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[serial_thrilla]

 

[GingerDocker]

Dude plays with blinders on and I don't think he has much awareness. He's had one good game this year and it's the last one. I wasn't comparing him to JOM but yes if you are then he is more of a 'physical' presence.
He SHOULD be getting better at everything but I think he's close to his ceiling. For the sake of the club I sincerely hope I am wrong.

I thought was at least serviceable against Port and GWS.

He was poor earlier in the year and deserved to be dropped.

 

[yakamoto]

Lawson Himphries should be on our radar for the future. Great one on one defender and excellent distributor of the ball coming out of defence.

 

[LongSerong]

Nothing wrong with having one of your best players at half back.

Hodge was there for a decade and was a huge reason why they were so successful. Youngs kick can help unlock a defensive shape that our current backline is too scared to try penetrate. We look good when we run the ball of HB but if we play a slow game we too often bomb it down the line. Young can help that...

 

[Madas]

I think this year, he could be used more as a burst player in the middle when he comes back from injury.

I don't mind if his midfield minutes are limited a bit next year as well, to allow more Erasmus a few more minutes.

Next year we will have Brayshaw, Serong, Erasmus, Johnson, Wagner (if tagging an centre sq mid), Young and Bolton all fighting for midfield time. Probably Reid as well.

Burst player and weak hamstrings don’t go together well

 

[Purple Jesus]

Put me down for putting Young forward or back for this year. Back to back bad hammies is scary. Jackson and Bolton can be our point of difference offensive threats out of the middle for the year.

Half back for mine.

 

[Paracleet]

They are not putting Young at half back to allow Ras or Jackson to play on ball ffs. You put you best players around the ball and he is one. Happy for Young to rotate back or forward at bit more but until* we have a fourth full time** onballer good enough to demand a decision I can't see it happening. I also fail to see how playing in defence protects his hammy. Didn't help Chapman.

Also Hodge mostly played on ball people, he only rotated back (which was and is unusual). You might be conflating the last 3 years of his career with his whole one (where, to clarify, he was a full time back).

*Already on list: Reid. Still 2 to 4 years away from top footy.
**Jackson will never a be a full time mid. If he's rucking at least 40%, when combined with bench time that effectively leaves a full rotation.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Burst player and weak hamstrings don’t go together well

5 minutes in the midfield is better than 20 minutes in the midfield I would think.

If his Hamstrings are not ready for AFL, then he shouldn't play at all.

 

[Dale147]

 

[freoextra]

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Clearly rates Erasmus.

 

[Superkoops]

Top pick up for trade… but early market slim; 17yo father-son gun’s monster match — Draft Watch

Trade contenders for juicy early pick; 199cm wilcard that has clubs buzzing: Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

Gold Coast want to offload pick 4 (currently - which is aligned to Port Adelaide).

Could this be an opportunity for us to offload our first pick - especially if end up in the top 6.

Assuming at least one compo pick before our first.

Something like:
13-15, 31-33, F2 > 4-6

We keep the two thirds we have (approx 39,51) to bid on Whan.

I must be honest I don’t know the new academy bidding rules as yet.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Top pick up for trade… but early market slim; 17yo father-son gun’s monster match — Draft Watch

Trade contenders for juicy early pick; 199cm wilcard that has clubs buzzing: Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

Gold Coast want to offload pick 4 (currently - which is aligned to Port Adelaide).

Could this be an opportunity for us to offload our first pick - especially if end up in the top 6.

Assuming at least one compo pick before our first.

Something like:
13-15, 31-33, F2 > 4-6

We keep the two thirds we have (approx 39,51) to bid on Whan.

I must be honest I don’t know the new academy bidding rules as yet.

As things stand, our picks after the 1st are enough to match a bid at pick 16 (including discount). Just to go to the extreme, if we win the flag it drags out to like 22 or 23.

Picks in and after the 40s don't do much in terms of matching points.

 

[Docker82]

As things stand, our picks after the 1st are enough to match a bid at pick 16 (including discount). Just to go to the extreme, if we win the flag it drags out to like 22 or 23.

Picks in and after the 40s don't do much in terms of matching points.

Think the best thing we can do if Whan is around the teens is find a bottom eight team willing to get another mid-late first rounder.

Something like two second rounders (2025 and 2026) for our first rounder this year. Next year's first rounder could an option for something similar too if we're sure Robinson is a top 15 pick.

 

[wakojako]

Top pick up for trade… but early market slim; 17yo father-son gun’s monster match — Draft Watch

Trade contenders for juicy early pick; 199cm wilcard that has clubs buzzing: Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

Gold Coast want to offload pick 4 (currently - which is aligned to Port Adelaide).

Could this be an opportunity for us to offload our first pick - especially if end up in the top 6.

Assuming at least one compo pick before our first.

Something like:
13-15, 31-33, F2 > 4-6

We keep the two thirds we have (approx 39,51) to bid on Whan.

I must be honest I don’t know the new academy bidding rules as yet.

If we could secure pick 4, that would be huge for our chase of Pickett.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Think the best thing we can do if Whan is around the teens is find a bottom eight team willing to get another mid-late first rounder.

Something like two second rounders (2025 and 2026) for our first rounder this year. Next year's first rounder could an option for something similar too if we're sure Robinson is a top 15 pick.

The draft is compromised enough that a trade up is feasible if they thought it was worth our time (it probably isn't). Pick 4 is a reach unless we shit the bed massively to end the season, but Sydney's pick might be attainable. Though as we saw last year with Lombard and Kako, it's not about being above where a bid will come, it's about being above where a bid can be threatened.

Hopefully Melbourne are rubbish enough and Kozzy stamps his feet enough that a trade happens and all these other alternatives for what to do with our 1st are moot.

 

[Docker82]

The draft is compromised enough that a trade up is feasible if they thought it was worth our time (it probably isn't). Pick 4 is a reach unless we shit the bed massively to end the season, but Sydney's pick might be attainable. Though as we saw last year with Lombard and Kako, it's not about being above where a bid will come, it's about being above where a bid can be threatened.

Hopefully Melbourne are rubbish enough and Kozzy stamps his feet enough that a trade happens and all these other alternatives for what to do with our 1st are moot.

Dunno how it's all going to work tbh. Trading up might be possible but would need us to go into a points deficit for Whan which won't help us get Robinson the year after. All this assumes the picks/points aren't coming from elsewhere of course.

I think the Essendon strategy where you look like morons for a minute or two when the bid comes later than expected is actually better in the long run. It was Melbourne's first rounder Essendon got from that strategy of trading out their first last year. Short of a big turn in Port for Melbourne, who's laughing now?

 

[Purple Jesus]

They are not putting Young at half back to allow Ras or Jackson to play on ball ffs. You put you best players around the ball and he is one. Happy for Young to rotate back or forward at bit more but until* we have a fourth full time** onballer good enough to demand a decision I can't see it happening. I also fail to see how playing in defence protects his hammy. Didn't help Chapman.

Also Hodge mostly played on ball people, he only rotated back (which was and is unusual). You might be conflating the last 3 years of his career with his whole one (where, to clarify, he was a full time back).

*Already on list: Reid. Still 2 to 4 years away from top footy.
**Jackson will never a be a full time mid. If he's rucking at least 40%, when combined with bench time that effectively leaves a full rotation.

Not for Ras, for his left boot carving teams up. We have enough quality around the ball in the middle. Besides, he can rotate through.

 

[Superkoops]

As things stand, our picks after the 1st are enough to match a bid at pick 16 (including discount). Just to go to the extreme, if we win the flag it drags out to like 22 or 23.

Picks in and after the 40s don't do much in terms of matching points.

So likely we’d have to give up F1 and keep the 2025 second round pick.

Our second and Richmond F3 should be sufficient for Whan. Likely around 31-33 and 39-41.

 

[rgauci]

The GC game conditions suited Erasmus hence his best game for the year and he did 'step up'. JOM however is a far better player (skills, decision-making, versatility and speed) in optimal playing conditions.

JOM has very little lateral movement, if he’s sidestepped he’s done. I’m not convinced he’s faster either. He’s definitely smaller and easier to shrug if tackling someone. Yes , he has a neater kicks, Erasmus can kick further IMO.

 

[rgauci]

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Apparently Chapman had a shocker in round 1. Such poor analysis he was sub.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Apparently Chapman had a shocker in round 1. Such poor analysis he was sub.

To be fair, I was shocked he was sub.

 

[Dale147]

 

[Alfonz]

Top pick up for trade… but early market slim; 17yo father-son gun’s monster match — Draft Watch

Trade contenders for juicy early pick; 199cm wilcard that has clubs buzzing: Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

Gold Coast want to offload pick 4 (currently - which is aligned to Port Adelaide).

Could this be an opportunity for us to offload our first pick - especially if end up in the top 6.

Assuming at least one compo pick before our first.

Something like:
13-15, 31-33, F2 > 4-6

We keep the two thirds we have (approx 39,51) to bid on Whan.

I must be honest I don’t know the new academy bidding rules as yet.

The bidding system has changed significantly. Discount is 10% instead of 20%, and later picks are worth less. Pick 4 is worth 1962 points. If we have 13 + 31, this is only 1509 points. If we lose in a prelim and have 15+33, this is 1355 points and not even remotely close. Yes, a F2 could nudge it up ~400 points, but it would not be enough for GC to be interested. I think we would struggle to even get pick 7 from Sydney.

I've been going through a few scenarios using the picks/points listed on the website below, and I don't think it is going to be that easy to trade firsts for a bunch of picks worth more in points. Maybe there will be some convoluted multi-team pick trades. Maybe the northern clubs just take their 1sts to the draft and see what happens.

AFL Draft Order 2025

View the latest up-to-date 2025 AFL Draft Order. Pick swaps and trades from the AFL Trade Period are included.

www.zerohanger.com

And if we did upgrade our 1st at the expense of our 2nds, then we make it very difficult to match Whan and Robinson. They will probably each need a 2nd + 3rd, and Robinson might need an extra 2nd (maybe even more) if he goes early. I think some might be assuming we are going to get them "cheaply", but that's not going to be the case with the new system. If Pickett wasn't in the equation, then we would be fine. But trying to get all of Whan, Robinson and Pickett could be very tricky.

 

[bigfoopy]

So how good is Toby Whan? I haven’t watched him but numbers say he’s dominating colts footy and one of WAs best yesterday. What’s his draft range atm and do we 100 percent end up drafting him?

 

[gaskin]

So how good is Toby Whan? I haven’t watched him but numbers say he’s dominating colts footy and one of WAs best yesterday. What’s his draft range atm and do we 100 percent end up drafting him?

Early 2nd seems to be his range at the moment.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

Interesting info from Ryan Daniels on Triple M. He says Fremantle have basically dropped out of the race for Kozzie as they will struggle to fit him in their cap. Demons players think he is going to stay now.

Kozzie has a choice of earning 1.2 Million with the Demons or play at Fremantle for much less.