch over something meaningless as a trade not going through.
Adelaide, presumably, still get Ah Chee while the Lions move to getting ready for the draft & their list in order for next year, same as the Crows.

 

[davemc_lions]

Crows & Lions fans arguing on social media about this has been fun to watch over something meaningless as a trade not going through.
Adelaide, presumably, still get Ah Chee while the Lions move to getting ready for the draft & their list in order for next year, same as the Crows.

Yep only real loser on all of this is Cal and his family.

 

[Toffee Lion]

Yep only real loser on all of this is Cal and his family.

I do sympathise how this has played out and he'll have a tiny amount of stress until it's sorted but he is going to WELL off.

They will be fine.

 

[mattsmob]

The fact the Crows weren’t even interested in negotiating makes me think the PSD was their plan all along. Absolutely pathetic, shows they’re an amateur club and nothing to worry about on field for a while though

 

[SpecialBruce]

I don't think Cal will be too upset personally.

 

[SpecialBruce]

The fact the Crows weren’t even interested in negotiating makes me think the PSD was their plan all along. Absolutely pathetic, shows they’re an amateur club and nothing to worry about on field for a while though

100%

They are used to that

 

[mpal6]

Not likely to happen but imagine the melts if Cal decided to stay with us

If Fagan picks up the phone and calls Ah Chee, anything can happen.

 

[mpal6]

The fact the Crows weren’t even interested in negotiating makes me think the PSD was their plan all along. Absolutely pathetic, shows they’re an amateur club and nothing to worry about on field for a while though

I've always believed they are a bit out of touch in terms of trading since they went from 15th to 1st in one big jump.

They'll adjust in coming years when they keep running into issues during future trades.

 

[Dalions]

Yep only real loser on all of this is Cal and his family.

I wouldn’t call Cal a loser from all of this, in fact if his Manager plays this right he could actually force Adelaide’s offer up even more for Cal.
But he has already partially ****ed that up by saying they will only deal with the Crows.
Silly Ben he is!

 

[luthor]

Crom offer went from F2 to F2 and F3 in 10 days.

They must have agonised over tacking on that F3

 

[mattsmob]

I've always believed they are a bit out of touch in terms of trading since they went from 15th to 1st in one big jump.

They'll adjust in coming years when they keep running into issues during future trades.

Yeah they won’t get anywhere by trying to rip off other clubs. Dom is known as a tough negotiator but at least everyone knows what they’re in for and that’s generally a pretty fair deal and things will get done. After the latest reports about the Crows not budging at all this whole thing definitely reflects far worse on them.

 

[morsie]

I honestly couldn't care less for Cal. He has chosen to chase a big pay day, that's all well & good, no issue there.

But he has chosen a club that thought they could just open a cheque book, entice the player to leave & under compensate the club that has made him a two time premiership player.

If a deal was negotiated for a pick in the 20 - 25 range we would have jumped at it, and it would have been in the ball park of fair value.

The Crom have always been dead to me. Now Cal is too.

Also amazing all the media agreeing Csl was not worth afirst rounder but Curnow is worth 3 plus change

 

[the rookie]

This is amateur hour from the Crows. I see it in my business area all the time. These guys who don't think long term. Take the Trump approach that if you don't lose in our negotiations then I didn't win. It's short-termism at its worst. The industry is small, like mine. People who are successful work to get the best outcome for everyone and can see others as partners, not necessarily competitors. The problem is that they won't understand, when someone doesn't trust them in the future, that they did it to themselves. I've seen so many people leave my industry bewildered by why things didn't go their way after they tried to bully everyone else. Their post trade media performances really reinforce their inability to think about this. It's not a zero sum game. Anyway, we'll be fine. It was a very positive trade period really, with a bit of fun at the end!

 

[BangyBangy]

Also amazing all the media agreeing Csl was not worth afirst rounder but Curnow is worth 3 plus change

Not to mention the fact all they spouted out was that we wanted 16 for Cal & he wasn't worth that.

The offer of 23 & Cal for 16 & F2 was pretty reasonable, but that's not the narrative the media ran with.

Similar to the Jack Martin shafting. All Gold Coast wanted was a swap of first rounders.

Carlton: Nope.

PSD clubs are grubby. It's a very short sighted way to do business too.

 

[Pns_blister]

My sources are telling me Ah Chee has actually agreed to pay the Lions to play for them next year.

For real though, it’s probably already been posted but Ambrogio’s full interview with Edmund and Cornes this morning was so good.

Communicating to them that most of the times they have gone after players they have felt uncomfortable with the asking price, but ultimately had to pay up more than they wanted, as it was incumbent upon them to get the deal done for the player.

Then following that up my stating, “whilst we felt uncomfortable at the time, I can say we’ve never had any regrets.”

This is trading in a nutshell. You put forward an offer, get the player to commit, it’s on you to get that deal done.

None of the proposed deals which have been made public were manifestly unjust.

Love how well spoken and pragmatic Ambrogio is. Being pragmatic and unemotive are the cornerstones of what make him so good.

 

[p4p1]

This is amateur hour from the Crows. I see it in my business area all the time. These guys who don't think long term. Take the Trump approach that if you don't lose in our negotiations then I didn't win. It's short-termism at its worst. The industry is small, like mine. People who are successful work to get the best outcome for everyone and can see others as partners, not necessarily competitors. The problem is that they won't understand, when someone doesn't trust them in the future, that they did it to themselves. I've seen so many people leave my industry bewildered by why things didn't go their way after they tried to bully everyone else. Their post trade media performances really reinforce their inability to think about this. It's not a zero sum game. Anyway, we'll be fine. It was a very positive trade period really, with a bit of fun at the end!

This is such a great point. Deals can be made so everyone is a winner, or in the case of it being a player that the other club doesn't want to lose, giving a fair deal to the club losing the player. But the whole idea of 'I can't have won this deal unless I ripped you off' is a bad business case if that is your MO. Eventually no one who has other options wants to work with you.

Trump who is the most famous to have this attitude has succeeded in getting richer despite himself rather than because of himself. His most profitable deals have been ones where he had a minority and the deal was made while he was kicking and screaming, going through the courts to stop sales etc. Warren Buffett (sp) said if he had have just left his inheritance in an index fund or something similar he would be worth 10x as much.* You have to conclude that his way of doing business is counter productive.


*This was before he was president and started blatantly ripping off the American public.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

Crows have been picking those type of role players off regularly, Keayes, Hinge, ANB, Peatling, Cummings and now Ah Chee. Those are the exact type of players that we will be most vulnerable to losing, Answerth, Reville, potentially Marshall as it stands.

Stating the obvious here, but one of the big appeals to those teams would be there potential trade value. Making a hardline stance will make the players managers ensure potential suiters are willing to pay fair price. If that price is pick 35-40 in nexts year draft, that is capital well spent.

 

[troppo]

There is always the possibility that Cal will decide to go home to WA after all. The Eagles will get the pick and would only need to match the Crow’s offer.

 

[Maboo]

You list manager is the new Dodoro. Wouldnt take a 2 and a 3 for a guy that not worth a first and I think everyone in the AFL world knows that. You piss of a player manager for what...it just sours people against wanting to go there if they cant look after players who have won them a flag.

Who is this clown? what a load of dribble

 

[T Rick]

My sources are telling me Ah Chee has actually agreed to pay the Lions to play for them next year.

For real though, it’s probably already been posted but Ambrogio’s full interview with Edmund and Cornes this morning was so good.

Communicating to them that most of the times they have gone after players they have felt uncomfortable with the asking price, but ultimately had to pay up more than they wanted, as it was incumbent upon them to get the deal done for the player.

Then following that up my stating, “whilst we felt uncomfortable at the time, I can say we’ve never had any regrets.”

This is trading in a nutshell. You put forward an offer, get the player to commit, it’s on you to get that deal done.

None of the proposed deals which have been made public were manifestly unjust.

Love how well spoken and pragmatic Ambrogio is. Being pragmatic and unemotive are the cornerstones of what make him so good.

Dom has a long positive history with Cal dating back to when both were at the Suns and he was pivotal in getting him to the Lions when he appeared to be going nowhere at the Suns. I would be very surprised if Dom has not had a good conversation with Cal post last night.

 

[Perrip]

Lions confirm further list changes for 2026

The Brisbane Lions confirm the Club has made further list changes ahead of 2026.

www.lions.com.au

 

[BangyBangy]

Who is this clown? what a load of dribble

Buttons does sound like a clown name.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Lions confirm further list changes for 2026

The Brisbane Lions confirm the Club has made further list changes ahead of 2026.

www.lions.com.au

Great news

Still waiting on Conor and Joyce?