Player Watch #5: Caleb Daniel

[giantroo]

Btw, we had Jacques on our board before Urquhart so I'd say we would've taken him at #29.

 

[Blightys Barrel]

No team can sustain the breakneck pace for 120 minutes. There are times to slow the game down and retain the ball with some uncontested marks in the back half. Collingwood does it very well.

Any time Chom, LMac or Daniel has it in the back half and try’s this……well it’s like the nervous wildebeest crossing the Mara river in the Serengeti. Real heart in the mouth stuff as the local Crocs wait for the inevitable mistake (turnover). A little more costly for the Wildebeest, where as we keep just keep picking you in the team

 

[ferball]

No team can sustain the breakneck pace for 120 minutes. There are times to slow the game down and retain the ball with some uncontested marks in the back half. Collingwood does it very well.

He's said that he wants the players to be able to do that as well and specifically to know when and when not to do that.

There are times we move the ball very quickly. It just breaks down going inside 50.

I don't think it matters if we go inside 50 to nothing and generate a stoppage. We should be able to make that a successful strategy (not the main one,) without stressing over generating stoppages. We just have to stop turning the ball over.

Collingwood use the boundary and are very patient. It helps they have Daicos who is an elite runner and kick. He can get into space and deliver the ball into a smaller space than other players.

Using the boundary also helps them defend with the ball by allowing them to set up in a way that minimises the damage turnovers cause. There's not the same number of wrong footing turnovers in the corridor with space everywhere.

 

[Tas]

As a non-KPD you need one of these elite attributes and to not suck at any of the other two. Kicking, Speed, Defending.

Is he fast/agile? No.
Does he have elite foot skills? No
Is he very good at defending? No

I don't dislike him as a person but I am not sure why we would bring in someone that has no obvious strength and a glaring weakness in terms of defending.

That being said, I think if he can tidy up some things like not turn the ball over by foot as much as he did last year and be more effective when defending then I would get the urge less to gouge my eyes out watching us play.

Is he the worst defender we have fielded? Not by a long shot, but there was plenty of good quality KPP in that draft we knew would be there, even though the probability of hitting a star is not great, a lot of very good KPP have been acquired in the second round. I don't think it was an effective use of resources. I don't think people should take that out on Daniels, it is the club at fault.

I hope he has a good year and hopefully plays a bit tidier than he did last year.

 

[koshari]

As a non-KPD you need one of these elite attributes and to not suck at any of the other two. Kicking, Speed, Defending.

Is he fast/agile? No.
Does he have elite foot skills? No
Is he very good at defending? No

I don't dislike him as a person but I am not sure why we would bring in someone that has no obvious strength and a glaring weakness in terms of defending.

That being said, I think if he can tidy up some things like not turn the ball over by foot as much as he did last year and be more effective when defending then I would get the urge less to gouge my eyes out watching us play.

Is he the worst defender we have fielded? Not by a long shot, but there was plenty of good quality KPP in that draft we knew would be there, even though the probability of hitting a star is not great, a lot of very good KPP have been acquired in the second round. I don't think it was an effective use of resources. I don't think people should take that out on Daniels, it is the club at fault.

I hope he has a good year and hopefully plays a bit tidier than he did last year.

The turnovers are often not grom a poorly executed kick rather than poorly thought out.

We would go from relatily unpressured while Daniel had a set shot but the second he dished of a 14m pass that was called not 15m we were under the pump for virtually no gain.

And we did it time and time again....

 

[perplexed]

The turnovers are often not grom a poorly executed kick rather than poorly thought out.

We would go from relatily unpressured while Daniel had a set shot but the second he dished of a 14m pass that was called not 15m we were under the pump for virtually no gain.

And we did it time and time again....

Daniel doesn't turn the ball over very often at all. That isn't an issue with him, his ball retention is very good. The problem is that he doesn't have the tools to do any damage with the ball and is playing a role where this is his main job.

 

[Merlin007]

Pick 25 is a Mercedes?

Some should tell Callum Urch.

And a few others

 

[RHLK]

Under the pump kicking into forward 50 vs Nth Melbourne? - look for the helmet and lob it up.

 

[shinboner magic]

Daniel doesn't turn the ball over very often at all. That isn't an issue with him, his ball retention is very good. The problem is that he doesn't have the tools to do any damage with the ball and is playing a role where this is his main job.

Yeah crab 15 metre kicks don’t usually get turned over - probably count on one hand how many zone splitting passes he’s done

 

[hellas_johnny]

Has been a very underwhelming pickup but at the same time I will say our players being statues does not help. This goes for most of the team when they kick from the backline. I don't watch much other footy teams but one thing i notice that stands out like dogs balls is how so many other teams move and make space. Idk it it's our game plan, coaching or if our players are just plain dumb?

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Btw, we had Jacques on our board before Urquhart so I'd say we would've taken him at #29.

Having Jacques, Shanahan or J.Whitlock would’ve been far better. In a draft that was rich with KP depth it was hard to believe that we traded out of the 2nd round for Daniel, when we desperately needed talls.

From a list needs perspective it was careless and beyond stupid.

Getting in Parker & Darling in the leadership/experience stakes would’ve been more than enough.

Just another own goal that adds to list of own goals.

 

[Nylex]

Having Jacques, Shanahan or J.Whitlock would’ve been far better. In a draft that was rich with KP depth it was hard to believe that we traded out of the 2nd round for Daniel, when we desperately needed talls.

From a list needs perspective it was careless and beyond stupid.

Getting in Parker & Darling in the leadership/experience stakes would’ve been more than enough.

Just another own goal that adds to list of own goals.

Clarko wants his team of mini me’s.
They can hit targets, 35m away. Don’t offer much else though

 

[Arathrawn]

Under the pump kicking into forward 50 vs Nth Melbourne? - look for the helmet and lob it up.

I am 100% convinced this is an opposition tactic.

 

[shinboner magic]

Having Jacques, Shanahan or J.Whitlock would’ve been far better. In a draft that was rich with KP depth it was hard to believe that we traded out of the 2nd round for Daniel, when we desperately needed talls.

From a list needs perspective it was careless and beyond stupid.

Getting in Parker & Darling in the leadership/experience stakes would’ve been more than enough.

Just another own goal that adds to list of own goals.

Tail wagging the dog as per usual

 

[zoomba23]

Clarko wants his team of mini me’s.
They can hit targets, 35m away. Don’t offer much else though

Try 25m

 

[roos_fanatic08]

I don’t see a spot for him if McKercher is in the side. You just can’t play 2 attacking types that can’t defend one on one. Kerch provides genuine drive and speed which Daniel simply does not.

IMO Daniel’s 10-15m dinky kicks actually hinder our ability to attack off half back as they are too predictable and often not dangerous enough.
All they do is allow the opposition half forwards to set their defensive press up the ground,

In an ideal world Parker goes back. Gives us competitiveness and a physical edge. Might not accumulate as much, but is arguably a better kick and decision maker.

Then we add in Blamires as well, who can roost the footy, actually defend and provide genuine speed and link up play.

Hardeman to keep developing as the balanced defender who can provide run and lock down.

 

[Makeshift Park]

I don’t see a spot for him if McKercher is in the side. You just can’t play 2 attacking types that can’t defend one on one.

I'd still give Daniel the 23rd spot. Ash and Whitfield don't really play with a great deal of accountability. Difference is they've got 1 of 2 best defenders playing right now keeping the troops around them organised.

For me, Daniel's main rivals for that 23rd spot are Duursma and RHJ. I'd only need a couple weeks of accountable football in the twos to promote either.

RHJ could be an easy straight swap.

To replace Daniel with Duursma you would need Parker to spend 1/2 the game in defence I reckon. But in no world is Parker a more reliable sub 50m kick than Daniel. He's bringing hardness and organisation.

 

[Themanbun]

I'd still give Daniel the 23rd spot. Ash and Whitfield don't really play with a great deal of accountability. Difference is they've got 1 of 2 best defenders playing right now keeping the troops around them organised.

For me, Daniel's main rivals for that 23rd spot are Duursma and RHJ. I'd only need a couple weeks of accountable football in the twos to promote either.

RHJ could be an easy straight swap.

To replace Daniel with Duursma you would need Parker to spend 1/2 the game in defence I reckon. But in no world is Parker a more reliable sub 50m kick than Daniel. He's bringing hardness and organisation.

Hard disagree on Ash. He is very very good at being balanced.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Hard disagree on Ash. He is very very good at being balanced.

I like him too, but his actual defensive output last year was practically identical.

 

[muttley45]

I like him too, but his actual defensive output last year was practically identical.

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Is there a metre's gained stat to insert there too ?

 

[Themanbun]

I like him too, but his actual defensive output last year was practically identical.

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One of those ones where the eye test counts for a lot and also some of the less obvious stats outside of pressure acts and defence ratings etc.

E.g. Ash's 1v1 loss percentage is 33%. Caleb's is 75%. Ash more than double the spoils and one percenters as well.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

I'd still give Daniel the 23rd spot. Ash and Whitfield don't really play with a great deal of accountability. Difference is they've got 1 of 2 best defenders playing right now keeping the troops around them organised.

For me, Daniel's main rivals for that 23rd spot are Duursma and RHJ. I'd only need a couple weeks of accountable football in the twos to promote either.

RHJ could be an easy straight swap.

To replace Daniel with Duursma you would need Parker to spend 1/2 the game in defence I reckon. But in no world is Parker a more reliable sub 50m kick than Daniel. He's bringing hardness and organisation.

Whitfield doesn’t but Ash is a gun defender,
Always keeps his balance and is rarely beaten one on one. Having gun defenders like Idun, Buckley, Taylor and Himmelberg definitely helps too though.

Personally I reckon you are underrating Parker’s kicking. When in space he is one of the best kicks in our side.