List Mgmt. 2025 Premiership(s) List Making and Trading

[Cromulant]

we've done stuff like that for years

I doubt we're the first club to do that

 

[dogs105]

Flanders sucks. He's grossly overrated in the eyes of fans because we've seen him go to half back and rack it up (which is as much about a team game plan as him) and accumulate high numbers in the midfield or half forward pushing up to fourth midfielder roles. But let's look at the periods when Flanders actually had a midfield role. The bulk of it in 2024 came when Miller was out injured - and the way he played is the way that usually attracts brownlow & coaches votes - and yet he didn't really.

2023 R15-24 - averaged 29 disposals (11 CP), 4.8 clearances, 0.3 goals, 0.1 brownlow votes, 1.2 coaches votes in that window.

2024 - R0-2, 16-21 - averaged 31 disposals (11 CP), 5.0 clearances, 0.5 goals, 0.5 brownlow votes, 2.2 coaches votes in that window.

Despite what he did in the back end of 2023 & start of 2024, he was still moved to half back. When Touk got injured, he was moved in again, but on his return, Flanders went back to half forward. They have preferred Davies, Humphrey and Will Graham to Flanders. Touk's a bloody good wing/HFF type, yet they still keep Touk in the mids. They can't be wrong?

Because he's not a goalkicker. He's not a defensive mid. He's not an inside ball winner. He's not an explosive burst guy. He's a link up low-hurt accumulator. He's the kind of guy that you can stick in there when you're not very good and he'll hold it together for you and give you some respect. But there are always going to be better defensive mids. Better extractors. Better offensive mids. He doesn't change your team and he's not a premiership component.

But on your other point - looking at clubs who are leaking players, the one I'd love is Jy Caldwell. He's who I wanted ahead of Chayce Jones in their draft, and while he hasn't become the explosive mid we thought, he's a bloody good player and one Essendon took far too long to realise was actually good.

He's big bodied. He's still got a bit of a burst for that size. He's a lovely kick for a midfielder. He's a really solid defensive guy & he's a really good ball winner. He could do either of the roles we're looking for and IMO is the perfect piece for us.

I doubt they let him go with all the chaos happening there now, but let a man dream.

Hi Skippos ! Glad to see you back!

 

[dogs105]

It takes far too long to move on list cloggers.

Now who gets the Ben Davis rookie list (one foot out of the door) treatment?

Jones, Cook and Welsh are all worthy candidates.

Did Welah only get a one year deal when drafted? Or 2?

 

[dogs105]

Where are we at?

Murphy --> senior spot
Crouch --> senior spot

Schoenberg-> rookie spot
Strachan --> McAndrew (r)

Gallagher --> cat b spot (2 available)



Burgess?
Walker?
Smith?
Taylor?

Are we planning on trading a few out?

 

[Skippos]

Thanks for the perspective, good to see you back

Hi Skippos ! Glad to see you back!

Thanks fellas. Obviously had very little to talk about while we were allegedly a good football team.

 

[crows dude]

Twomey ssys Ahchee to request trade to us once Brisbane’s season ends

 

[Slim258]

Can't see Petracca being worth more than one first round pick

I am hoping that
14 or an F1, 41, 48, Butts and a F2 turn into Petracca, Ah Chee and P

Where are we at?

Murphy --> senior spot
Crouch --> senior spot

Schoenberg-> rookie spot
Strachan --> McAndrew (r)

Gallagher --> cat b spot (2 available)



Burgess?
Walker?
Smith?
Taylor?

Are we planning on trading a few out?

Cotton has taken one of the Cat B rookie spots.

 

[bettingonbetts]

Flanders sucks. He's grossly overrated in the eyes of fans because we've seen him go to half back and rack it up (which is as much about a team game plan as him) and accumulate high numbers in the midfield or half forward pushing up to fourth midfielder roles. But let's look at the periods when Flanders actually had a midfield role. The bulk of it in 2024 came when Miller was out injured - and the way he played is the way that usually attracts brownlow & coaches votes - and yet he didn't really.

2023 R15-24 - averaged 29 disposals (11 CP), 4.8 clearances, 0.3 goals, 0.1 brownlow votes, 1.2 coaches votes in that window.

2024 - R0-2, 16-21 - averaged 31 disposals (11 CP), 5.0 clearances, 0.5 goals, 0.5 brownlow votes, 2.2 coaches votes in that window.

Despite what he did in the back end of 2023 & start of 2024, he was still moved to half back. When Touk got injured, he was moved in again, but on his return, Flanders went back to half forward. They have preferred Davies, Humphrey and Will Graham to Flanders. Touk's a bloody good wing/HFF type, yet they still keep Touk in the mids. They can't be wrong?

Because he's not a goalkicker. He's not a defensive mid. He's not an inside ball winner. He's not an explosive burst guy. He's a link up low-hurt accumulator. He's the kind of guy that you can stick in there when you're not very good and he'll hold it together for you and give you some respect. But there are always going to be better defensive mids. Better extractors. Better offensive mids. He doesn't change your team and he's not a premiership component.

But on your other point - looking at clubs who are leaking players, the one I'd love is Jy Caldwell. He's who I wanted ahead of Chayce Jones in their draft, and while he hasn't become the explosive mid we thought, he's a bloody good player and one Essendon took far too long to realise was actually good.

He's big bodied. He's still got a bit of a burst for that size. He's a lovely kick for a midfielder. He's a really solid defensive guy & he's a really good ball winner. He could do either of the roles we're looking for and IMO is the perfect piece for us.

I doubt they let him go with all the chaos happening there now, but let a man dream.

Love to know I’m not the only one who doesn’t rate Flanders. Not sure what the hype is.
He’s not what we need at all.

Petracca will be perfect for us tbh, him and Ah Chee would be a win (or Oliver under Burgess) and Bailey FA next year.

YES THANKS

 

[latinoheat]

Where’s that spreadsheet with the players contract status? Who posted that ? Can we get it pinned ?

 

[latinoheat]

Here's how the list stands

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Good work Crow-eater . Needs a bit of an update and sticky at top of page I rekon. Bond re signed , Seeya to a few

 

[ams4crows]

If we are trading in a mid no matter who it is I'm asking Berry to explore options at other clubs, as a new star mid and Sid developing further will see him in the twos quite quickly.

 

[GreyCrow]

Where’s that spreadsheet with the players contract status? Who posted that ? Can we get it pinned ?

There is a contract thread

List Mgmt. - AFC Player Contracts - Updates Please

Updated December 18th 2024 Contracted until end of 2031 Darcy Fogarty Contracted until end of 2030 Isaac Cumming Contracted until end of 2029 Jake Soligo Josh Rachele Contracted until end of 2028 Riley Thilthorpe Mark Keane Alex Neal-Bullen James Peatling Nick Murray Contracted until end of...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Vader]

Yep, list management need to save Crom from themselves and delist Smithers now

Tex I think needs to go around one more but manage him way more please ffs lol

My gut feel is that they're giving him time to announce his retirement on his own terms, rather than having the indignity of being delisted.

 

[Vader]

It has to be Welsh, shown the least and at least the other two have AFL qualities of some kind

Welsh is only a 1st year draftee, and we normally give them longer than that. Having said that, he'd certainly want to pull his finger out in 2026.

Cook, Sholl & Jones all out of contract next year and all would be viable candidates for transitioning to the rookie list. I wouldn't be surprised if Sholl was traded though.

 

[plugger59]

Where are we at?

Murphy --> senior spot
Crouch --> senior spot

Schoenberg-> rookie spot
Strachan --> McAndrew (r)

Gallagher --> cat b spot (2 available)



Burgess?
Walker?
Smith?
Taylor?

Are we planning on trading a few out?

I believe it is Tex’s call. 100% his call. The club want him to stay on but he is genuinely unsure. His leadership on and off field is off the scale and they don’t want to lose that just yet. I believe he really doesn’t know if he will go on.

 

[adelaidecrows]

So far no surprises other than Murphy. All the delistings were predictable. Based on the club making several decisions so early, it really does have a feel like the club is ready to cull the last of the deadwood carried over from the rebuild years. Nothing wrong with going to the draft with 5 to 6 picks as a finalist. At some stage players who arent cutting it are a hinderance to the team.

 

[Cromulant]

So far no surprises other than Murphy. All the delistings were predictable. Based on the club making several decisions so early, it really does have a feel like the club is ready to cull the last of the deadwood carried over from the rebuild years. Nothing wrong with going to the draft with 5 to 6 picks as a finalist. At some stage players who arent cutting it are a hinderance to the team.

Murphy was predictable too, if you look past the fear people had that he'd get another deal.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

Sholl, Berry and Taylor would be the ones (at a minimum) you would be asking to explore trade options. Ideally 2 of them go. Nankervis gets one more year and is on notice this time next year if cannot find a role or show anything. Same as Cook.

IF Tex retires, I'd keep Burgess for one more year as break glass depth given how thin our KPD stocks are.

 

[GreyCrow]

Sholl, Berry and Taylor would be the ones (at a minimum) you would be asking to explore trade options. Ideally 2 of them go. Nankervis gets one more year and is on notice this time next year if cannot find a role or show anything. Same as Cook.

IF Tex retires, I'd keep Burgess for one more year as break glass depth given how thin our KPD stocks are.

Berry signed for 2 years? Still has a year to go?

I would keep him but if he gets a better offer sure

 

[Cromulant]

Id be keeping Taylor too, hes the anti-Berry

 

[Vader]

So far no surprises other than Murphy. All the delistings were predictable. Based on the club making several decisions so early, it really does have a feel like the club is ready to cull the last of the deadwood carried over from the rebuild years. Nothing wrong with going to the draft with 5 to 6 picks as a finalist. At some stage players who arent cutting it are a hinderance to the team.

As has been noted, Murphy was entirely predictable.

I doubt we'll have 5-6 picks at the ND. The changes to date have only created 2x senior (Murphy & Crouch), 1x Cat A rookie (Schoenberg) and 1x Cat B rookie (Gallagher) list vacancies. Note that Strachan's position has already been filled by McAndrew and Cotton effectively replaces Gallagher (with still room for 1 more Cat B rookie should we find one).

The club is likely to add Ah Chee to the list, and is actively hunting for gun midfielders - the media reported yesterday that we have thrown our hats into the ring for both Merrett and Petracca. Even if we trade 1 or 2 players out (e.g. Butts & Sholl) with Smith & Tex retiring, we still won't have enough vacancies for more than 3-4 new draftees.

 

[jenny61_99]

I am hoping that
14 or an F1, 41, 48, Butts and a F2 turn into Petracca, Ah Chee and P

Cotton has taken one of the Cat B rookie spots.

Wasn’t Burgess delisted too?

 

[Vader]

Wasn’t Burgess delisted too?

Not as of yesterday. So far the list changes announced have been Crouch (ret), Murphy (del), Schoenberg (del), Strachan (del) and Gallagher (del).

Source: https://www.afc.com.au/news/1896670/crows-farewell-schoenberg-strachan

That's not to say that Burgess will survive, just that there has not been any formal announcement regarding his departure.

 

[jenny61_99]

Not as of yesterday. So far the list changes announced have been Crouch (ret), Murphy (del), Schoenberg (del), Strachan (del) and Gallagher (del).

Source: https://www.afc.com.au/news/1896670/crows-farewell-schoenberg-strachan

That's not to say that Burgess will survive, just that there has not been any formal announcement regarding his departure.

Hmm, don’t know why I thought Burgess had been delisted…

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

So we played two delistees - possibly three if Smith goes - in key games late in the year?

Smith or any retiree I can actually understand. If they're in our coaches' best 22 and the season is alive, by all means pick them.

What is utterly baffling is the 20 something year olds in the prime of their careers. If they are considered delist-worthy, how on earth are they getting games ahead of players we obviously rate higher?

It's like we're trying to soften the blow of their impending delistment