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Traded #22: Jake Carlisle - Pt.1 - Traded with some other stuff for pick 5, 24 and a Bird (cont in Part 2)

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I'm not sure why St Kilda are holding this against us, not only do they have an amazing KPD, he is also an avenue to score.
 
You'd think after the whole Lovett schamozzle that St Kilda would've learned not to base their list management on rummaging through our dumpster.
 

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scythe said:
You'd think after the whole Lovett schamozzle that St Kilda would've learned not to base their list management on rummaging through our dumpster.
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In fairness they were looking for food.
 
I dun know gang... A few are thinking this will blow over and all will be ok but I'm not so sure...

Jakes made his bed now and on serious coin which is a undeniably high pressure situation, arguably higher than the WADA bs as WADA is still going... He has burnt St Kilda on his first day and almost divided the Fan base...

The only way out is he has to preform which is still not a given because he has shown to be a seriously neurotic world against me dummy spitter, team disloyalty and a very large disregard for authority...

Pressure gets everyone and I think he has made a massive mistake moving house for $$$ and now putting the microscope fair and square on his little egotistical self...

I wish him well but the more I think about it I think he has set himself up to fail...
 
Choosing a club like St Kilda over a club like Hawthorn should have had alarm bells ringing really.
 
the PILL said:
I dun know gang... A few are thinking this will blow over and all will be ok but I'm not so sure...

Jakes made his bed now and on serious coin which is a undeniably high pressure situation, arguably higher than the WADA bs as WADA is still going... He has burnt St Kilda on his first day and almost divided the Fan base...

The only way out is he has to preform which is still not a given because he has shown to be a seriously neurotic world against me dummy spitter, team disloyalty and a very large disregard for authority...

Pressure gets everyone and I think he has made a massive mistake moving house for $$$ and now putting the microscope fair and square on his little egotistical self...

I wish him well but the more I think about it I think he has set himself up to fail...
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Yeah but in his trade interview when he nominated St Kilda he said he went there so he and the team could rise together and be part of something special as a collective.

Oh yeah, and there's also the bit where he mentioned he'd be able to bring some leadership to the table.
 
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On the day he nominated St Kilda, didn't he say in that heartwarming interview that he had leadership aspirations? Jesus. Imagine Carlisle taking some of those kids under his wing.
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I like the fact that he said playing under Richardson was a big reason for him wanting to move, and on his first night as a Saint Richo calls him up and gives him a serve.
 

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the PILL said:
I dun know gang... A few are thinking this will blow over and all will be ok but I'm not so sure...

Jakes made his bed now and on serious coin which is a undeniably high pressure situation, arguably higher than the WADA bs as WADA is still going... He has burnt St Kilda on his first day and almost divided the Fan base...

The only way out is he has to preform which is still not a given because he has shown to be a seriously neurotic world against me dummy spitter, team disloyalty and a very large disregard for authority...

Pressure gets everyone and I think he has made a massive mistake moving house for $$$ and now putting the microscope fair and square on his little egotistical self...

I wish him well but the more I think about it I think he has set himself up to fail...
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Pretty sure it'll BLOW over......
 
It's nice that Caro is gunning for someone else's club for a change
That St Kilda is no longer branded the AFL club of scandal is far more than just the work of an image makeover. It has been the result of two seasons of internal rebuilding and restructuring under the new regime fronted by CEO Matt Finnis and coach Alan Richardson.

Two years since the burning dwarf, more than five since the schoolgirl saga began; it is six years since Andrew Lovett came to St Kilda and was promptly suspended and later sacked after an incident that led to a rape charge, of which he was later acquitted.

Jake Carlisle and his irresponsibly stupid and selfish decision to allow himself to be filmed doing illicit drugs is coming to a club unrecognisable from the old St Kilda. This time around the Saints resemble another country.

But one act by a player with a history of behavioural issues in terms of team has undone some of that good work. CEO Finnis has dealt with his board, all of his sponsors, staff and members while his coach and football boss held a phone hook-up with a reportedly furious and currently far-flung playing leadership group. It is telling that on this occasion not one sponsor has blinked.

But it remains unclear how the parents of the Saints' younger players have responded. No parent of a teenaged or slightly older player would feel comfortable with a senior footballer who has been filmed doing illicit drugs coming into the club. It is not that long ago that the Saints leadership group boasted at least one player with an illicit drug issue.

Carlisle will be target tested by the competition, forced to undergo a program guided by the club and explain himself to his new team-mates. He has already held talks in the US with his new coach with his mood assessed as a combination of remorse, embarrassment and shame. Reportedly he is not blaming others or social media and his heavily negotiated statement reflected that.

Because the AFL's new illicit drugs policy has been settled but not rolled out Carlisle's action will count as a strike under the old three-detection system. Much will be made of the fact that he, like former Gold Coast Sun Harley Bennell, is not automatically disciplined under either system although the new rules would have seen him one detection away from a six-week suspension and fine. That's assuming this current strike is his first.

But while St Kilda will be determined to get the best out of the talented player for which it sacrificed draft picks 5 and 22 in return for Carlisle and pick 14, it should also renegotiate the player's contract. Carlisle knew of the video's existence when he signed with the club and yet agreed to a separate and generous marketing deal under the AFL's additional services allowance that falls outside the salary cap.

The Saints could rightly argue that they will struggle to realise Carlisle's promotional value now and both player and manager Anthony McConville should accept that. Fairfax Media understands the club, one of the poorer in the competition, will examine its legal options as it should.

During one of their international conversations that took place overnight, Finnis and Richardson, who is in Cleveland as part of a professional improvement trip, agreed that the club would back itself to discipline and rehabilitate the problematic Carlisle. Football boss Jamie Cox was involved and even part-time assistant and former club captain Danny Frawley jumped on board to support Richardson.

Jake Carlisle demonstrated at Essendon that he was not always a team player. Given what he endured at the Bombers his decision to on more
than one occasion badmouth the club in public could have been mitigated. But not in this instance.

Carlisle's manager McConville should also have spoken up earlier. Contacted by Channel Nine early on Tuesday he had an obligation to pass on that information to the Saints but only spoke to the various competition authorities on Wednesday when he knew the video was to be aired on 'A Current Affair'.

And what this story says about those acquaintances who hawked for financial reward the Carlisle vision to various media networks should not need to be said. Except to reflect upon what mean-spirited immoral individuals this society can produce.
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Old Campaigner said:
It's nice that Caro is gunning for someone else's club for a change
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In Pick 5, Bird and pick 24 Out Carlisle, pick 23, Pick 44 and Caroline Wilson?

We can hope, but unlikely.
 

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Old Campaigner said:
It's nice that Caro is gunning for someone else's club for a change
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don't worry, she got her quota in

Jake Carlisle demonstrated at Essendon that he was not always a team player. Given what he endured at the Bombers his decision to on more than one occasion badmouth the club in public could have been mitigated.
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Well I wish Jake well, I bear no ill will against him and don't hold against him any of the things he said or did whilst at the club. Hope he gets the fresh start he wanted.

He gave us some great moments, The Carlton game where he tore it to pieces, the West Coast game where he slotted that goal from outside the 50 on the boundary line, the doggies game, the Pies game, the Freo game where he held Pav and won that contest against 3 of their players.

He served us well in his time. I don't care about his off field issues. Good luck Jake.
 
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