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[serial_thrilla]

 

[freo_leo29]

No there as nothing from Jackson that I saw saying he wanted to go. There was a family spat that got out of hand, the second part is conclusions being drawn from it.

There was plenty there to suggest he is unsettled here in WA.

Personally I don't think moving across the country fixes it anyway but I'm not going to pretend there isn't any substance to the rumours.

Either way, Freo won't trade him and he is locked here for 4 more years + a trigger for 2 (which I'm sure he would hit), so I'm not actually worried about losing him.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

No there as nothing from Jackson that I saw saying he wanted to go. There was a family spat that got out of hand, the second part is conclusions being drawn from it.

I dont believe anyone is saying he was / is definitely trying to leave, just that there was clearly something to the story that family troubles might mean hes open to leaving. To think otherwise is just being willfully ignorant tbh.

Anyone trying to suggest it was/is all bullshit is just living lalaland. There's more than enough evidence to suggest him trying to leave was a possibility

 

[s_wd6]

No there as nothing from Jackson that I saw saying he wanted to go. There was a family spat that got out of hand, the second part is conclusions being drawn from it.

When there are reports that Jackson wants to leave because of family issues, and then those family issues play out publicly it lends validity to the whole story. It’s very head in the sand to think otherwise. He’s not going to come out during the season and say he wants to leave. Doesn’t mean it’s not true.

 

[s_wd6]

What played out publicly exactly? I read it all and there as nothing from Jackson saying he wanted to leave. It is assumptions being made and conclusions being drawn.

I posted a tweet from Daniels saying he wasn't going and you said he was just a mascot for the club and dismissed it. Now you are using him for your claim to authority... Gell-Mann amnesia and some cognitive dissonance mixed in.

Ryan Daniels is the club mascot, so when he says we’re looking to offload Darcy (which was part of the first post you replied to) then it’s definitely true, because it’s not necessarily favourable to the club. He’s also mentioned that the off field issues Jackson is dealing with are very real. “Happy at the club” doesn’t mean he’s not unsettled off field. He was happy at Melbourne and still came home. Both things can be true at once, and Daniels will obviously pedal the favourable narrative. He gets good info (Darcy injuries last year aside) but will always spin it to suit the club narrative.

Kozzy signing means Jackson isn’t going anywhere but to think this was all made up when it’s coming from multiple sources on both sides it’s just playing dumb.

 

[poshman]

I dont believe anyone is saying he was / is definitely trying to leave, just that there was clearly something to the story that family troubles might mean hes open to leaving. To think otherwise is just being willfully ignorant tbh.

Anyone trying to suggest it was/is all bullshit is just living lalaland. There's more than enough evidence to suggest him trying to leave was a possibility

The language used in the post I replied too was that it is part of a deliberate ploy. And that he wants to leave. And that even if he doesn't end up leaving it doesn't mean he didn't want to leave.

Let's not move the goalposts. He also could want to stay and anyone saying otherwise is living in lala land.

There is a vast gap between an argument with your mum, bring good with your brother and then wanting to leave the state.

 

[poshman]

Ryan Daniels is the club mascot, so when he says we’re looking to offload Darcy (which was part of the first post you replied to) then it’s definitely true, because it’s not necessarily favourable to the club. He’s also mentioned that the off field issues Jackson is dealing with are very real. “Happy at the club” doesn’t mean he’s not unsettled off field. He was happy at Melbourne and still came home. Both things can be true at once, and Daniels will obviously pedal the favourable narrative. He gets good info (Darcy injuries last year aside) but will always spin it to suit the club narrative.

Kozzy signing means Jackson isn’t going anywhere but to think this was all made up when it’s coming from multiple sources on both sides it’s just playing dumb.

I didn't say it was all made up and i was referring to Jackson not Darcy. As you can see in all my posts.

Argh so he isn't going anywhere but you were right that he wanted to leave?

If you had said "he might be thinking about leaving but also could be thinking about staying" I would have nothing to argue with.

But sure - you are right and even if he stays you are still right. Happy for you.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

The language used in the post I replied too was that it is part of a deliberate ploy. And that he wants to leave. And that even if he doesn't end up leaving it doesn't mean he didn't want to leave.

Let's not move the goalposts. He also could want to stay and anyone saying otherwise is living in lala land.

There is a vast gap between an argument with your mum, bring good with your brother and then wanting to leave the state.

I disagree with your interpretation of the comments and firmly believe, knowing the nature and type of posters they are, that anchor man meant the whole thing was bullshit, not just moving and s_wd6 meant there was/is something to the background of the story.

Agree to disagree, have a good evening

 

[poshman]

When there are reports that Jackson wants to leave because of family issues, and then those family issues play out publicly it lends validity to the whole story. It’s very head in the sand to think otherwise. He’s not going to come out during the season and say he wants to leave. Doesn’t mean it’s not true.

Did I say it didn't lend any validity to the story? I said it doesn't mean he wants to leave.

You are saying that if he stays it still isn't proof he wants to leave in a period of greater player movement than any other time in history. In that time when players can force their way out, Jackson not leaving would still prove you right that the story was accurate... nice place to argue from.

My argument is that the media isn't reliable. Which has been proven millions of times. Footy media is full of people who expand on stories to get clicks. There is scant regard paid to the truth. Even when players or coaches confront them say they didn't do the thing the journo said and offers proof, there is no action taken against the football media.

The football media has a tiny hit rate on stories.

 

[poshman]

I disagree with your interpretation of the comments and firmly believe, knowing the nature and type of posters they are, that anchor man meant the whole thing was bullshit, not just moving and s_wd6 meant there was/is something to the background of the story.

Agree to disagree, have a good evening

I know the language I used and disagree firmly with your interpretation of my clear comments. I wasn't interacting on behalf on another poset other than s_wd6 and now you. So I have no idea why you are conflating another poster into this. And yes there is something to the background of the story. That also doesn't mean he is wanting to go.

I will have a great evening good sir. You too.

 

[poshman]

There was plenty there to suggest he is unsettled here in WA.

Personally I don't think moving across the country fixes it anyway but I'm not going to pretend there isn't any substance to the rumours.

Either way, Freo won't trade him and he is locked here for 4 more years + a trigger for 2 (which I'm sure he would hit), so I'm not actually worried about losing him.

People really struggle to read - I just said it doesn't mean he wants to go and there is no proof that it means he wants to go.

How anyone can argue that is baffling to me.

I think there is substance to the issues with family. (we agree)

Others are saying he wants to leave and also that even if he does't it isn't proof that he didn't want to leave. He could come out at the end of the year and say he never considered leaving and some here would still cling to their belief that he did in fact want to leave. Based on a media that has a great track.... oh wait, they have a horrible track record.

 

[sdfc]

People really struggle to read - I just said it doesn't mean he wants to go and there is no proof that it means he wants to go.

How anyone can argue that is baffling to me.

I think there is substance to the issues with family. (we agree)

Others are saying he wants to leave and also that even if he does't it isn't proof that he didn't want to leave. He could come out at the end of the year and say he never considered leaving and some here would still cling to their belief that he did in fact want to leave. Based on a media that has a great track.... oh wait, they have a horrible track record.

Who cares. He's signed until 2029.

 

[freo_leo29]

People really struggle to read - I just said it doesn't mean he wants to go and there is no proof that it means he wants to go.

How anyone can argue that is baffling to me.

I think there is substance to the issues with family. (we agree)

Others are saying he wants to leave and also that even if he does't it isn't proof that he didn't want to leave. He could come out at the end of the year and say he never considered leaving and some here would still cling to their belief that he did in fact want to leave. Based on a media that has a great track.... oh wait, they have a horrible track record.

Thats all that needs to be said then

No point arguing back and forth for multiple pages like usual

It's not all BS like the original post in the chain said

 

[poshman]

Thats all that needs to be said then

No point arguing back and forth for multiple pages like usual

It's not all BS like the original post in the chain said

I don't remember calling it BS... I very rarely use crass language so I would be surprised and edit or delete it if I did. So that is nonsense statement to me.

I agree that is all that needed to be said. I offered one counter view on the outcome and three of you failed to read it and now we are here.

 

[freo_leo29]

I don't remember calling it BS... I very rarely use crass language so I would be surprised and edit or delete it if I did. So that is nonsense statement to me.

People really struggle to read

 

[poshman]

Thats all that needs to be said then

No point arguing back and forth for multiple pages like usual

It's not all BS like the original post in the chain said

Cool

And now you are brining up things in an argument with me that I haven't said... who is now going over multiple pages lol

 

[s_wd6]

Did I say it didn't lend any validity to the story? I said it doesn't mean he wants to leave.

You are saying that if he stays it still isn't proof he wants to leave in a period of greater player movement than any other time in history. In that time when players can force their way out, Jackson not leaving would still prove you right that the story was accurate... nice place to argue from.

My argument is that the media isn't reliable. Which has been proven millions of times. Footy media is full of people who expand on stories to get clicks. There is scant regard paid to the truth. Even when players or coaches confront them say they didn't do the thing the journo said and offers proof, there is no action taken against the football media.

The football media has a tiny hit rate on stories.

Difference between something not being “complete bullshit” and actually eventuating. Complete BS means that Jackson never considered even for a second that he wanted to get out of WA. It’s incredibly naive to think that when all the evidence in front of you says otherwise.

Gawn is not getting on radio bringing up Jackson completely unprompted and giving some bs about “outgrowing your Perth friends” as a generic point. He was very directly addressing the Jackson situation from his own conversations with him.

There is literally everything in front of you to tell that it’s not complete BS like the post I originally quoted said.

So yes, even if he extends his contract and plays out his career with us it doesn’t mean that the whole story of him considering a move was just made up fantasy.

Do you reckon all the Kozzy stuff was just made up because he ended up signing a contract?

 

[poshman]

Difference between something not being “complete bullshit” and actually eventuating. Complete BS means that Jackson never considered even for a second that he wanted to get out of WA. It’s incredibly naive to think that when all the evidence in front of you says otherwise.

Gawn is not getting on radio bringing up Jackson completely unprompted and giving some bs about “outgrowing your Perth friends” as a generic point. He was very directly addressing the Jackson situation from his own conversations with him.

There is literally everything in front of you to tell that it’s not complete BS like the post I originally quoted said.

So yes, even if he extends his contract and plays out his career with us it doesn’t mean that the whole story of him considering a move was just made up fantasy.

Do you reckon all the Kozzy stuff was just made up because he ended up signing a contract?

You are now going back to a post I wasn't interacting with. The post I challenged was yours and you were having it both ways, which is nonsense.

We don't know if Gawn has had any conversation with him, let alone conversations. That is a presumption made to build a narrative. In our thread of conversation - not others, ours. You made a claim that Jackson was deliberately making comments to undermine Darcy. Given you think players can do that out of self motivation, do you believe that Gawn could make comments in his or his teams own self interest to put pressure on?

You are again moving the goal posts of the discussion we are having. I will continue to reply when you do if you continue to not discuss the points I am making or continue to move the goal posts of our discussion.

 

[kp junior]

Wait Ryan Daniels is Johnny Docker?

 

[Dirty_banchez]

When did Ryan Daniels say Fremantle is shopping Darcy? It sounds perfectly plausible to me.

 

[eastfreo75]

There was plenty there to suggest he is unsettled here in WA.

Personally I don't think moving across the country fixes it anyway but I'm not going to pretend there isn't any substance to the rumours.

Either way, Freo won't trade him and he is locked here for 4 more years + a trigger for 2 (which I'm sure he would hit), so I'm not actually worried about losing him.

It’s his partner that seems to want to return to Victoria.

In life it’s best not to give into women’s wishes or demands. They don’t respect if you for giving in.

She wants to leave WA, then say goodbye.

 

[eastfreo75]

When did Ryan Daniels say Fremantle is shopping Darcy? It sounds perfectly plausible to me.

List managers needs understand its Australia not America.

Treating players like assets doesn’t translate in Australian culture. Builds a culture of everybody looking after l themselves.

Darcy bleeds purple and trading out that passion for the club isn’t a good idea. Sure Darcy is on good money and isn’t moneyball value.

When players take a little less because of culture does wonderful things in the salary cap. If you trade out Darcy, other players think me first and ask for the max contract because it becomes transitional.

 

[Cesoir]

In life it’s best not to give into women’s wishes or demands. They don’t respect if you for giving in.

Learning life lessons on BF

 

[gaskin]

When did Ryan Daniels say Fremantle is shopping Darcy? It sounds perfectly plausible to me.

He never has as far as I am aware. The most he has said is that if one of Darcy and Jackson leave at the end of the season he believes it will be Darcy.

 

[Dockeroo]

When it comes to footy trade speculation I generally go with the rule of always believe the journo if they are strongly standing by a detailed trade story.
It’s contrary to popular belief - but why would they make it up?

Why would Mitch Cleary, a man with an excellent reputation, invent a completely fabricated but detailed story without any basis in fact whatsoever about Luke Jackson

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being unsettled in Perth and keen to get back to Melbourne??

On the other hand I wouldn’t believe a word a player or club says about a trade target. There is a LONG list of examples of them lying over the years from all 18 AFL clubs.

One example from last year was Xander McGuire breaking the story about Bolton leaving Richmond in June to go to the Fremantle Dockers. It was an exclusive on footy classified with his dad on the panel too! (In hindsight it was obvious - As if a wily old campaigner like Eddie would let his rookie journo son run with a bullshit made up story lol)

Richmond fans went nuts online in response - many like poshman on this thread - refusing point blank to even consider the possibility it might be true that their hero Shai Bolton

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was angling to get out of Richmond.

Fast forward to Oct - Bolton is traded to the dockers.
Xander was 100% right. The Richmond nuffies were in denial and wrong at the time the story broke.

Now if Richmond had decided instead - we are not trading Bolton no matter what in August last year and he’d stayed there - it would not have made Xander McGuire any less correct with his story.

Same when Lachie Neale

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tried to get back to Freo from Brissy in 2021.
It didn’t happen but Rhino was still telling the truth in his story.

The Journalists have a lot more likelihood of telling the truth here than clubs and players.

 

[poshman]

When it comes to footy trade speculation I generally go with the rule of always believe the journo if they are strongly standing by a detailed trade story.
It’s contrary to popular belief - but why would they make it up?

Why would Mitch Cleary, a man with an excellent reputation, invent a completely fabricated but detailed story without any basis in fact whatsoever about Luke Jackson being unsettled in Perth and keen to get back to Melbourne??

On the other hand I wouldn’t believe a word a player or club says about a trade target. There is a LONG list of examples of them lying over the years from all 18 AFL clubs.

One example from last year was Xander McGuire breaking the story about Bolton leaving Richmond in June to go to the Fremantle Dockers. It was an exclusive on footy classified with his dad on the panel too! (In hindsight it was obvious - As if a wily old campaigner like Eddie would let his rookie journo son run with a bullshit made up story lol)

Richmond fans went nuts online in response - many like poshman on this thread - refusing point blank to even consider the possibility it might be true that their hero Shai Bolton was angling to get out of Richmond.

Fast forward to Oct - Bolton is traded to the dockers.
Xander was 100% right. The Richmond nuffies were in denial and wrong at the time the story broke.

Now if Richmond had decided instead - we are not trading Bolton no matter what in August last year and he’d stayed there - it would not have made Xander McGuire any less correct with his story.

Same when Lachie Neale tried to get back to Freo from Brissy in 2021.
It didn’t happen but Rhino was still telling the truth in his story.

The Journalists have a lot more likelihood of telling the truth here than clubs and players.

I haven't refused to consider it at all... intentional bad faith in your argument here. Foolish, nonsense.

People really struggle to read - I just said it doesn't mean he wants to go and there is no proof that it means he wants to go.

How anyone can argue that is baffling to me.

I think there is substance to the issues with family. (we agree)

Others are saying he wants to leave and also that even if he does't it isn't proof that he didn't want to leave. He could come out at the end of the year and say he never considered leaving and some here would still cling to their belief that he did in fact want to leave. Based on a media that has a great track.... oh wait, they have a horrible track record.

How have I gone "nuts"? It undermines your argument when you try to cast me as mentally inept or crazy (both synonyms of nuts) when you haven't looked at my argument.

Very poor form.

Now do all the times when a player hasn't wanted to move and the journo made it up... like with Sean Darcy. It is important you don't conflate one decent to good journo with all journo's.

Why would they make it up? They get paid based on discussion and clicks. Do you not know how the media works?

I can show you a thousand examples of the media doing this and then not walking it back, or posting an article in direct contradiction to a previous article, without the dignity to acknowledge they were wrong in the first place.

If you don't want to do football related examples we can do business articles, covid related articles or others. Happy to run through hundreds of them with you case by case if you are not ready to acknowledge that journalists have a financial motivation to get clicks.