List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[phantom13]

You’d prefer him to be smiling when we’re playing like sh*t?
Ot maybe annoyed with his body playing up?
What does disinterested look like? Very easy accusation to make.
Not making contests enough? Maybe physically hindered?

Very easy to make judgements from the stands or the couch.

Did you bother to read the whole post or just go off based on the headline?

I said he’s PERCIEVED that way, also fwiw as a captain of a young club, yeh, enthusiasm and encouragement would be better than disinterested.

I also said he’s clearly good internally given the voting has him as captain.

I’ve got no issue with Jack as captain at all, I suspect it might be best for everyone if someone else gets it from next year onwards but he’s not doing anything wrong.

Maybe relax a little and don’t assume a pretty accepted comment is a direct criticism.

 

[phantom13]

I hope you're right regarding Hammer as I think he has far greater scope to become a good defender vs forward, but I can't see us playing him, Aleer, Wilkie and Tauru in the same backline. I'd rather just stick with the three that we have (plus senior backup Howard and developing tall Barrat) rather than spending significant cap and draft capital on Aleer.

Also, for people talking about how we can easily afford to get TDK and Aleer while re-signing Nas etc etc...that's an incredibly short-sighted view. Having a huge chunk of your cap tied up in a few massive long term contracts simply doesn't end well. Then you'd start to see players being told that they have to accept below market value if they want to stay in a few years. I have no doubt that we'd see players hitting their prime mid TDK/King contracts leaving the club so they can be paid fair market value. We already lowballed Battle last year and it sounds like we're doing the same to Windy right now - this is how cap space is kept open for our "big fish"

I see hammer as a true lock down and then Aleer and Tauru as hybrid/interceptors. Both seem to have great pace and agility too so it’s not quite like playing three big trucks in defense.

Wilkie probably takes a small and can also peel off to help Camma more. It’ll be horses for courses. We can (and should) play them all against Adelaide, we probably can’t against say West Coast.


Agree on the second point although I don’t know that Aleer on $750k is too big a concern, that’s not that much. $1.7 on TDK, $1.5 on Nas (if he stays) and $800k on Roma to not play is real limiting

 

[stavro#4]

I see hammer as a true lock down and then Aleer and Tauru as hybrid/interceptors. Both seem to have great pace and agility too so it’s not quite like playing three big trucks in defense.

Wilkie probably takes a small and can also peel off to help Camma more. It’ll be horses for courses. We can (and should) play them all against Adelaide, we probably can’t against say West Coast.


Agree on the second point although I don’t know that Aleer on $750k is too big a concern, that’s not that much. $1.7 on TDK, $1.5 on Nas (if he stays) and $800k on Roma to not play is real limiting

Would your bottom point just highlight that the offer can’t be 1.7m flat and it would have to have triggers for the extra cash built in such as BnF placing/AA guernseys etc.

In which case it’s pretty full proof in that it only could hurt us if he is an utter superstar for us.

 

[phantom13]

Unless Tony says for us to start preparing ourselves for a life without Nas, he isn't leaving. Just because he hasn't re-signed this minute doesn't mean he is automatically going. There could be a myriad of reasons why it hasn't been announced--he is happy with 2 but we are trying to get him to sign for longer, they want to announce a group of players at once (Windy, Nas and Keeler), they may be waiting for us to have a win (we have been on a losing streak), Ben Williams causing delays to squeeze more money or the recent death in his family etc. etc. Who knows. All I can say is if the main player for our game plan for the next 5-10 years is going to leave and we believe so, our brain's trust don't look too worried--RTB in particular is pretty darn relaxed.

One last thing, has anyone heard any credible leak from an Adelaide club that he has indicated he wants to join them? I recall lots of leaks about Battle meeting with Sam Mitchell etc before he left.

Be patient!

We know he met with both when he went home in the bye week dont we?

I’m not so sure. Everyone was adamant Battle was staying.

It looks more and more like his management has told Adelaide clubs to prep trade deals and us to prep a back up contract knowing they’ll both struggle to satisfy a deal. The longer in the year it goes the less likely it looks he’ll stay.

Hope I’m wrong but in reality if he’s going but had the backup contract with us then we’re not getting bent over at the trade table

 

[_Maximus_12]

Liking your posts.
You sound ITK.
Gut feel on NAS?

Haha not an itk. Reader of tea leaves of late.
Gut feel, can’t see how he leaves yet. He wants to play at port if he goes home, and there’s too much uncertainty around their trajectory to leave now.

 

[phantom13]

Would your bottom point just highlight that the offer can’t be 1.7m flat and it would have to have triggers for the extra cash built in such as BnF placing/AA guernseys etc.

In which case it’s pretty full proof in that it only could hurt us if he is an utter superstar for us.

No idea tbh. I’d assume so

 

[littlecreatures]

I see hammer as a true lock down and then Aleer and Tauru as hybrid/interceptors. Both seem to have great pace and agility too so it’s not quite like playing three big trucks in defense.

Wilkie probably takes a small and can also peel off to help Camma more. It’ll be horses for courses. We can (and should) play them all against Adelaide, we probably can’t against say West Coast.


Agree on the second point although I don’t know that Aleer on $750k is too big a concern, that’s not that much. $1.7 on TDK, $1.5 on Nas (if he stays) and $800k on Roma to not play is real limiting

Getable this week is saying the offers from Port and Crows are front ended at around the 2m/year mark, so we’ve got a bit more work to do to close the gap. This will be make or break.

 

[Thirsty_NeedBeer]

Unless Tony says for us to start preparing ourselves for a life without Nas, he isn't leaving. Just because he hasn't re-signed this minute doesn't mean he is automatically going. There could be a myriad of reasons why it hasn't been announced--he is happy with 2 but we are trying to get him to sign for longer, they want to announce a group of players at once (Windy, Nas and Keeler), they may be waiting for us to have a win (we have been on a losing streak), Ben Williams causing delays to squeeze more money or the recent death in his family etc. etc. Who knows. All I can say is if the main player for our game plan for the next 5-10 years is going to leave and we believe so, our brain's trust don't look too worried--RTB in particular is pretty darn relaxed.

One last thing, has anyone heard any credible leak from an Adelaide club that he has indicated he wants to join them? I recall lots of leaks about Battle meeting with Sam Mitchell etc before he left.

Be patient!

Genuine question. When was the last time an out of contract big name went this deep into a season without re-committing? Didn’t Dustin Martin re-sign at the arse end of 2016 around September?

The longer it takes, the longer I have my doubts, along with Windy. But what do I know?

 

[phantom13]

Getable this week is saying the offers from Port and Crows are front ended at around the 2m/year mark, so we’ve got a bit more work to do to close the gap. This will be make or break.

Make it $2.5, I don’t care what we pay him at this point

 

[billings2paddy]

Make it $2.5, I don’t care what we pay him at this point

If Port and Adelaide are paying 2mill a year the trade will have to be in relevant value to that money.
FWIW both don't have the capital to make it happen and NAS seems happy at the saints.

 

[_Maximus_12]

We shouldnt NOW, if we singed TDK, Nas and Rowell (or Butters or whatever) i cant see how we wouldnt.

Wed need to be deciding who we can afford to lose at that point.

Dougal, Cordy, Jones = $1.2m+ replaced with rookie wages.
Marshall $800k

Plus our available cap space, a fair bit to spend.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Did you bother to read the whole post or just go off based on the headline?

I said he’s PERCIEVED that way, also fwiw as a captain of a young club, yeh, enthusiasm and encouragement would be better than disinterested.

I also said he’s clearly good internally given the voting has him as captain.

I’ve got no issue with Jack as captain at all, I suspect it might be best for everyone if someone else gets it from next year onwards but he’s not doing anything wrong.

Maybe relax a little and don’t assume a pretty accepted comment is a direct criticism.

Your post said nothing about “perceived” just by the way.

No need to get on your high horse.

Giving my response and citing reasons to contradict what you said about his being disinterested. Pretty sure that’s what a forum is about.

I read everything, and I’m perfectly relaxed, thanks.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Genuine question. When was the last time an out of contract big name went this deep into a season without re-committing? Didn’t Dustin Martin re-sign at the arse end of 2016 around September?

The longer it takes, the longer I have my doubts, along with Windy. But what do I know?

Does everyone remember how late De Goey went, though he was a free agent.

 

[phantom13]

Your post said nothing about “perceived” just by the way.

No need to get on your high horse.

Giving my response and citing reasons to contradict what you said about his being disinterested. Pretty sure that’s what a forum is about.

I read everything, and I’m perfectly relaxed, thanks.

What do you think “how he looks” means?

That’s perception, not how he actually is.

My post defended him as a captain but noted how he is viewed (which is something that’s been discussion by saints and non saints a like).

 

[SainterinSydney]

If Port and Adelaide are paying 2mill a year the trade will have to be in relevant value to that money.
FWIW both don't have the capital to make it happen and NAS seems happy at the saints.

We can outspend those campaigners until the cows come home. Not worried.

 

[phantom13]

Dougal, Cordy, Jones = $1.2m+ replaced with rookie wages.
Marshall $800k

Plus our available cap space, a fair bit to spend.

If we’re offering Rowell $2m then allllll of the above only cover him (and that’s assuming they’re all out of contract and we trade Marshall).

I may not have been clear. TDK and Nas. No issue. TDK, Nas AND Rowell (or butters) were definitely getting into cap issues to keep everyone.

 

[phantom13]

If Port and Adelaide are paying 2mill a year the trade will have to be in relevant value to that money.
FWIW both don't have the capital to make it happen and NAS seems happy at the saints.

Unfortunately the trade doesn’t have to match the contract.

Neither team has anything close to market rate for Nas (Butters aside).

I think if Nas asks to go we will almost certainly wind up taking something that is unders, fortunately SOS and co won’t accept comical unders and I see no way any deal is done without at least one player.

If port (or Adelaide) **** around with it I think he’ll stay with us. His ooc status in this instance almost becomes irrelevant

 

[_Maximus_12]

If we’re offering Rowell $2m then allllll of the above only cover him (and that’s assuming they’re all out of contract and we trade Marshall).

I may not have been clear. TDK and Nas. No issue. TDK, Nas AND Rowell (or butters) were definitely getting into cap issues to keep everyone.

i don’t know the ins and outs of our cap situation truthfully but the confidence in going after all of these players suggests we’ve got more than enough

 

[ESPN8 The Ocho]

IIRC, the Port List Manager lives in Melbourne?
Why would NAS need to go to Adelaide to do anything Port related?

 

[phantom13]

i don’t know the ins and outs of our cap situation truthfully but the confidence in going after all of these players suggests we’ve got more than enough

Honestly I’m not even sure we fully went after Rowell, I suspect it’s a Callaghan situation.

If Nas, TDK and Rowell would be 5.3m (1.5, 1.7 and 2) the salary cap in 2026 is gonna be $15.3m (rising in 2027) then we have $10m across 40 players.

That’s ****ing tight by any measure.

 

[stavro#4]

No idea tbh. I’d assume so

So then this entire TDK is going to heck our cap and we are screwed…. Just won’t be true.

 

[stavro#4]

Honestly I’m not even sure we fully went after Rowell, I suspect it’s a Callaghan situation.

If Nas, TDK and Rowell would be 5.3m (1.5, 1.7 and 2) the salary cap in 2026 is gonna be $15.3m (rising in 2027) then we have $10m across 40 players.

That’s ****ing tight by any measure.

Doesn’t factor in that we have paid 5% forward on existing deals in 24+25.

Billings has us contributing a few 100k to his demons deal. Comes off the book end of this season.

Etc.

It’s not as simple as what you are saying.

 

[phantom13]

So then this entire TDK is going to heck our cap and we are screwed…. Just won’t be true.

Its still money weve gotta pay him?

The only outside the cap bit would be the marketing money.

FWIW, i said a few times TDK and Nas arent gonna **** the cap, TDK, Nas and Rowell (or Butter i suppose) starts to get very tricky with some of the guys that deserve bumps.

You can argue the toss over whether there is any ego on guys potentially being dirty at getting an extra $200k when TDK is getting $1.7m (im always a bit mixed on how much impact there is in that regard noting i doubt its zero) but $5m(ish) on 3 guys with a potential extra $800k on someone who wont play much if at all (ROMA not King).

Its getting difficult to manage them all.

 

[phantom13]

Doesn’t factor in that we have paid 5% forward on existing deals in 24+25.

Billings has us contributing a few 100k to his demons deal. Comes off the book end of this season.

Etc.

It’s not as simple as what you are saying.

sigh...

Sure stav, sure.

 

[gringo2011]

The fact that I don't even know which year you're talking about says it all for me, but play on lol

2020 when he finished 3rd in the Brownlow was his best year. He's tapered off since then. Probably a combination of injury and midfield mix but he hasn't had a sustained period of good form in a long time.