List Mgmt. 2025 Trade/FA Thread

[manicpie]

Cameron for 2 first rounders and Harley Reid

 

[Exambolor]

Get some leverage and convince Richards to come over?

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Cameron for 2 first rounders and Harley Reid

Nah

Cameron for their first pick seems fair

We on trade that to Gold Coast for Rowell

Everyone wins

Then Collingwood causes another rule change for 2027 after our midfield never loses a centre clearance.

Mercy rule

 

[Bianconeri]

Nah

Cameron for their first pick seems fair

We on trade that to Gold Coast for Rowell

Everyone wins

Then Collingwood causes another rule change for 2027 after our midfield never loses a centre clearance.

Mercy rule

Might be hard without a ruckman

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Might be hard without a ruckman

Yes, because no midfield ever has won clearances by sharking to the opposition ruckman lol

 

[MoreMoore]

Hypothetically SHOULD he depart (i dont think he will) we're well stocked with young rucks who can take the next step, Steene and Smit coming along nicely

And Condon

 

[Scodog10]

Like I suggested in a previous post, if they're worried about teams trading themselves into a position of being uncompetitive, it's what Richmond did this year that's the real issue.

Just seems like a rule that has stayed on the books for no real reason.

Absolutely agree because they’ll be worse than GWS/ GC, but that’s not the spirit of why it was established. I’d be scrapping it or at least tweaking it once three years of trading picks is implemented.

 

[jimmy35]

Didn't North get a few "captains" from other clubs in the 70's under the 10 year rule?

Barry Davis was one, was Rantall another?

Jezza was Captain Coach at the Blosers in 79. Played with the Aints in 1980.

 

[Scodog10]

Hypothetically SHOULD he depart (i dont think he will) we're well stocked with young rucks who can take the next step, Steene and Smit coming along nicely

I’d like it to be post 2026 if he’s departing and this is the discussion. I can’t see Steene on a list next year without significant improvement and Smit is far too raw to be relied upon to be the number 1 in 12 months time. Perhaps you could make a stop gap like Ladhams or Soldo work, but it’s not a risk I’d take hopefully in the midst of a premiership tilt.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

If we lose Cameron and want to get Rowell, I’d try get Moyle part of that deal.

 

[Bianconeri]

Yes, because no midfield ever has won clearances by sharking to the opposition ruckman lol

How many midfields have dominated the clearances doing this relying on sharking for a whole season though? Even our star studded midfield of the 2000s needed a proper ruckman in Darren Jolly to take them over the line.

 

[brysie]

If it's a possibility, I'd chase TDK as hard as possible and look to recoup a draft pick from West Coast if they have serious interest in Cameron.

TDK would provide any team with the ability to either play him as a first ruck, or as that rarest of rare beasts, an effective ruck forward. If we were successful in a pursuit of TDK but retained Cameron, then we TDK would replace Mason in his forward/ruck role.

In any event, we should look to drive his price up (like the Saints currently seem to be doing).

 

[Exambolor]

If it's a possibility, I'd chase TDK as hard as possible and look to recoup a draft pick from West Coast if they have serious interest in Cameron.

TDK would provide any team with the ability to either play him as a first ruck, or as that rarest of rare beasts, an effective ruck forward. If we were successful in a pursuit of TDK but retained Cameron, then we TDK would replace Mason in his forward/ruck role.

In any event, we should look to drive his price up (like the Saints currently seem to be doing).

Overpaying for a ruck, think we’ve heard that story before…..

No doubt TDK is a talented player but he’s commanding way too much

 

[Vankri]

Overpaying for a ruck, think we’ve heard that story before…..

No doubt TDK is a talented player but he’s commanding way too much

Not sure about that on his value, he is closer to being like Gawn than he is to being like Grundy, in the sense that he is a great and dominant contested mark, can have scoreboard impact and his endurance means his opponent is always trailing behind. No disrespect to Grundy who can be very useful to a team when used the way Sydney are using him now, but he certainly wasn’t worth a top 10 contract in the league as essentially a very tall and strong ruck-midfielder that can’t clunk a mark.

I would be hesitant to go to the 1.5m+ TDK will command if I was Carlton but it’s a tough predicament. Hopefully it’s a lose-lose situation for them: let TDK go and they miss out on replacing their older stars with a 25y one, give him what he wants and have an already tight cap locked away for list improvements in other areas of need. The good thing is that this isn’t a situation where a player will sign ‘unders’ for success if Carlton don’t look like a top 4 team all year which I doubt they will.

 

[sr36]

Absolutely agree because they’ll be worse than GWS/ GC, but that’s not the spirit of why it was established. I’d be scrapping it or at least tweaking it once three years of trading picks is implemented.

Isn't it? I thought the reason for the rule was to stop teams becoming uncompetitive?

But they got it the wrong way around in terms of what makes teams uncompetitive. Trading out mature players is the issue - not trading them in.

 

[Apex36]

Might be hard without a ruckman

Plenty of teams have managed to dominate clearances without a good ruckman in the past. If Cameron departs this year we’ll still likely be able to get another year out of Cox as a first ruck while Steene and Smit develop, and then worst case scenario if the other of them are any good we can prepare over the course of 2026 to target a cheaper up and coming ruck via trade.

 

[Scodog10]

Isn't it? I thought the reason for the rule was to stop teams becoming uncompetitive?

But they got it the wrong way around in terms of what makes teams uncompetitive. Trading out mature players is the issue - not trading them in.

The spirit of the rule was to prevent teams from becoming uncompetitive because they haven’t replenished through the draft not because they have. A rule in the spirit of competitive balance for what Richmond did would be to limit 1st Rd picks to say 8 over the same period.

I would suggest that the biggest issue with our request will be opposition clubs. Take St Kilda they’re going bananas trying to lure players and we’re doing it year to year on our ear. How will they respond if NWM requests a trade to Port because he’s not feeling the love? This is the type of rule flaunting Bassett would froth over.

McGuane having a strong year would simplify things even with the timing issue.

 

[sr36]

The spirit of the rule was to prevent teams from becoming uncompetitive because they haven’t replenished through the draft not because they have. A rule in the spirit of competitive balance for what Richmond did would be to limit 1st Rd picks to say 8 over the same period.

I would suggest that the biggest issue with our request will be opposition clubs. Take St Kilda they’re going bananas trying to lure players and we’re doing it year to year on our year. How will they respond if NWM requests a trade to Port because he’s not feeling the love? This is the type of rule flaunting Bassett would froth over.

McGuane having a strong year would simplify things even with the timing issue.

I think they should scrap the rule, but seeing that's unlikely, they really shouldn't let us trade. If the rule is there, their way of enforcing it is to disallow trades that put a team in a position where they don't comply with the rule. The alternative way of enforcing the rule would be to force a team to trade if they haven't got the picks to comply win the relevant year - forcing trades would be a silly way of getting compliance. The whole secret sauces approach to whether or not a rule stands is one of the reason so many of their decisions are on the nose to so many.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Plenty of teams have managed to dominate clearances without a good ruckman in the past. If Cameron departs this year we’ll still likely be able to get another year out of Cox as a first ruck while Steene and Smit develop, and then worst case scenario if the other of them are any good we can prepare over the course of 2026 to target a cheaper up and coming ruck via trade.

Frampton is 28

He’s shown he can ruck to a serviceable standard.

Which with our hypothetical midfield, is more than enough

 

[Bianconeri]

Plenty of teams have managed to dominate clearances without a good ruckman in the past. If Cameron departs this year we’ll still likely be able to get another year out of Cox as a first ruck while Steene and Smit develop, and then worst case scenario if the other of them are any good we can prepare over the course of 2026 to target a cheaper up and coming ruck via trade.

What teams were they? A lot have teams have dominated without a top of the line ruckman but I’m fairly sure most still had a “good” ruckman.

Relying on Cox who’ll be 35 next year hasn’t played through a season being the number 1 ruck and get barely get through a season playing a second ruck and two no name kids without a senior game doesn’t give me confidence in a premiership push.

Frampton is 28

He’s shown he can ruck to a serviceable standard.

Which with our hypothetical midfield, is more than enough

I forgot about Frampton. He could be sold to me as a stop gap but we still lose a bit at the stoppage and around the ground aerial contests.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

What teams were they? A lot have teams have dominated without a top of the line ruckman but I’m fairly sure most still had a “good” ruckman.

Relying on Cox who’ll be 35 next year hasn’t played through a season being the number 1 ruck and get barely get through a season playing a second ruck and two no name kids without a senior game doesn’t give me confidence in a premiership push.



I forgot about Frampton. He could be sold to me as a stop gap but we still lose a bit at the stoppage and around the ground aerial contests.

For me personally it’s a sacrifice worth making for utter midfield dominance

 

[SchuPie]

Have we got Rowell yet?

 

[sr36]

Have we got Rowell yet?

We've sent a cyclone in to blow him our way.

 

[manicpie]

How many midfields have dominated the clearances doing this relying on sharking for a whole season though? Even our star studded midfield of the 2000s needed a proper ruckman in Darren Jolly to take them over the line.

There's enough evidence to say that you don't need a top 5 ruckman to win a flag, However, there's plenty of evidence to suggest you need a pretty good ruckman. Guys like gawn, Briggs, Witts, Dekoning, just to name a few, would destroy a below average ruckman. We would need an upgrade on cox

 

[TradeDraft]

Should we look at Luke Jackson IF Cameron Leaves?