List Mgmt. 2025 Premiership(s) List Making and Trading

[MRB37]

Peak Petracca is better than our current crop at stoppage. Just. But peak Petracca also attended a lot more stoppages per match than our current group who rotate a bit more. Peak Petracca was excellent, but clearances weren't his one wood.

Current Petracca is no better than what we currently have at this specific job.

Do I think he's probably going to be better next year than this year? Yep. Do I think he'd make us better if we got him? Yep. Do I think we should chase him? Yeah, depending on cost and other options.

But I think we have a clear deficiency in our midfield group that was exposed at the back end of the season, and that's not something Petracca's particularly strong at, not to mention his lack of defensive running means to have him in a midfield group you need to set up around him with some strong defensive options or clubs will get out easily.

It'd be like the Bulldogs, a club who are thin on quality key defenders, but the ones they do have are reasonable interceptors and distributors and they just struggle one-on-one, chasing Mark Keane. He'd probably make them better because he's a good player, but his strengths aren't what they're weak in, and his weaknesses aren't ones they'd be well equipped to cover. They'd probably get more benefit out of a Jordon Butts type than Keane, even though Keane's a better player and if asked to, he can play a lockdown role.

We want Trac being the one to exit the stoppage, not the one to distribute. If we ask him to be the distributor, we're taking him away from his strengths. I'd suggest if we get him we'd still need to look at surrounding him with a solid extractor and a solid defensive mid (I think Peatling can do this).



Yeah, I'm not really sure why we relied on long down the line. My feeling would be that it wasn't the plan, but the bail out when the plan wasn't working. I imagine our desired style and ball movement was restricted effectively by the opposition so we had to resort to 50/50s. Which probably is in and of itself the issue - because we're a weak stoppage size, the bail out down the line option that clubs go to when they're not going so well hurts us even more.

Yes, I think we probably need a first possession player. Obviously those guys/Libba/Newc/Neale types would be nice. Even guys like Parish. But we may need to find it from within or get creative (who's out there who could do that role well, but is stuck behind a better distributor/s at their own club). That said, if Greg Swann gets his way stoppages could be reduced enough that the importance first possession has on winning is diminished & we could get away with it being a weakness.

Guys like Davies @ GC, Tsatas @ Essendon, Sheldrick @ Sydney could be those guys, all limited and have issues but have shown strong signs of being a useful distributor. Rowbottom I reckon could be redirected from a defensive mid into it too. Or we might find it internally.

We'll still run centre bounces though and we saw against Hawthorn just how quick they killed our spirit in the first 3 minutes of the game dominating there. Newcombe annihilated us from the centre square and totally killed any chance of us getting first hands on the ball. Still a need to have some sort of ball winning mid, even if there are less overall stoppages around the ground.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

 

[Viva la Mattner]

Looks good in our colours too !

#5 is free Christian

 

[Cromulant]

Only 3 days behind......

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Only 3 days behind......

Yeah, I thought it was an update ....but it was a 3-day old retweet

 

[Skippos]

We'll still run centre bounces though and we saw against Hawthorn just how quick they killed our spirit in the first 3 minutes of the game dominating there. Newcombe annihilated us from the centre square and totally killed any chance of us getting first hands on the ball. Still a need to have some sort of ball winning mid, even if there are less overall stoppages around the ground.

Yep agree. Centre bounces are still stoppages and have a bit of a different skill set required - Trac is a reasonably strong centre bounce guy.

Other thing to note about my feedback on Trac’s stoppage work over the last five years is that it’s mainly data based. He’s played in a system with Oliver (for a long time one of the best inside guys going around) and Viney (a reasonable inside guy and defensive operator) so there’d be less need for him to be that guy and their system wouldn’t ask for it.

Here when we don’t have it, what’s to say he won’t grow into it and prove quite good at it.

I also reckon the Newcombe thing is as much about not having someone to win the ball as it is not having someone to defensively curtail him, or failing that, a strong defensive guy in there who if he does win it, can hopefully close him down or impair his disposal.

 

[Skippos]

Why would Taylor only get a one-year deal? Player, or list management decision? Any inklings??

I don’t see why we wouldn’t give out one year deals to fringe guys who aren’t really what we want yet, unless someone else is out there offering two.

Few players we’ve had on the list over time who’ve gone into a contract year feeling like they’re bound to be delisted because we’ve given them one or two too many years without competition forcing us to. Could make that argument we’re in that spot with Chayce, Borlase and Sholl for next year.

Spat my drink out when Port gave Logan Evans three years mid year this year when he was a fringe MSD guy who’d shown flashes at best and wouldn’t have had anyone queuing up for a multi year deal.

 

[skam85]

Last year we brought in two players from the same club, and a Melbourne long termer.

Bailey, Ah Chee and Petracca = Cumming, Peatling, Neal-Bullen

 

[1990crow]

Last year we brought in two players from the same club, and a Melbourne long termer.

Bailey, Ah Chee and Petracca = Cumming, Peatling, Neal-Bullen

One of those was a free agent though.

 

[Eddie Murphy]

I don’t see why we wouldn’t give out one year deals to fringe guys who aren’t really what we want yet, unless someone else is out there offering two.

Few players we’ve had on the list over time who’ve gone into a contract year feeling like they’re bound to be delisted because we’ve given them one or two too many years without competition forcing us to. Could make that argument we’re in that spot with Chayce, Borlase and Sholl for next year.

Spat my drink out when Port gave Logan Evans three years mid year this year when he was a fringe MSD guy who’d shown flashes at best and wouldn’t have had anyone queuing up for a multi year deal.

Yep. Unexpected given it's not what we usually do, but if it reflects a change in our list management strategy I'm all for it.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

 

[George CantStandYa]

I don’t get this clubs leaving it up to players, we obviously want him to play on otherwise he’d be cut.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

1 year deal interesting

Sounds like he's backing himself to jump up a level next season, into the midfield

Doesn't want to sign a lengthy fringe half forward's contract

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Tex...? Retire please. Finish playing some good football and contributing.

 

[ABAB]

So, if his form is shit he will play in the SANFL? If Walker is worry about that then he probably did notice Nicks still brought back Smith for the Finals........

 

[FR0GGY]

Is that why burgess hasn’t been given his marching orders? Waiting on Tex.

 

[jackster83]

It's pretty crazy how many players we've a invested a significant number of games into during this era that haven't worked out.

Jones 97* games
Murphy 120 games
McHenry 70 games
Schoenberg 62 games
Berry 76* games
Sholl 79* games
Himmelberg 50 games
Hamill 45 games
Rowe 36 games

Pedlar (39* games) and Cook (30*) are unfortunately headed that way too.

Also noting that several of these guys debuted under Pyke.

 

[fossilllCrow]

It's pretty crazy how many players we've a invested a significant number of games into during this era that haven't worked out.

Jones 97* games
Murphy 120 games
McHenry 70 games
Schoenberg 62 games
Berry 76* games
Sholl 79* games
Himmelberg 50 games
Hamill 45 games
Rowe 36 games

Pedlar (39* games) and Cook (30*) are unfortunately headed that way too.

Also noting that several of these guys debuted under Pyke.

Rowe would be handy as a fwd rn

 

[Crow till I die]

I am not fussed that they have let Tex make the call here. He is an outlier in that he is an all time great and if they have told him that SANFL is on the cards with some AFL if injury opens up a spot or he is in banging hot form, thats fine. I'd be happy for him to mentor the players in the SANFL side if he stays on. But will he want to do that?

 

[1990crow]

I don’t get this clubs leaving it up to players, we obviously want him to play on otherwise he’d be cut.

Hawthorn would've told him to retire.

 

[Crow till I die]

Hawthorn would've told him to retire.

If you need a break glass forward if Fog or Thilthorpe are out for any reason, are you taking Burgess or Tex from the SANFL side to come in and do a job next year?

 

[Eddie Murphy]

That's the right way to handle it IMO. Good to hear if he does sign on, we won't be afraid to drop him if his form drops.

 

[Brenton Davy]

I'd be hoping we might rookie Verrall since he was delisted. I think he might just be worth a look in that role we are desperate for - developing ruck forward.

I was more hopeful of shoehorning Dodson out of St Kilda given he’ll fall further down the pecking order with TDK coming in

 

[Scorpus]

It's pretty crazy how many players we've a invested a significant number of games into during this era that haven't worked out.

Jones 97* games
Murphy 120 games
McHenry 70 games
Schoenberg 62 games
Berry 76* games
Sholl 79* games
Himmelberg 50 games
Hamill 45 games
Rowe 36 games

Pedlar (39* games) and Cook (30*) are unfortunately headed that way too.

Also noting that several of these guys debuted under Pyke.

Pedlar has it. Big game player vibes. Need to use him better

Schoenberg and Cook are the only others that at one point maybe looked like they could be long term best 22

 

[Danger Zone]

Pedlar has it. Big game player vibes. Need to use him better

Schoenberg and Cook are the only others that at one point maybe looked like they could be long term best 22

Jones absolutely looked like he was going to be best 22 long term at one point.