List Mgmt. 2025 Premiership(s) List Making and Trading

[jackster83]

so you are telling me that no pick 50 or above has gone onto have a steller career?

Got to love this board for writing players off. its always a hilarious fail.

He is coming off a fairly serious knee injury though, so don't expect too much in year 1.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Curtin wasn't coming off a PCL injury after the Nationals and still in rehab when we drafted him. Ludowyke is quite a bit less physically developed than Curtin was when he joined us also. This lad is more Thilthorpe when we drafted him minus the physical development than he is Curtin.

all fair points. my point is plenty of tall skinny kids have got games very early on in their career in good teams too. So while you are likely right, never say never.

 

[Mostyn]

So drafting someone you have big doubts on is ok ?

Who have we drafted?

We traded cheaply for a backup mature tall and gave him a years contract, so we aren't chained to a deal if he doesn't work out. That seems sensible.

 

[adelaidecrows]

He is coming off a fairly serious knee injury though, so don't expect too much in year 1.

Im not. I am stating players can surprise so be wary of the writing off until 2028. I doubt the club would have any expectation of him making AFL until probably late 2027/2028 anyway.

 

[cleanhands]

Who have we drafted?

We traded cheaply for a backup mature tall and gave him a years contract, so we aren't chained to a deal if he doesn't work out. That seems sensible.

It seems strange they were sitting around discussing the TRADE and saying what’s your thoughts on Marley………… I have “ Big doubts on him” good let’s trade him

 

[adelaidecrows]

It seems strange they were sitting around discussing the TRADE and saying what’s your thoughts on Marley………… I have “ Big doubts on him” good let’s trade him

The club obviously rated him for potentially what he offers and probably have watched his progress for awhile. They just have doubts based on his current level of output if he will reach the level needed to be a mainstay on the list long term. Thats all.

 

[Mutineer]

The club obviously rated him for potentially what he offers and probably have watched his progress for awhile. They just have doubts based on his current level of output if he will reach the level needed to be a mainstay on the list long term. Thats all.

How long respectively did Elliot Himmelberg and Ben Davis spend on the list?

 

[adelaidecrows]

How long respectively did Elliot Himmelberg and Ben Davis spend on the list?

Im not arguing. I dont have a problem if he stays on the list longer than 12 months. I genuinely think not only will he be here for awhile but he will play regularly. Plenty of things didnt play in his favour at North. Lack of decent midfield forward transition would have hurt his ability to impact games as a forward.

I think of it this way.

As a mature bodied 197cm tall forward in our forward line, this guy will have every opportunity to get off the chain. He will have the 3rd to 4th best defender on him, so he will likely have a height advantage and from what I have seen he is a good mark. Combine this with clubs worried about Curtin floating down their too, this guy will be living the dream...if he is good enough.

See what happens I guess. But adds good depth and flexibility, especially if he finds form as a forward, could allow us to move Thilthorpe more around the ball.

 

[Vader]

Disagree, the reason they didn't wait for him to be delisted was to guarantee we got him, they wanted him right or wrong and kiboshed anyone else picking him up as a delisted free agent or through the rookie draft by clubs who had picks before us. I'll be very surprised if we only give him the one year given we clearly targeted him.

The club stated the length of his contract at the time of his signature, as reported on ZeroHanger:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rug...shock-trade-for-kangaroos-forward/ar-AA1Oux8i

He was left in limbo by the Kangaroos, along with Will Phillips, as he wasn't offered a contract for 2026, but will join the Crows on a one-year deal.

I'm pretty sure that was also mentioned in the AFC media release at the time, though the article on afc.com.au no longer specifies his contract length.

Maley was out of contract and likely would have been delisted so he got to Adelaide for an exchange of nothing picks. Adelaide got Maley and pick 64, Roos got pick 57 and a 2026 4th round pick.

Yes... an exchange of nothing picks, which neither club was planning on using in the draft. So what part of this makes you think Adelaide valued him highly enough to give him a 2-year contract, contradicting the news reports at the time which stated he'd only been given a one-year contract?

I'm confused... Your positions seem to contradictory both internally (between your 1st and 2nd paragraphs) and with the known facts.

 

[Vader]

In my original post i said i will wait until during the seaon to judge new players, rather than pre-empting based on things like the length of their contract.

I judge players on how they perform... everything else is irrelevant!

I'm just saying that he's a 50/50 chance of being around in 2027, and that he needs to perform if he's going to be offered a new contract for 2027. I'm not sure how this is projecting, given that the club chose to only give him a one-year contract when they signed him.

 

[Vader]

It seems strange they were sitting around discussing the TRADE and saying what’s your thoughts on Marley………… I have “ Big doubts on him” good let’s trade him

Burgess was on the "must delist" pile, leaving us desperately short of depth in the KPF department, and there weren't a large number of other KPFs out there begging to be traded to Adelaide. It's not rocket science!

 

[crowutopia]

I don’t get that you would draft someone you have big doubts on

We traded for him as mentioned before for nothing picks, just to ensure we got him, so your right the club don't have doubts on him and IMO he'll get a couple of years to show what he has

 

[crowutopia]

How long respectively did Elliot Himmelberg and Ben Davis spend on the list?

Why did you have to bring this up, I still have PTSD over Ben Davis

 

[daniel_4tw]

I assumed Maley was brought in to play that second ruck/resting forward position they wanted Sam Draper for.

 

[1970crow]

lol 1990 crow must be writing for addy under name of Brad Lloyd. Full 2 page articles in addy today re crows 2026 and doesn’t even have Max and Rachelle as b graders

He should have his pen licence revoked

as a close to goal small forward, you couldn’t expect much more from Rachele. Max would be invisible to most of the Brad Lloyd’s because his role is almost entirely defensive. He’s low on all the points and disposal ladders, so they don’t see him.

 

[1970crow]

If we moving this forward 12 months then the chase for Free Agents should be in 2. Bailey obviously and Tom Sparrow who I believe would be Unrestricted Free Agent.

Brisbane should/would if Zac doesn't re-sign match & force the trade. (Especially if it is us)

You’d have to think their compo pick will be crap.

 

[1970crow]

You should have learnt by now not to write players off before they have even played a game with the club...

I don’t think he’s writing him off, he’s just saying that a 1 year deal is rare and it suggests lack of confidence by the club and as it stands now, it’s more likely he’ll be off the list than extended. This is a guy that the Roos were happy to see go for absolute peanuts and who accepted an interstate 1 year contract. Fair to say there wasn’t much of a bidding war for his services.

Hoping for a JJ outcome, but not expecting it.

 

[1970crow]

So drafting someone you have big doubts on is ok ?

I’d think you’d have considerable doubts on most players you’d draft outside the top 2 and a half rounds.

 

[1970crow]

so you are telling me that no pick 50 or above has gone onto have a steller career?

Got to love this board for writing players off. its always a hilarious fail.

No he’s saying that early picked talls are much more ready to go whereas the ones in the later rounds tend to be more project type players that need a couple of years in the system to develop.

 

[Mutineer]

The club stated the length of his contract at the time of his signature, as reported on ZeroHanger:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rug...shock-trade-for-kangaroos-forward/ar-AA1Oux8i

I'm pretty sure that was also mentioned in the AFC media release at the time, though the article on afc.com.au no longer specifies his contract length.

Yes... an exchange of nothing picks, which neither club was planning on using in the draft. So what part of this makes you think Adelaide valued him highly enough to give him a 2-year contract, contradicting the news reports at the time which stated he'd only been given a one-year contract?

I'm confused... Your positions seem to contradictory both internally (between your 1st and 2nd paragraphs) and with the known facts.

Pretty simple really they pounced before he became a delisted free agent and every other team then had unfettered access to Maley.

You're the one that's confused not me, the club targeted him, that's not even up for debate. Adelaide offered him an initial 1 year contract and he accepted it, no different to Ben Keays, now the ball is in his court the same as it was with Ben Keays.
The club's recruiters obviously saw aspects in his game they liked (potential upside) for someone that has had very little exposure to higher level football.

The smart money would be on him receiving another rookie contract given this will be Tex's last year, also the fact the ruck rules have changed and Maley has a prodigious leap also hasn't been missed.

Maley with an injury free run will dominate the SANFL with his athleticism and size/height advantage over the smaller SANFL defenders and will be a depth option, at worse similar to Borlase who is currently 3rd in line as a KPD yet he keeps getting a contract

 

[Mostyn]

It seems strange they were sitting around discussing the TRADE and saying what’s your thoughts on Marley………… I have “ Big doubts on him” good let’s trade him

If they have big doubts they wouldn't have traded for him at all.

Would you'd rather we made long term commitments to backups? A one year deal gives us options - it's the same we offer players on the rookie list or a SSP selection, which is how we should view Maley.

This is actually the club doing the right thing, so it's weird people are criticising it. The opposite would be worse

 

[Mostyn]

Pretty simple really they pounced before he became a delisted free agent and every other team then had unfettered access to Maley.

You're the one that's confused not me, the club targeted him, that's not even up for debate. Adelaide offered him an initial 1 year contract and he accepted it, no different to Ben Keays, now the ball is in his court the same as it was with Ben Keays.
The club's recruiters obviously saw aspects in his game they liked (potential upside) for someone that has had very little exposure to higher level football.

The smart money would be on him receiving another rookie contract given this will be Tex's last year, also the fact the ruck rules have changed and Maley has a prodigious leap also hasn't been missed.

Maley with an injury free run will dominate the SANFL with his athleticism and size/height advantage over the smaller SANFL defenders and will be a depth option, at worse similar to Borlase who is currently 3rd in line as a KPD yet he keeps getting a contract

The club offered him a one year deal and said the ball is now in your court.

That's exactly the same thing that Vader said. I don't get what the disagreement is.

I also be think he's most likely to get an extension - but as you said, the ball's in his court to earn it

 

[Mutineer]

The club offered him a one year deal and said the ball is now in your court.

That's exactly the same thing that Vader said. I don't get what the disagreement is.

I also be think he's most likely to get an extension - but as you said, the ball's in his court to earn it

The disagreement is the 50/50 plainly.
Percentages say players we recruit on the rookie list last longer than 1 year, without doing the actual numbers my money would be on it being heavily tilted that way. Unless of course you can do the numbers and prove me wrong.

 

[cleanhands]

If they have big doubts they wouldn't have traded for him at all.

Would you'd rather we made long term commitments to backups? A one year deal gives us options - it's the same we offer players on the rookie list or a SSP selection, which is how we should view Maley.

This is actually the club doing the right thing, so it's weird people are criticising it. The opposite would be worse

Vaders words “big doubts “thats my whole point

 

[Mutineer]

Because they needed to get rid of Burgess, and they knew how bad the 2025 draft class was? Desperate times lead to desperate measures?

Yet they drafted two players nominated as KPF's by Twomey and other media draft writers, Mitch Marsh and Archie Ludowyke. Hamish seemed to be very taken with nabbing Ludowyke in particular.