4 axed for 3rd test

[King Elvis]

Rabbit - cheers; was Dizzy I was thinking of that we were missing.

Also, I'm upset, but I agree with Saddam;

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...ser-hussain-says/story-e6frectl-1226596466062

 

[sherb]

There's a few different issues wrapped up in one giant clusterfeck here:
1. How lazy are the 4 players? Firstly, yes it's a pathetic, childish and ridiculous request. But these guys are getting paid a ton of cash, they have plenty of free time, doing what management wants is not difficult. You just do it and tell yourselves in private "he's a complete Moo".

No it wasn't.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Tend to agree. I would like to think there has been more going wrong and this was just the straw that broke the camels back. Watson and Clarke especially appear to be lazy sooks who act like they are entitled to a position on their talent only. Hopefully Patti learns as for Usman I am disappointed he has blown an opportunity.

You mean Johnson.

Agree there is much more to the story but unless someone at the source decides to spill the beans we'll never really know.

Pretty much nobody here knows the players personally or knows what actually has been going on, but there have been some fairly wild allegations and opinions flying about. (I know this is BF )

Most assessments of the players' characters go on appearances alone, not a very accurate method of judging what they might really be like.

 

[TheBigPavallova]

I kind of get where you were going, but sorry I can't let this go.

By every account I've ever read or heard (including talking with former players and officials) Ponting is regarded as THE most selfless team oriented player of his generation.

Whatever you may have thought of his on field tactics, his teammates would walk over hot coals for him and he for them.

I liked Ponting & always did since he was in the Tas team before making it to the Australian team.

I think what I'm trying to say is the trajectory of the leadership towards the best batsmen in the team as against the most suited regular to skipper the side.

Its arguable that Punter was a great leader, but had the likes of Warne, Gilly, Huss, etc to assist.

What worries me is since Punter has had to step down, after going on too long, we are now inexperienced & in disarray.

I thought Clarke is wrong person to have in charge, but in the last 12 months it seemed he had grown up.

I think now he just pretended to.

He's fallen out with many players, Katich, Hussey, & it wood seem Watto.

And it looks like the whole side has been underperforming maybe due to the wrong leader.

I think the powers that be have got it wrong with the captaincy & leadership of the current team.

nb: if you want to teach players to behave a certain way, teach them as they are coming into 1st class cricket. Not when on test duty.

Its ridiculous.

 

[Mateyman]

he struggles to focus on both his own form

How could you possibly say that Clarke struggles with his own form? Yeah, sure, he might be a twat, I don't know. Struggles to focus on his own form... no, and nothing in the last 18 months could suggest that. Neither would his test average of 53 show this.

arthur has lost the players like he did with the south africans. he's really only got one supporter in the team and that's clarke. if they lose 5-0 in the ashes and that's odds on right now, he'll be shown the door

How much would you bet at even money. It's not "odds on". FFS, India are only $1.90 to win the NEXT TEST (jump on incidentally, easy money IMO)

 

[Mateyman]

I
Waugh wanted to keep his old Baggy Green, grime & dirt, wrinkled & tattered as a badge of Honour.

Ponting wanted clean shirts.

What a shocking example. This is Ponting's Baggy green:

Hardly spick and span.

 

[Mateyman]

And it looks like the whole side has been underperforming maybe due to the wrong leader.

I think the powers that be have got it wrong with the captaincy & leadership of the current team.

Alternative options for captain:
Watto: yeah, that would work out just great , and that's when he's not injured/ averaging above 26 over the last 2 years and playing as a batsman.
"Davey" Warner: Better less said.. played 15 tests
Patto: yeah, nah. Played 9 tests, injured/rotated every second test
Therest of the team couldn't even be confident of staying in the XI for a prolonged period

 

[King Elvis]

Matey, I said both. As in, can he concentrate on his own game and form, while also concentrating on everyone else's?

 

[sherb]

Alternative options for captain:
Watto: yeah, that would work out just great , and that's when he's not injured/ averaging above 26 over the last 2 years and playing as a batsman.
"Davey" Warner: Better less said.. played 15 tests
Patto: yeah, nah. Played 9 tests, injured/rotated every second test
Therest of the team couldn't even be confident of staying in the XI for a prolonged period

Or bring in someone specifically as captain, who isn't in the side at present.

Which is something we used to laugh at England for doing.

 

[Mateyman]

Matey, I said both. As in, can he concentrate on his own game and form, while also concentrating on everyone else's?

Oh, OK. I read it as he struggles on both things individually. E.g. he's bad at both batting and bowling, doesn't mean he's bad at both at the same time, but as individual things. Sorry about that

 

[rickyp]

I am baffled as to how this has become a question of Clarke's leadership. Has anyone here ever done anything wrong? Or has it always been someone else's fault?

 

[damochandler]

why weren't the management more stricter in the firsat place. why wait until we are 2-0 down and looking like a bunch of drop kicks. why not stop it before it gets out of hand. the management of this team is farcical

 

[The_Reaper]

why weren't the management more stricter in the firsat place. why wait until we are 2-0 down and looking like a bunch of drop kicks. why not stop it before it gets out of hand. the management of this team is farcical

Maybe they tried.

And now they have to take up the kid gloves

 

[damochandler]

Maybe they tried.

And now they have to take up the kid gloves

didn't macgill get dropped for a test for sleeping in?

 

[The_Reaper]

didn't macgill get dropped for a test for sleeping in?

And you'd be complaing that was too harsh

 

[Natho]

Unlike the last one?

Could it get any worse?

 

[Mateyman]

Could it get any worse?

Don't jinx us.

 

[sherb]

I am baffled as to how this has become a question of Clarke's leadership. Has anyone here ever done anything wrong? Or has it always been someone else's fault?

I'm not baffled.

Around here, something goes wrong in Australian cricket = Clarke's fault.

 

[Hayesuel]

I'm not baffled.

Around here, something goes wrong in Australian cricket = Clarke's fault.

Whats funny is that if Watto was in form no one would give a shit.

Watto, despite his shit form for nigh on 2 years, shits all over anyone coming through state cricket.

 

[ROOTA#6]

Whats funny is that if Watto was in form no one would give a shit.

Watto, despite his shit form for nigh on 2 years, shits all over anyone coming through state cricket.

No he doesn't...he should have been made to go back to state cricket and pile on runs before he got back this time nd I reckon he would have battled

 

[Hayesuel]

No he doesn't...he should have been made to go back to state cricket and pile on runs before he got back this time nd I reckon he would have battled

Talented players are always just one innings away from being back in form. Cricket Australia has stuck with him through injury after injury cause they know he has all the tools in his locker and are desperate for him to get back to his best because our state cricketers are so weak atm.

 

[The_Reaper]

No he doesn't...he should have been made to go back to state cricket and pile on runs before he got back this time nd I reckon he would have battled

heffield Shield Batting 2010-2013

#  Player         State    Mat Inn NO  Runs  HS   Avg   100 50
1. R.Ponting      TAS      12  20  4   1110  200* 69.38 4   4
2. A.McDonald     VIC      16  24  5   1031  163  54.26 4   4
3. M.Clarke       NSW      4   8   2    325  113  54.17 1   1
4. D.Warner       NSW      5   9   0    464  148  51.56 2   1
5. U.Khawaja      NSW/QLD  18  32  2   1311  214  43.70 3   7
6. P.Hughes       NSW/SA   19  37  1   1558  158  43.28 4   8
7. M.Wade         VIC      17  28  4   1035  113* 43.13 2   7
8. A.Voges        WA       25  47  7   1702  178  42.55 3   7
9. M.Cosgrove     TAS      27  44  5   1656  159  42.46 3   9
10.E.Cowan        TAS      24  43  4   1645  145* 42.18 5   6
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11.B.Haddin       NSW      11  17  3    590  114  42.14 2   4
12.C.Rogers       VIC      22  40  2   1596  131  42.00 6   5
13.R.Quiney       VIC      25  47  4   1779  119  41.37 5   9
14.G.Maxwell      VIC      14  23  2    860  103* 40.95 1   7
15.M.Henriques    NSW      16  27  6    843  161* 40.14 1   5
16.J.Burns        QLD      21  37  2   1390  140* 39.71 4   6
17.P.Nevill       NSW      25  44  11  1288  112* 39.03 2   7
18.C.Ferguson     SA       19  35  1   1317  164  38.74 4   4
19.A.Doolan       TAS      25  42  3   1500  149  38.46 2   9
20.G.Bailey       TAS      24  40  4   1384  160* 38.44 4   5
-------------------------------------------------------------
21.L.Davis        WA       19  36  1   1331  303* 38.03 3   5
22.S.Smith        NSW      15  26  1    950  106  38.00 1  10
23.B.Rohrer       NSW      19  34  5   1082  114  37.31 1   8
24.C.Lynn         QLD      17  29  4    897  172  35.88 2   3
25.S.Marsh        WA       12  22  0    761  137  34.59 1   6
26.N.Maddinson    NSW      20  37  2   1186  137  33.89 3   5
27.D.Hussey       VIC      18  32  3    971  130  33.48 2   4
28.P.Forrest      NSW/QLD  19  34  2   1029  132* 32.16 4   1
29.C.Hartley      QLD      29  47  4   1329  111  30.91 1   7
30.M.North        WA       20  37  2   1027  158  29.34 3   3
-------------------------------------------------------------
31.M.Hill         VIC      12  22  1    615  144  29.29 1   2
32.C.White        VIC      17  30  4    761  144  29.27 1   3
33.L.Butterworth  TAS      27  37  4    902   99  27.33 0   4
34.J.Faulkner     TAS      26  38  5    870   77  26.36 0   5
35.A.Finch        VIC      21  39  1    945   84  24.87 0   6
36.M.Marsh        WA       15  28  1    635  111  23.52 0   1
37.T.Paine        TAS      7   10  1    210   74  23.33 0   1
38.M.Hussey       WA       7   14  0    316  118  22.57 1   1
39.S.O'Keefe      NSW      19  30  7    513   72  22.35 0   2
40.S.Watson       NSW      4   7   0    141   31  20.14 0   0

 

[Hayesuel]

Pointless stats

No one jumps out as needing to get picked there.

The fact that Ricky Ponting, who was virtually shown the door by Aus cricket leads the stats is telling.

 

[legend166]

Ponting was well and truly finished as an international cricketer. He stayed on too long in retrospect. Saying he was 'shown the door' and implying he didn't deserve to go is crazy revisionist history.

 

[Hayesuel]

Ponting was well and truly finished as an international cricketer. He stayed on too long in retrospect. Saying he was 'shown the door' and implying he didn't deserve to go is crazy revisionist history.

That's my whole point.... Ponting is a legend, love the bloke. Carried by the team for his final 2 or so years, couldnt score at all. Comes back to state cricket and kills it.