List Mgmt. 2025 Trade/FA Thread

[sr36]

I can’t see how our cap situation would be tight. List spots yes, salary no unless we have a mystery millionaire.

We’ve stopped paying or are stopping payments to Adz and Grundy.

We’ve got a third of our best 22 as oldies on short term contracts with vet payments outside of the cap.

We’ve got some of our bigger contracts signed before the new tv rights were negotiated eg Moore, Jordy or as very reasonable acquisitions eg McStay and Schultz. All would look unders based on current cap.

We’ve got two of our best players and certainly peak age best players in Nick and Josh signed for unders at reportedly 1.1m and 700k.

So that leaves last year’s signings and this year’s re-signing as the only other significant ones. Houston, Perryman, Bobby, Bruzzy and likely soon Cameron. None on 1m+ and none on more than 6 years deal.

You would think if we’re supposedly tight and need to backend Bruzzy’s contract it’s because we are leaving room for the supposed ‘big fish’. This year or next.

We're doing well if it isn't tight. Quality right across the park. Nick isn't just the best player around, I think he's possibly also the best value player around when you hear about $1.5 million contracts.

 

[sideswipe]

I like hit, even though it's as nonsensical as reached.

Squeeze? Trigger sounds cooler than unilateral extension clause.

 

[Pie thon]

So we are enquiring on Bont, chasing Rowell and tight on $$

Something doesn’t add up

I think we are tight based in relying on retirements to afford new players. I did a calculation at the start of the year, based on Hines comments that we could have kept Grundy and Henry for 2023. So 1.2m spare then. Based on all the player movement since. We have Nathan Murphy's salary spare now. And not counting spare money out of Treloar and Grundys payouts, as I used them as pay rises like for Hill and Maynard to keep it all square.
So by adding Mitchell and Cox's wage onto Murphys 500k. We can get Rowell or the Bont. And King from 3 retirements out of Pendles/Sidey/Howe. (They all don't have to retire, one year longer for 1 of them is not stressful on a 5/6 year contract for King.

 

[sideswipe]

We're doing well if it isn't tight. Quality right across the park. Nick isn't just the best player around, I think he's possibly also the best value player around when you hear about $1.5 million contracts.

There is a bit of a hidden, or not so hidden, advantage for a player like Nick. His off-field earnings mean he can afford to leave something on the table for the other blokes.

 

[The Phantom]

basically retiring players can earn a player option if they trigger an extension they can choose not to take it, not sure why one wouldn't but thats as close as we have to that as far as I know

An example might be someone like Membrey.
He may want to turn down the triggered one year extension as another better offer for more money, longer contract, better team may be available.

 

[The Phantom]

Bulldogs just had their testimonial dinner for Bont and Libba at Grossi at the G.
No way Bont is leaving is the feedback I have from an official who attended.

 

[sideswipe]

An example might be someone like Membrey.
He may want to turn down the triggered one year extension as another better offer for more money, longer contract, better team may be available.

No. That's the point of a trigger - from the club's perspective - he can't take another offer as reaching the trigger means he is automatically contracted for the following year.

 

[Pistol Night]

Bulldogs just had their testimonial dinner for Bont and Libba at Grossi at the G.
No way Bont is leaving is the feedback I have from an official who attended.

Oh well. Butters it is

 

[Vankri]

We're doing well if it isn't tight. Quality right across the park. Nick isn't just the best player around, I think he's possibly also the best value player around when you hear about $1.5 million contracts.

Best value for sure. Maybe pipped by Ned Long and Cameron this year on outdated pay packets.

Thing is with the cap its size of contracts and length. Considering so many of ours are not locked up for years it just creates so much flexibility.

Pendles, Sidey, Crisp, Elliott, Checkers all in our top third but would be zero post 2025. Add Mitchell, WHE, Membrey from our best 30 and you’ve got a third of the list there and many others are young / depth / draftee.

There’s a reason they talk about us for Rowell, Bont, Ben King. We have the room even if backended from 2027.

 

[Apex36]

Bulldogs just had their testimonial dinner for Bont and Libba at Grossi at the G.
No way Bont is leaving is the feedback I have from an official who attended.

I’m sure that said Bulldogs official would have a very unbiased opinion on the matter.

 

[sideswipe]

I’m sure that said Bulldogs official would have a very unbiased opinion on the matter.

reminds me of the time a certain director of Collingwood told a room full of people, "we've definitely got Lockett".

Contrast this with a current director of Collingwood who I told about the rolling out of all the premiership cups before the first home game in 2024, "what, when's that happening? They never tell us anything."

 

[Vankri]

Bulldogs just had their testimonial dinner for Bont and Libba at Grossi at the G.
No way Bont is leaving is the feedback I have from an official who attended.

I mean surely we all knew it was a long, long shot. He seems like a loyal dude who cares about their club, and is close to being one of their best ever player. Think as soon as they stabilised internally signing Bevo, it went from a long shot to an impossible one. All that remains for them is finding the right $$. If they’ve over committed to say Butters, maybe they’re struggling to find it (they’ve got some over paid players in English and Naughton) but worst case it’s not Bont they would let go for that.

 

[Scodog10]

Best value for sure. Maybe pipped by Ned Long and Cameron this year on outdated pay packets.

Thing is with the cap its size of contracts and length. Considering so many of ours are not locked up for years it just creates so much flexibility.

Pendles, Sidey, Crisp, Elliott, Checkers all in our top third but would be zero post 2025. Add Mitchell, WHE, Membrey from our best 30 and you’ve got a third of the list there and many others are young / depth / draftee.

There’s a reason they talk about us for Rowell, Bont, Ben King. We have the room even if backended from 2027.

I think the problem that some media capologists have is that they don’t look at the life of contracts. Sure we might be tight for 2026 once the vets are retained, but at a guess we’d have $3m plus in 2027, $5m in 2028, $8m in 2029 etc. if the players we’re chasing say yes we will make it work from a $ perspective. If we’re chasing Rowell we may only be able to accommodate him on $600k in 2026, but there’ll be ample room to go $1m in 27, $1.2m in 28, $1.2m in 29, $1.4m in 30 and $1.4m in 31. It’s $6.8m over 6 years, but for context we have two players signed to the final year of that contract AFAIK which would leave circa $18m in cap space available with about 6-8 other players currently on the list likely to still be with us by then.

 

[SchuPie]

I still can’t fathom why we would be messaging Bulldog officials re Bont when he’s a UFA.
Surely we’re only in contact with his manager?!

I can’t imagine North were texting Pies’ officials about Maynard bc his contract was drawing out.

Truly bizarre.

 

[Jen2310]

I still can’t fathom why we would be messaging Bulldog officials re Bont when he’s a UFA.
Surely we’re only in contact with his manager?!

I can’t imagine North were texting Pies’ officials about Maynard bc his contract was drawing out.

Truly bizarre.

Seems you'd only message the club in a banter/teasing type way. If it was a serious nature no way would you do that. I wouldn't imagine anyway.

 

[Jen2310]

PIE WANTS TO STAY ON​

COLLINGWOOD big man Mason Cox is another Magpies veteran to have indicated that he wishes to play on into 2026, as the flag favourites continue to evaluate a host of intriguing contract calls within their aging list.


The club has 12 players who will end the year on the other side of 30 years of age, with eight of those uncontracted beyond this season.


As revealed by AFL.com.au last week, the 37-year-old Scott Pendlebury is among that crop and has already opened talks on a new one-year deal that will help him chase down Brent Harvey

Brent Harvey

Age

48

Ht

167cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

13.2

5star

HB

8.2

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.1

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

6.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

3star

M

1.2

2star

T

0.6

3star

G

0.6

3star

's all-time AFL games record next season.


Jeremy Howe (set to turn 35 later this year), Steele Sidebottom (34) and Jamie Elliott (33) are also in stunning form heading into the back half of the season and appear likely to go around again next year.


Cox, who turned 34 in March, is another hoping to play on into next season and also forms part of an interesting ruck quartet at Collingwood.
The in-form Darcy Cameron is contracted for next season, though talks around an extension have stalled recently and alerted a series of clubs – including West Coast and Carlton – to his potential availability.


Uncapped duo Oscar Steene and Iliro Smit are alongside Cox as Cameron's ruck deputies, with talks around extensions for the young pair likely to begin soon having both impressed at VFL level throughout the season.


Brody Mihocek (32), Tom Mitchell (32) and Will Hoskin-Elliott (32) are also uncontracted beyond this season, while Jack Crisp (32), Tim Membrey (31), Dan McStay (30) and Cameron (30) all have deals for next year

Hawk set to stay, extra US athletes join Combine, Tiger locked in

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[TakingThePies]

If Rowell comes in, expect De Goey to be offered up in that deal.

You won't like it, but it's exactly what will happen.

 

[HFF]

How does Cox want to play on with the form he is putting together?
He won’t have kicked double digit goal across two seasons combined the rate he’s going at.

Seriously….it would be a foolish move to have him go on in the form he is in
He is well and truly in decline if he hasn’t flatlined already

 

[BillyElliott]

I still can’t fathom why we would be messaging Bulldog officials re Bont when he’s a UFA.
Surely we’re only in contact with his manager?!

I can’t imagine North were texting Pies’ officials about Maynard bc his contract was drawing out.

Truly bizarre.

I think it was a made up story.

 

[SchuPie]

If Rowell comes in, expect De Goey to be offered up in that deal.

You won't like it, but it's exactly what will happen.

It would suck to lose an iconic Pies’ player and premiership hero but if it doesn’t destroy the cohesion of the group we gain a player who compliments Nick and is on the park more
It’s a call of consistency v X factor

 

[rdangelo]

We should be looking at moving on Cox, Mitchell and WHE. Others like Macrae, Johnson and Markov are no brainers. Sullivan and Dean a possibility.

I like WHE but let's be serious if he plays or not it won't impact our season result.

At some point the club has to make decisions and if we're any better at all bringing someone in and letting a current player go I'm all for it.

 

[Vankri]

If Rowell comes in, expect De Goey to be offered up in that deal.

You won't like it, but it's exactly what will happen.

That would be a good move purely from a list mgmt perspective. Hardwick might be convinced considering Jordy shares traits with Dusty and he built an entire triple flag winning gameplan on that.

 

[jmac70]

If Rowell comes in, expect De Goey to be offered up in that deal.

You won't like it, but it's exactly what will happen.

That won’t happen.

 

[AmericanMustard]

If Rowell comes in, expect De Goey to be offered up in that deal.

You won't like it, but it's exactly what will happen.

Personally I’d love that

 

[The Phantom]

I’m sure that said Bulldogs official would have a very unbiased opinion on the matter.

The official doesn’t work for the bulldogs. She’s independent.