List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[yibbida]

As it currently stands …


2025
1. Jack Silvagni
3. Jesse Motlop
11. Mitch McGovern
12. Tom De Koning
14. Orazio Fantasia
15. Sam Docherty
17. Brodie Kemp
26. Nick Haynes
31. Harry Lemmey
34. Rob Monahan (International Rookie Cat B)
38. Will White (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025) ?
39. Alex Cincotta (Pre-season SSP 2023)
41. Matt Duffy (International Rookie Cat B) ?
44. Francis Evans (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025) ?
45. Flynn Young (MSD Rookie 2025) ?

9 Primary lists players OOC
3 Cat A rookies OOC
2 Cat B rookies OOC

We need to have 3 primary list spots open for the National Draft.

1. Jack Silvagni - gone?
3. Jesse Motlop -
11. Mitch McGovern
12. Tom De Koning -gone?
14. Orazio Fantasia - 50/50
15. Sam Docherty - retired
17. Brodie Kemp
26. Nick Haynes
31. Harry Lemmey - 50/50

If Silvagni and TDK both go, with Doc's retirement we technically wouldn't need to delist anyone else. I think Fantasia and Lemmey's fate might be tied to our free agents.

Motlop, Haynes and Kemp will be retained (unless we get a great offer for Motlop). McGovern could be good depth on the "rookie" list if we do delist him.

Cat A rookies:

38. Will White (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025)
39. Alex Cincotta (Pre-season SSP 2023)
44. Francis Evans (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025)
45. Flynn Young (MSD Rookie 2025)

Does Cincotta need to be elevated or delisted now?
Evans 100% gets another year at least.
Happy to keep the other 2 for another season.

Cat B rookies:

34. Rob Monahan (International Rookie Cat B)
41. Matt Duffy (International Rookie Cat B)

No idea. But if we get rid of both of them, how does that affect our list makeup? Can we add additional players to the primary list? We only have the minimum number of primary list players at the moment.

 

[Crippa#9]

So 9 off the primary list and 1 Cat A Rookie and 2 Cat B Rookies?

thats a lot of players to replace in a single off-season.

time to get busy then because the ones I have delisted aren't improving us IMO.

 

[circusdevil]

If Lemmey is delisted expect him to be offered a rookie spot

Haven't Port shown some interest? If we delist him, I'd guess he's Port bound

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

9 Primary lists players OOC
3 Cat A rookies OOC
2 Cat B rookies OOC

We need to have 3 primary list spots open for the National Draft.

1. Jack Silvagni - gone?
3. Jesse Motlop -
11. Mitch McGovern
12. Tom De Koning -gone?
14. Orazio Fantasia - 50/50
15. Sam Docherty - retired
17. Brodie Kemp
26. Nick Haynes
31. Harry Lemmey - 50/50

If Silvagni and TDK both go, with Doc's retirement we technically wouldn't need to delist anyone else. I think Fantasia and Lemmey's fate might be tied to our free agents.

Motlop, Haynes and Kemp will be retained (unless we get a great offer for Motlop). McGovern could be good depth on the "rookie" list if we do delist him.

Cat A rookies:

38. Will White (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025)
39. Alex Cincotta (Pre-season SSP 2023)
44. Francis Evans (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025)
45. Flynn Young (MSD Rookie 2025)

Does Cincotta need to be elevated or delisted now?
Evans 100% gets another year at least.
Happy to keep the other 2 for another season.

Cat B rookies:

34. Rob Monahan (International Rookie Cat B)
41. Matt Duffy (International Rookie Cat B)

No idea. But if we get rid of both of them, how does that affect our list makeup? Can we add additional players to the primary list? We only have the minimum number of primary list players at the moment.

White and Flynn were listed due to Jagga and Kemp's injuries.
Have to remove a minimum of 5.

 

[TENACIOUS]

I'd also love to see Walsh take over the captaincy next year from Crippa.

One from way left field.

I’ve always wondered about Kemps leadership skills.

When playing, I’ve noticed he’s often the one talking to the boys when they’re in a huddle.

 

[ctwenty1]

One from way left field.

I’ve always wondered about Kemps leadership skills.

When playing, I’ve noticed he’s often the one talking to the boys when they’re in a huddle.

He’s arranging the evening’s shenanigans

 

[TENACIOUS]

He’s arranging the evening’s shenanigans

Possibly, I’ve always found it interesting.

 

[El Topo]

That Durdin contract is reminiscent of the 3 year list clogger deals we gave out under Ratten/Rogers, he'd otherwise be second to go after Orazio

 

[COACH25]

So a gun young ruckman and a Coleman medalist for 1 good mid yeah nah I'd want alot more than that coming back

Wouldn’t trade curnow. No matter what.
TDK could barely beat a 50 year old ruckman last night .

 

[Uncle Fester]

Cinc's limitations are clear, we cant hold a player whos only role is a lock down tagger. We learnt with Ed Curnow that modern footy doesnt have room for this type of player anymore. Lemmey just looks that far off it that its hard to see it turning, have to cut the chord eventually.

lord's development has doomed Cincotta - which is deeply sad

 

[The Bighouse]

That’s just incorrect. He’s a half back with good defence and offence.

This is the thing, if we’re looking at some run and disposal out of the back half, Cinc is an option that can use both the left & right boot (can miss targets but does look good most of the time) & can defend.

 

[The Bighouse]

Who I think are strong chance to depart:

Docherty - retired
De Koning - exiting via free agency
Silvagni - exiting via free agency
Acres - traded (3rd rounder?)
McGovern - exiting via free agency. (would like him to stay as back-line cover for 12 months)
Fantasia - delisted
Lemmey - delisted
Cincotta - delisted
Boyd - delisted
White - delisted / maybe rookie'd.
Duffy - delisted
Monahan - delisted.

I think the club may even look at contracted players in Jaxon Binns, Lewis Young and Lachie Fogarty and see if they can move their deals onto another club. Fogarty & Binns in particular.

Expecting MOTLOP, EVANS, HAYNES, KEMP, FLYNN YOUNG, WILSON to be given 1-2 year contracts.

Boyd is contracted so belongs in the below list with Binns, LY & Fogarty.

Cat B’s for Monahan & Duffy (who assumed has another year). Need to persist with our program to give these guys a true shot.

Wilson has already been given another year.

 

[SurreyBlue]

This is the thing, if we’re looking at some run and disposal out of the back half, Cinc is an option that can use both the left & right boot (can miss targets but does look good most of the time) & can defend.

Boyd as well.

 

[Gointocarlton]

Boyd is contracted so belongs in the below list with Binns, LY & Fogarty.

Cat B’s for Monahan & Duffy (who assumed has another year). Need to persist with our program to give these guys a true shot.

Wilson has already been given another year.

Can we not use SOS and Gov money to pump up TDKs offer?

 

[Coops93]

Cincotta is a limited player. He's not very creative offensively and is only really viable as a defensive minded player. He did well as a defensive forward, but not as an attacking threat.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Can we not use SOS and Gov money to pump up TDKs offer?

I'm sure we can but I wouldn't, not because I don't want TdK to stay but because we must stick to our salary structures and adhere to the rankings. This is important for team culture and morale.

 

[Garters]

White and Flynn were listed due to Jagga and Kemp's injuries.
Have to remove a minimum of 5.

Only 5. There are so many to choose from though.Lets put the min at 7 and go for 10

 

[SurreyBlue]

Here are the players that I feel are in trouble and that's not including TdK or JSoS, although I feel these 2 are done.

Docherty (Retired)
McGovern (Trade)
Acres (Trade)
Fantasia
Fogarty
Binns
White

 

[Its an amigo!]

I'm sure we can but I wouldn't, not because I don't want TdK to stay but because we must stick to our salary structures and adhere to the rankings. This is important for team culture and morale.

Absolutely. Probably not about if we can match, but just how irresponsible it would be to match. To put it in perspective, if the reported offer for TDK is true, not only would he be the highest paid player on our list by a fair margin, he would be on equal to Patrick Cripps and Charlie Curnow reported combined salaries.

So TDK salary = same as Captain with a brownlow medal and five club best and fairests, and the Vice captain with two Coleman medals.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Walshy is going nowhere!!!

 

[jooce8891]

Walshy is going nowhere!!!

just give him captain

 

[SurreyBlue]

Absolutely. Probably not about if we can match, but just how irresponsible it would be to match. To put it in perspective, if the reported offer for TDK is true, not only would he be the highest paid player on our list by a fair margin, he would be on equal to Patrick Cripps and Charlie Curnow reported combined salaries.

So TDK salary = same as Captain with a brownlow medal and five club best and fairests, and the Vice captain with two Coleman medals.

Right on. I've said it many times and it's fallen on deaf ears but with the exception of Crippa and only just over, our top 4 or 5 aren't earning more than 1m. That's good management and we can build with another 2 'guns' at that price but we need to get our culture and club mentality right. That is our biggest issue at this minute.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Walshy is going nowhere!!!

I love this BLOKE. EOS.

 

[Garters]

I love this BLOKE. EOS.

But EOS was a woman....

 

[Alice]

Here are the players that I feel are in trouble and that's not including TdK or JSoS, although I feel these 2 are done.

Docherty (Retired)
McGovern (Trade)
Acres (Trade)
Fantasia
Fogarty
Binns
White

Saad has to be traded or retired