5/1068

[R00StaR]

With 5 of the best pace bowlers used, its a real concern Australian cricket atm and test cricket. I say test cricket as the balance between bat and ball is so vital, who gets to cash in on the days 2 and 3 flat decks are heavily in the box seat. Then watch teams struggle to score on wickets breaking up. Sure we have been out played, no excuse there but this just doesnt make entertaining cricket.

I love test cricket, but its getting very close to needing a revamp. A test championship, tournament or league over a a few year period would give more structure, no sure exactly how it work but we do need to look at something. If 100 overs each with 2 innings each points can be gained on first, second innings and over all result with bonuses to away teams. Wickets too flat nps, both teams get a look in and make up for the wicket with highly aggressive batting to cash in, wickets fall as a result. Rather than be batted out of the test, rather than the series being all but toasted series would stay alive and more interesting.

 

[lemon chicken]

Everyone is questioning our attack when really the question should be why are our batsmen getting out so cheap. Honestly dont think the English paceman are any better than ours.

 

[R00StaR]

The bats havent been great, but we only lost 11 wickets as England did last test, totally failed Day1 in this test. They cant really be blamed for 5/1068 other than a few dropped catches of course.

 

[Spook]

With 5 of the best pace bowlers used, its a real concern Australian cricket atm and test cricket. I say test cricket as the balance between bat and ball is so vital, who gets to cash in on the days 2 and 3 flat decks are heavily in the box seat. Then watch teams struggle to score on wickets breaking up. Sure we have been out played, no excuse there but this just doesnt make entertaining cricket.

I love test cricket, but its getting very close to needing a revamp. A test championship, tournament or league over a a few year period would give more structure, no sure exactly how it work but we do need to look at something. If 100 overs each with 2 innings each points can be gained on first, second innings and over all result with bonuses to away teams. Wickets too flat nps, both teams get a look in and make up for the wicket with highly aggressive batting to cash in, wickets fall as a result. Rather than be batted out of the test, rather than the series being all but toasted series would stay alive and more interesting.

So now that Australia are getting hammered in a way that we used to hand out and we loved... you want to change the rules..... You sound a bit like a pathetic sore loser.....

Why don't you try enjoying the game of cricket rather than only enjoying Australian Wins

 

[R00StaR]

Ive been watching cricket longer than you might think. Ive seen us spanked plenty of times by the West Indies of the 80s and always loved the games. I just honestly think the balance between bat and ball is tightening so much in that slight variations in the wicket can see one dominate the other creating problems. With those problems more people switch off test cricket, less interest ect. I can assure im still watching and will always, having played for 20+ years i can appreciate all aspects.

But carry on and pigeon hole as you see fit.

 

[TassieSaint]

Everyone is questioning our attack when really the question should be why are our batsmen getting out so cheap. Honestly dont think the English paceman are any better than ours.

Come on mate, even taking conditions into account that scoreline is a disgrace.

Our bats disappointed in the first innings here but were fine in Brisbane. Clearly bowlers are more of a worry.

 

[lemon chicken]

Come on mate, even taking conditions into account that scoreline is a disgrace.

Our bats disappointed in the first innings here but were fine in Brisbane. Clearly bowlers are more of a worry.

Swann is easliy better than any spinner we are likely to pick but other than that i dont think the English paceman are that much better than ours. On a comparison who do you think is miles ahead of any of our guys?

 

[TassieSaint]

Swann is easliy better than any spinner we are likely to pick but other than that i dont think the English paceman are that much better than ours. On a comparison who do you think is miles ahead of any of our guys?

Anderson is clearly better than any Australian at the moment, has been the major difference between the attacks.

 

[lemon chicken]

Anderson is clearly better than any Australian at the moment, has been the major difference between the attacks.

He may be having a better series but i wouldnt say he is a much better bowler than any of our openers overall. Our 2nd and 3rd pace bowlers are easily better than Broad and Finn.

 

[TassieSaint]

He may be having a better series but i wouldnt say he is a much better bowler than any of our openers overall. Our 2nd and 3rd pace bowlers are easily better than Broad and Finn.

Yeah but I assumed we were talking about this series though, hence the thread title.

So far Anderson has been the standout bowler by a mile and our shit bowling has been the decisive factor (no offence to Cook, Pietersen etc)

 

[lemon chicken]

Yeah but I assumed we were talking about this series though, hence the thread title.

So far Anderson has been the standout bowler by a mile and our shit bowling has been the decisive factor (no offence to Cook, Pietersen etc)

So if we had batted better he wouldnt have gotten wickets, therefore our batting is the issue. Comparing the 2 attacks doesnt put the English so far ahead which is the case up to this point.

 

[The Fonz]

The crazy thing is that Siddle has only taken one wicket since the hat-trick - Swann a few overs later.
Hilfenhaus took a wicket in his first over and nothing for the other 50.
Ditto for Doug and the 26 overs following the wicket in his first.

While Doherty was the shiny new thing before the series started, it's pretty clear he is out of his depth - the question is will they go back to Hauritz for Perth? He took 5 wickets in the Shield game but if they do, it's a humiliating outcome for them and Ponting.

They were damned if they did and damned if they didn't when they picked the 17 man squad and they will be even more so when they pick the squad for perth.

 

[Richo83]

He may be having a better series but i wouldnt say he is a much better bowler than any of our openers overall. Our 2nd and 3rd pace bowlers are easily better than Broad and Finn.

Broad and Finn compared to Bollinger and Harris is a wash, at least the poms can bat though. Anderson is clearly better than any Australian bowler, the ball he bowled to Ponting was a wicket ball no matter the conditions and was just great bowling. And then we have their spinner, who even when he's not performing, is still vastly better than our spinner/4th seamer.

So yeah, I'd say they're a better bowling team. Chappell was saying that a team needs to know who it's no.1 is. England clearly know it's Anderson, and clearly turn to him to take the new ball and get key wickets (which he has), who is our no.1? Our previous no.1 and 2 were just dropped.

 

[frankrizzo]

Can they really pick haurtiz again while ponting is skipper?

Ponting basically threw him under a bus in india blaming hauritz for the poor field placements(which was silly anyway whether ponting set the terrible fields or sat back and let a struggling haurtiz set them he's still to blame).

I can't see how they can coexist while ponting is skipper.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Come on mate, even taking conditions into account that scoreline is a disgrace.

Our bats disappointed in the first innings here but were fine in Brisbane. Clearly bowlers are more of a worry.

Hello, we were 5 for 159 in Brisbane first innings. Huss somehow remembered how he can bat as did Haddin.

The bowlers are beyond a worry at the moment. WTF is Troy Cooley paid?

 

[krisholio14]

He may be having a better series but i wouldnt say he is a much better bowler than any of our openers overall. Our 2nd and 3rd pace bowlers are easily better than Broad and Finn.

Anderson has been in this sort of form for at least the last 18 months.

I don't think Australian supporters are respecting him enough.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Anderson has been in this sort of form for at least the last 18 months.

I don't think Australian supporters are respecting him enough.

I'd agree with that. I've said a few times on this board that he is a much improved bowler. But I live in England and I've watched his improvment in attitude. He doesn't hang his head like he used to.

That (and Cooley stuffing him about) was his biggest problem. He has much more patience and confidence now.

 

[holybishop]

Instead of singling out a particular department that's in deeper strife how about agree that both the Australians batsmen and bowlers are crap at the moment.

 

[frankrizzo]

Anderson still had serious question marks surrounding his ability to take wickets outside of england.

he's starting to answer those questions so good luck to him.

But to say there should have been no doubts about his wicket taking ability outside of england(or more specifically in Australia) is hindsight bias at it's best(or worst as it were)

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Anderson still had serious question marks surrounding his ability to take wickets outside of england.

he's starting to answer those questions so good luck to him.

But to say there should have been no doubts about his wicket taking ability outside of england(or more specifically in Australia) is hindsight bias at it's best(or worst as it were)

They brought him back way too early from injury last time in Aus and the team was already down in the series and a bit of a mess. I've never understood why that was held against him so much.

I agree, that he has had a bad habit of dropping his head in the past, but I haven't seen that from him in the last couple of years. He still puts in an effort even when things aren't going well.

 

[redragger]

Instead of singling out a particular department that's in deeper strife how about agree that both the Australians batsmen and bowlers are crap at the moment.

Pretty much. Sad but true...

 

[sherb]

Instead of singling out a particular department that's in deeper strife how about agree that both the Australians batsmen and bowlers are crap at the moment.

To complete the package I guess we could throw in the catching/fielding as well.

 

[Dipper]

With 5 of the best pace bowlers used, its a real concern Australian cricket atm and test cricket. I say test cricket as the balance between bat and ball is so vital, who gets to cash in on the days 2 and 3 flat decks are heavily in the box seat. Then watch teams struggle to score on wickets breaking up. Sure we have been out played, no excuse there but this just doesnt make entertaining cricket.

I love test cricket, but its getting very close to needing a revamp. A test championship, tournament or league over a a few year period would give more structure, no sure exactly how it work but we do need to look at something. If 100 overs each with 2 innings each points can be gained on first, second innings and over all result with bonuses to away teams. Wickets too flat nps, both teams get a look in and make up for the wicket with highly aggressive batting to cash in, wickets fall as a result. Rather than be batted out of the test, rather than the series being all but toasted series would stay alive and more interesting.

Rather than completely changing the rules of cricket why don't we just make pitches a bit more sporting rather than being obsessed by them lasting for 5 days.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

To complete the package I guess we could throw in the catching/fielding as well.

For me, that is the really unforgiveable part and it shows how poor in confidence the team is.

 

[Spook]

Instead of singling out a particular department that's in deeper strife how about agree that both the Australians batsmen and bowlers are crap at the moment.

What about just saying that England are better than us?