Autopsy 2026 Rd 6 Collapse. Copy. Paste.

[Blue Pulse]

Delist our worst 6 kicks and draft the best available kicks in the draft. Countless times we had players in space and we put them under pressure by a really bad kick under 0 pressure. Just not going to win AFL games kicking like that.

Cowan can't be picked until he has a serious VFL stint of good footy, hes a liability out there.

Steene gave Pitto an absolute bath in the last, was tough to watch.

That was a coaching move by McRae that blew up Voss's gameplan in 5 minutes. Put a ruckman in that could jump over Pitto and give the midfielders first use to get a couple of quick goals, it probably worked better than he expected but it was a deliberate and destructive move from them.

 

[RAPPA]

The more I think about hollands, the worse our reality is. Reeks of lack of leadership and unprofessionalism. What a rotten club.

The lack of care for a player.

The lack of responsibility by anyone on field or off it, to let it continue.

The lack of accountability post match by Voss.

The lack of decency by our leadership players to get him off.

The lack of foresight by the medical staff to let him keep playing, and not take him to the rooms and get him sorted off camera.

The lack of professionalism by hollands to turn up like it. Drugs, anxiety, panic attack. Whatever it was. If he wasn't right he should have said something. That's why we have emergency players.

He has no sympathy from me, but our club also failed him last night and that's disgraceful.

We are a weak, broken club to allow any of it.

Everyone calling for Voss' head but after last night, Cripps can stand down too. I read Walsh was seen firing up at Elijah. Give him the captaincy. At least he hates losing and might fire a ticket up the players.

As soon as Voss said they were managing him during the week, there's the alarm bells for a player with a purported history of issues and who was, only in the last off season, given a second chance. Why the hell play him, even if you thought he was "managed". He has shown to be a risk, so why risk the wellbeing of his other 22 teammates, and potentially risk the outcome of the game by playing him. Occupational health and safety is just as much as not exposing others to a risk as it is to the individual.

At the same time, Lij is an adult. Take some flipping accountability. If you're going through a rough patch, put your hand up and step away for a week. His obligation to re-establish the necessary relationship of trust and confidence places some accountability on him to be upfront, transparent and identify when he is "not on".

As for the leaders, I wouldn't take much out of Walsh giving a baking. He spins the yarn and media trained narrative that you would expect, but his on-field actions remain selfish and low-IQ.

There are failings across all areas. Unfortunately, we can't sack them all. The easiest scapegoats will be Lij first up (at best, will see out the year and won't be offered another contract) and we know Voss' contract won't be renewed.

 

[Accidental genius]

As soon as Voss said they were managing him during the week, there's the alarm bells for a player with a purported history of issues and who was, only in the last off season, given a second chance. Why the hell play him, even if you thought he was "managed". He has shown to be a risk, so why risk the wellbeing of his other 22 teammates, and potentially risk the outcome of the game by playing him. Occupational health and safety is just as much as not exposing others to a risk as it is to the individual.

At the same time, Lij is an adult. Take some flipping accountability. If you're going through a rough patch, put your hand up and step away for a week. His obligation to re-establish the necessary relationship of trust and confidence places some accountability on him to be upfront, transparent and identify when he is "not on".

As for the leaders, I wouldn't take much out of Walsh giving a baking. He spins the yarn and media trained narrative that you would expect, but his on-field actions remain selfish and low-IQ.

There are failings across all areas. Unfortunately, we can't sack them all. The easiest scapegoats will be Lij first up (at best, will see out the year and won't be offered another contract) and we know Voss' contract won't be renewed.

 

[Jatz]

They won because a 4 gamer missed the goals by a meter.

All that matters is the bolded.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

I am just shattered. Definitely about the game but moreso this Elijah situation.

I knew we were a fair way off it as a footy team, but how ****ing bad must we be as a club?

Elijah's story himself - I mean, it's disappointing but he's obviously got something going on, and it actually reeks a little bit like this might not be the first time something like this has happened. After all, it was the players that were adamant they didn't want him back initially, and we never could get the full story why - but all we knew was it must've been bad. Anyway, it is what it is and I genuinely hope he's ok.

As for the club, I said it in a previous post - I'm flat out disgusted & borderline questioning my ongoing support. There's a young bloke out there who clearly has something going on. A glance from the stands could tell you something isn't right. He hasn't registered a single stat for 3 quarters, he's moving erratically and behaving very strangely, and you're telling me not one player, staff member or coach has the guts to get him off? Do they even know? If not, how the hell do they not know? Their job is to watch the game and the players - that is their job - how on earth can they not spot something like this? How incompetent is everyone inside this club?

This feels worse than any loss I've seen. This isn't just a team struggling on-field or battling with finding the right coach, this is a broken, negligent and incompetent club from the top down.

I'm shattered.

Fwiw i know there's plenty saying it might be nothing, just an off night etc., but that's rubbish. He was either on something or coming off something.

 

[Soapy V]

I said after round 1 this team is so mentally weak it’s not funny.

A lot of people say this. I'm not sure

Can't question effort over last few weeks. Players are having a crack to the end

Issue I believe is we are cooked after half time. Why? We play a ballistic, manic style of football and we tire. There is no tempo control and we don't control possession. We work hard inside, win the ball and then spread and run at full speed. Works great for about 45 minutes then it's unsustainable. It's basic

Then what is Voss's answer? We don't work hard enough for long enough. FFS, no one can at that pace.

I find it so hard to judge players in this situation and as I have said hardly any players get better.

IMO a key part of a Coaching is getting the best out of your players. There is no way we are doing this

 

[jj1978]

Haven’t read the thread but again, relatively optimistic after that. Which isn’t to say it’s not disappointing. Losses don’t hit as hard for me when they’re largely inconsequential and when a lower finish is beneficial (and when I know a dominance over Collingwood is just around the corner! )

We lost it - they didn’t win it, and we were effectively a man down the entire match and the umps missed some very obvious stuff (at least one that gave them a goal and one that cost us a shot on goal, both in the last). It’s reason for optimism and disappointment.

Our basic skill errors kill/ed us - so many times on transition a simple kick or handball, which would have resulted in an easy play forward misses the mark and results in a costly turnover. The players have the skill to execute such basic skill, so it’s probably confidence/adjusting to or learning a new game plan, not trusting teammates. Voss doesn’t deserve to cop the heat for that stuff - in any profession there is an expectation that your employees can do the basics.

Still lots of dumb stuff, but comes with the territory of a relatively poor list perhaps.

Reckon Cow is improving just a little each week. Seems to have better attack on ball and man. Carroll doing nice things - suspect he’ll always be a 75% awesome kick, 25% howler. Hopefully can be like Crisp.

First year players all looking up to the standard imo. New players starting to gel.

Still don’t see a career in O Hollands but he’s a good character by the looks.

Spirit is still up (though I worry how much longer it will stay that way without a win).

I think we have reasonable depth of mid level talent - we just need a few more A-graders to lift the level, with Cody hopefully being one. Starting to look like the only player we could trade for it is Weiters. I think we’re more likely to take the option of trading future firsts to capitalise on this year’s draft.

Concern for H’s career now. Obvs health the priority but it probably rules out any trade scenarios, if he keeps playing.

Will be good to get Cotts back soon.

Cripps is a bit of a worry now - he should have dominated that midfield last night. Not convinced it’s just age/changing nature of the game. Won’t be surprised if he’s rested soon.

We’ve lost it every game this season in a similar manner by conceding quick succession goals in minutes. A trend for many years that we’ve still not learnt from.. zero positivity in that.

 

[Bell Ringer]

I am just shattered. Definitely about the game but moreso this Elijah situation.

I knew we were a fair way off it as a footy team, but how ****ing bad must we be as a club?

Elijah's story himself - I mean, it's disappointing but he's obviously got something going on, and it actually reeks a little bit like this might not be the first time something like this has happened. After all, it was the players that were adamant they didn't want him back initially, and we never could get the full story why - but all we knew was it must've been bad. Anyway, it is what it is and I genuinely hope he's ok.

As for the club, I said it in a previous post - I'm flat out disgusted & borderline questioning my ongoing support. There's a young bloke out there who clearly has something going on. A glance from the stands could tell you something isn't right. He hasn't registered a single stat for 3 quarters, he's moving erratically and behaving very strangely, and you're telling me not one player, staff member or coach has the guts to get him off? Do they even know? If not, how the hell do they not know? Their job is to watch the game and the players - that is their job - how on earth can they not spot something like this? How incompetent is everyone inside this club?

This feels worse than any loss I've seen. This isn't just a team struggling on-field or battling with finding the right coach, this is a broken, negligent and incompetent club from the top down.

I'm shattered.

Fwiw i know there's plenty saying it might be nothing, just an off night etc., but that's rubbish. He was either on something or coming off something.

Fully agree.

This is a new low for us as a football club.

Never seen anything like it in professional sport.

Heads must roll by the end of the wkend.

 

[Gethelred]

Okay.

Under Voss, winning or losing has always been a habit. When we lose, we lose multiple games in a row and everything goes to shit. Pressure gets brought to bear, leading to mistake after mistake after mistake; there was a play where Ollie Hollands ran onto a loose ball, fumbled around 7-8 times before eventually receiving a handball which he then went to kick only for it to get smothered. Whole moments of the game felt like Teague was the coach tonight; the refusal to change things to affect the game, the insistence on following the structure when it ceased working, the dropping of heads. The good thing at least is that we now know it definitely isn't fitness; most of the list is available, and both this and last week's games weren't lost through an inability to run a game out. No, this is structural and mental.

Put very simply, there was always going to be a concern this season about how we were going to kick our goals. No Curnow meant that one of the things we needed to develop was an alternate means of scoring, and despite every midfielder - and we have no genuine goalkicking mids - kicking less goals than their average (except Pitto) and Harry kicked 1.4, our scoring has been pretty good given the complete change in method. I thought at times our transition play to set up shots on goal was excellent last night. Hayward, Ainsworth, Gov, Frankie and Kemp all held up their end of the bargain.

Harry threatened to tear the game apart. He had Frampton on toast when the umpire wasn't plucking free kicks to gift Framption the ball out of thin air. The problem is where he's taking his shots from. When you have a left footer, them leading to the narrow side is a fool's errand unless they're like Franklin and can get the ball to drift right to left rather than the traditional way. Two of his shots were missed from close shots in that left side pocket. This is IMO an adjustment; used to be that Charlie'd lead to that pocket and Harry'd take the other side. The other thing about it is that McKay is 28; ideally he can play long, as he's not been as injury prone as others have. Players can go to their mid 30's pretty simply now.

The reaction to him being concussed in here is appalling. You don't get to choose your fellow supporters, but I wish you could choose who they weren't sometimes. He copped a fist/forearm to the right side of his head from a player who had jumped at a right angle to him full pelt. The other thing too is that to say that he gets 'concussed easily' or 'he gets concussed from some soft knocks' portrays a misunderstanding of what concussion actually is.

You, as a fan, do not get to judge a person for not wanting CTE late in life. If you think you do, you can kindly go **** yourself.

We now come to Elijah. One of my most favourite things in the world is when media figures of disparate expertise all collectively choose to analyse the body language of someone they don't know. It just thrills me to bits when I hear people coming to concrete conclusions about the pathology, mental state or acumen of someone else based upon thirty seconds of footage; it's just so, so good to realise how smart everyone is and just how transparent a person they don't know a good 80+ metres away is over the course of a thirty second snippet of footage can be. Why, I'm surprised that more people aren't also excellent at poker - as opposed to just thinking they are - if they're just so good at reading people.

The media who published that footage knew what they were doing. No-one is immune to propaganda and that is what this thread demonstrates; that so many just ****ing bought what Tom Morris was selling displays that people are willing to add 2 and 2 and get 11. People seem to forget who Tom Morris is, too. He's vile, a vulture picking at a carcass; actually, that's offensive to vultures because they at least clean up biomes.

And now I'm left wondering if the fans are worth the sport; if success or victory will ever purge from me the reality that some of you won't ever deserve it if and when it happens. I'm not talking about someone who I disagree with wildly but our disagreements are sport related; I'm talking about a willingness to participate in something awful purely for the purposes of piling on.

It'll turn onfield, eventually. But some need to seriously re-evaluate how you participate in this sport.

 

[ESKIE]

That's okay. But to the trained eye he was as high as a kite.

Looked like he was having a nervous breakdown to me

 

[jj1978]

A lot of people say this. I'm not sure

Can't question effort over last few weeks. Players are having a crack to the end

Issue I believe is we are cooked after half time. Why? We play a ballistic, manic style of football and we tire. There is no tempo control and we don't control possession. We work hard inside, win the ball and then spread and run at full speed. Works great for about 45 minutes then it's unsustainable. It's basic

Then what is Voss's answer? We don't work hard enough for long enough. FFS, no one can at that pace.

I find it so hard to judge players in this situation and as I have said hardly any players get better.

IMO a key part of a Coaching is getting the best out of your players. There is no way we are doing this

Working for various orgs in my time and what your leaders (coaches) tell you and dictate subliminally absorbs into your mind and actions. 100 games of Voss and they are 100% indoctrinated into his mantra, this is why new players in time change to mimic the rest. New coach, new message needed Stat!

 

[Soapy V]

Working for various orgs in my time and what your leaders (coaches) tell you and dictate subliminally absorbs into your mind and actions. 100 games of Voss and they are 100% indoctrinated into his mantra, this is why new players in time change to mimic the rest. New coach, new message needed Stat!

100%. As someone who has worked in this field for over 20 years I can tell you this is a FACT. Subconsciously it eats away at you

 

[Bell Ringer]

Okay.

Under Voss, winning or losing has always been a habit. When we lose, we lose multiple games in a row and everything goes to shit. Pressure gets brought to bear, leading to mistake after mistake after mistake; there was a play where Ollie Hollands ran onto a loose ball, fumbled around 7-8 times before eventually receiving a handball which he then went to kick only for it to get smothered. Whole moments of the game felt like Teague was the coach tonight; the refusal to change things to affect the game, the insistence on following the structure when it ceased working, the dropping of heads. The good thing at least is that we now know it definitely isn't fitness; most of the list is available, and both this and last week's games weren't lost through an inability to run a game out. No, this is structural and mental.

Put very simply, there was always going to be a concern this season about how we were going to kick our goals. No Curnow meant that one of the things we needed to develop was an alternate means of scoring, and despite every midfielder - and we have no genuine goalkicking mids - kicking less goals than their average (except Pitto) and Harry kicked 1.4, our scoring has been pretty good given the complete change in method. I thought at times our transition play to set up shots on goal was excellent last night. Hayward, Ainsworth, Gov, Frankie and Kemp all held up their end of the bargain.

Harry threatened to tear the game apart. He had Frampton on toast when the umpire wasn't plucking free kicks to gift Framption the ball out of thin air. The problem is where he's taking his shots from. When you have a left footer, them leading to the narrow side is a fool's errand unless they're like Franklin and can get the ball to drift right to left rather than the traditional way. Two of his shots were missed from close shots in that left side pocket. This is IMO an adjustment; used to be that Charlie'd lead to that pocket and Harry'd take the other side. The other thing about it is that McKay is 28; ideally he can play long, as he's not been as injury prone as others have. Players can go to their mid 30's pretty simply now.

The reaction to him being concussed in here is appalling. You don't get to choose your fellow supporters, but I wish you could choose who they weren't sometimes. He copped a fist/forearm to the right side of his head from a player who had jumped at a right angle to him full pelt. The other thing too is that to say that he gets 'concussed easily' or 'he gets concussed from some soft knocks' portrays a misunderstanding of what concussion actually is.

You, as a fan, do not get to judge a person for not wanting CTE late in life. If you think you do, you can kindly go **** yourself.

We now come to Elijah. One of my most favourite things in the world is when media figures of disparate expertise all collectively choose to analyse the body language of someone they don't know. It just thrills me to bits when I hear people coming to concrete conclusions about the pathology, mental state or acumen of someone else based upon thirty seconds of footage; it's just so, so good to realise how smart everyone is and just how transparent a person they don't know a good 80+ metres away is over the course of a thirty second snippet of footage can be. Why, I'm surprised that more people aren't also excellent at poker - as opposed to just thinking they are - if they're just so good at reading people.

The media who published that footage knew what they were doing. No-one is immune to propaganda and that is what this thread demonstrates; that so many just ****ing bought what Tom Morris was selling displays that people are willing to add 2 and 2 and get 11. People seem to forget who Tom Morris is, too. He's vile, a vulture picking at a carcass; actually, that's offensive to vultures because they at least clean up biomes.

And now I'm left wondering if the fans are worth the sport; if success or victory will ever purge from me the reality that some of you won't ever deserve it if and when it happens. I'm not talking about someone who I disagree with wildly but our disagreements are sport related; I'm talking about a willingness to participate in something awful purely for the purposes of piling on.

It'll turn onfield, eventually. But some need to seriously re-evaluate how you participate in this sport.

Agree Re Harry. The rest of what you wrote is absolute rubbish.

There was 80k at the game last night, most of us with 2 working eyes.

We don't need Tom Morris to tell us what we witnessed.

 

[Premiership Quarter]

For all his silly errors you can't question Brodie Kemp's effort and follow-up work. Hopefully can keep building, should get his chance as the main KPF next week.

Was a really good game from him. Plenty to like

 

[Michael Jezz]

You're a broken record MJ, you don't get voluntary committee's, employee's set the tone your quoting, so where does that start?

You are so wrong. In a good club, The President sets the tone and asks and obtains the answers to the hard questions, we supporters are asking. Using your.focus on employee's setting the tone, when they fail to do so, the president needs to find the solution. Our President and board due to their elitism lack the ability. Our board fails to hold our performance to account

 

[AndyLucimitis]

As soon as Voss said they were managing him during the week, there's the alarm bells for a player with a purported history of issues and who was, only in the last off season, given a second chance. Why the hell play him, even if you thought he was "managed". He has shown to be a risk, so why risk the wellbeing of his other 22 teammates, and potentially risk the outcome of the game by playing him. Occupational health and safety is just as much as not exposing others to a risk as it is to the individual.

At the same time, Lij is an adult. Take some flipping accountability. If you're going through a rough patch, put your hand up and step away for a week. His obligation to re-establish the necessary relationship of trust and confidence places some accountability on him to be upfront, transparent and identify when he is "not on".

As for the leaders, I wouldn't take much out of Walsh giving a baking. He spins the yarn and media trained narrative that you would expect, but his on-field actions remain selfish and low-IQ.

There are failings across all areas. Unfortunately, we can't sack them all. The easiest scapegoats will be Lij first up (at best, will see out the year and won't be offered another contract) and we know Voss' contract won't be renewed.

How about we wait and get some information before we all lose our panties on here ???

 

[Show_Me_The_Money]

I think you mean untrained eye

No, I mean trained.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

You are so wrong. In a good club, The President sets the tone and asks and obtains the answers to the hard questions, we supporters are asking. Using your.focus on employee's setting the tone, when they fail to do so, the president needs to find the solution. Our President and board due to their elitism lack the ability. Our board fails to hold our performance to account

What do you mean by 'elitism' ? Do you think it's some sort of class issue ?

 

[CarmenSandiego]

We now come to Elijah. One of my most favourite things in the world is when media figures of disparate expertise all collectively choose to analyse the body language of someone they don't know. It just thrills me to bits when I hear people coming to concrete conclusions about the pathology, mental state or acumen of someone else based upon thirty seconds of footage; it's just so, so good to realise how smart everyone is and just how transparent a person they don't know a good 80+ metres away is over the course of a thirty second snippet of footage can be. Why, I'm surprised that more people aren't also excellent at poker - as opposed to just thinking they are - if they're just so good at reading people.

The media who published that footage knew what they were doing. No-one is immune to propaganda and that is what this thread demonstrates; that so many just ****ing bought what Tom Morris was selling displays that people are willing to add 2 and 2 and get 11. People seem to forget who Tom Morris is, too. He's vile, a vulture picking at a carcass; actually, that's offensive to vultures because they at least clean up biomes.

And now I'm left wondering if the fans are worth the sport; if success or victory will ever purge from me the reality that some of you won't ever deserve it if and when it happens. I'm not talking about someone who I disagree with wildly but our disagreements are sport related; I'm talking about a willingness to participate in something awful purely for the purposes of piling on.

It'll turn onfield, eventually. But some need to seriously re-evaluate how you participate in this sport.

Ah, classic. Yes - it's just a media witch hunt.

Let's ignore:

• His bizarre body language pre-game & warm up
• His failure to register a single stat for 3.5 quarters
• His teammates ignoring him at every turn - both in terms of interacting & giving him the ball
• His clear confusion out on the field
• His behavior that clearly demonstrated he was not fit to be out there
• The fact he's had a history with substance abuse
• The fact his body language is pretty much a text-book example of someone on some type of substance - particularly the footage from the bench at the end of the game (and Tom Morris' propaganda video).

'Yes, curse Tom Morris and the 2 minute video footage, and curse all you Carlton fans for buying into this witch hunt, you should all have a good, hard look at yourselves!'

Whatever Elijah is going through is his own battle - and I wish him well - but this club needs to explain itself to the league, fans & their own players (who also have a role in this).

So quit trying to gaslight us into thinking we're falling for propaganda, and that this is just a non-story.

 

[Bell Ringer]

You are so wrong. In a good club, The President sets the tone and asks and obtains the answers to the hard questions, we supporters are asking. Using your.focus on employee's setting the tone, when they fail to do so, the president needs to find the solution. Our President and board due to their elitism lack the ability. Our board fails to hold our performance to account

Good things our invisible pres lives ~900km away from the club... FMD

 

[Chemical]

if you think for two seconds, what team has more talent and you answer Carlton then you are correct. It's everything else that makes us lose. The leadership, ill-timed injuries, morale, personal issues. luck etc. We are as the boss says, culturally defeated. Even more defeated than last year. The life of being a Carlton supporter at the moment is a wild ride.

 

[Chemical]

Good things our invisible pres lives ~900km away from the club... FMD

He relocated to Melbourne last year

 

[TheReal99prelim]

Sticks hasnt played for thirty years, things change. How often do people have to bring this nonsense up.

Cripps is a poor captain. Always has been...

Can't kick a clutch goal to save himself
His skills are quite poor
Can't rally the troops
Tries to do everything himself...does not trust team mates
Rarely takes first option
Thinks he owns the CBAs
His interviews are just waffle and platitudes and his (and the team's actions) on the field bear no resemblance to what comes out of his mouth pre-game

If that triggers people, press IGNORE and move on

 

[Juice030103]

Think Matt Carroll was a positive on another disappointing night

Think the kid has something

 

[agro]

This is how opposition clubs view us. They know we are weak and will break in the last quarter.
When there is no fear of saying stuff like this in the media from opposition it is time to walk the coach.

He’s been saying this at the 3/4 time huddle every time they’ve played us since 2022.

Most AFL coaches have been saying it against us for years we have zero respect in the industry.