Player Watch #5 Jack Ross - Concussion - TBC

[TigerImposter]

How has Ross improved? His physicals are limited and his kicking so so. He does a few things but simply is not good enough at the moment for the highest levels.

RCD could get better if he changes a few things. RCD seems quicker than Ross, taller with more reach and a better kick. He has more scope than Ross if he can improve.

I have seen no improvement from Ross, just consistency. More relevant how does Ross get better? What does he have to do? Moreover, if Ross keeps this going he will get delisted its just a question of when unless he improves. Applying pressure and tackling off itself will not cut the mustard, players need more strings than that. Baker has speed and good hands and is clean at least apart from a bit of mongrel, Castagna had speed and a bit of a leap

Both might be delisted but I see more opportunity for RCD to develop but he may not make it either\\

Don't get me wrong, I would prefer Ross made it, I would prefer both made it, but how does Ross get better. Can he improve his kicking? Can he get tougher with more presence inside? Can he show more aggression? He looks like a bit of a plodder so how does he improve his impact?

LOL. Ross has improved and RCD has stagnated. Full Stop

 

[Mr Magic]

LOL. Ross has improved and RCD has stagnated. Full Stop

Saying does not it true.

Would Ross and RCD make Essendon's 22?

I would think not.

Neither would make GWS list. O halloran looks ahead of both

Greg Clark at West Coast has shown more

Dow looks more likely than Ross. Ross simply lacks X-factor for the higher grades unless he can show more quality, not necessarily quantity

 

[TigerImposter]

Saying does not it true.

Would Ross and RCD make Essendon's 22?

I would think not.

Neither would make GWS list. O halloran looks ahead of both

Greg Clark at West Coast has shown more

Dow looks more likely than Ross

Please Magic stop trolling and starting hypotheticals. Ross would walk in Essendon's team . RCD possibly not and if he did he would most likely be dropped after 2 games. He won't play for our seniors again unless massive injuries hit our list. Stay focussed please as Ross will actually get a game for us this weekend whilst RCD will be playing Sunday at GLBTIBMHABC.....Z Stadium.

 

[Mr Magic]

Please Magic stop trolling and starting hypotheticals. Ross would walk in Essendon's team . RCD possibly not and if he did he would most likely be dropped after 2 games. He won't play for our seniors again unless massive injuries hit our list. Stay focussed please as Ross will actually get a game for us this weekend whilst RCD will be playing Sundy at GLBTIBMHABC.....Z Stadium.

Okay who does he go ahead of Essendon last weekend?

 

[TigerImposter]

Okay who does he go ahead of Essendon last weekend?

He'll be playing seniors for us this week and you reckon he can't fit in the Bombers line up.

 

[Grrr]

How has Ross improved? His physicals are limited and his kicking so so. He does a few things but simply is not good enough at the moment for the highest levels.

RCD could get better if he changes a few things. RCD seems quicker than Ross, taller with more reach and a better kick. He has more scope than Ross if he can improve.

I have seen no improvement from Ross, just consistency. More relevant how does Ross get better? What does he have to do? Moreover, if Ross keeps this going he will get delisted its just a question of when unless he improves. Applying pressure and tackling off itself will not cut the mustard, players need more strings than that. Baker has speed and good hands and is clean at least apart from a bit of mongrel, Castagna had speed and a bit of a leap

Both might be delisted but I see more opportunity for RCD to develop but he may not make it either\\

Don't get me wrong, I would prefer Ross made it, I would prefer both made it, but how does Ross get better. Can he improve his kicking? Can he get tougher with ore presence inside? Can he show more aggression?

I think you and TI are both right and both a bit wrong in my humble opinion. To say that Ross hasn't improved is incorrect. He was very dominant yesterday and really hit contests hard.

I am not in the camp that thinks his skills are not up to it, I have seen him hit nice passes with a pretty high degree of difficulty and I have seen him turn over simple kicks. As with all players they find their comfort zone, one where they make better probably less risky options but do it better.

Rance, Broad and Grimes were all risky kicks for quite a few years, now Broad and Grimes rarely miss a beat. The ultimate example of that is Edwards, could not hit the side of a barn one year when his confidence deserted him, in his peak he was about the most creative kick in the team. Also Ross has a long boot on him, so can easily kick 50m, plenty of inside mids can't do that, Cotchin for one.

Likewise Ross's handball, which was very good in his initial season, deserted him for a while. Even last week in the VFL he hit some very ordinary handballs that he would never have missed if he was in form.

But things clicked this week, (much like it did with Stack). Ross was in and under and away. He is very strong through the hips so can stand up in contests and looks pretty still and composed. His handball all day was clean and effective. A few occasions he tried a bit much but the longer the game went the better his decision making. Form and confidence are major factors in skill level.

As far as RCD goes unlike TI I have no problem with the defensive side of his game, he has just struggled to find that combination of when to play defensive and when to attack, it always seems to be one or the other. I thought his game on the weekend was the first time this year where he got that combination correct. Some weeks he has 10 tackles, some weeks 2. This week 5. Some weeks he breaks away using his pace and size, the next week his is flat footed. Maybe due to our dominance RCD was able to play his natural game, the one we saw as an 18 year old. Maybe all the coaching has confused him. See ball get ball is what he needs to be told. I agree with you in that I think he has the potential to be a good player.

Neither will be being delisted next year I would think. We have zero back-up for inside mids once Cotchin is gone. 5 years and Graham is not one. Lambert will be gone. Prestia may be injured, and will be 30. Dusty who knows. That leaves us the very outside Short. Sonsie looks a good prospect but his is pretty outside, certainly not a ball getter off the deck. Dow is very much in the same boat as Ross and RCD, his upside could be higher, but he is no certainty.

Plenty of inside mids take years to come on, we just have 3 of them doing it at once, which is a bit frustrating.

And if we decide to recruit an existing inside mid, then the good ones don't come cheap. Our first pick and maybe more next year perhaps. Hate giving away low picks unless they are A grade like Prestia, and they don't fall of trees.

 

[Mr Magic]

He'll be playing seniors for us this week and you reckon he can't fit in the Bombers line up.

Well it would only be Sam Durham or Brayden Ham but I do not know too much about those players

Players racking up ball in the twos is meaningless apart for a gauge on fitness in regards to the ones.

The standard of footy has dropped off that much and with the spread over 18 teams comparing the twos to the ones is pointless

It is more about the quality traits than accumulation for me

The fantasy guys will say Ross got more disposals because he attended more centre bounces at certain times more than anything.

 

[Gratees]

His disposal is average, but he cracks in more then anyone else at vfl level, has hard too way running, theres a reason he gets so many disposals. If he can clean up his disposal, and if we actually play him in the middle at afl level, i still believe he can be a good player, i suppose its up to him now

 

[Mr Magic]

His disposal is average, but he cracks in more then anyone else at vfl level, has hard too way running, theres a reason he gets so many disposals. If he can clean up his disposal, and if we actually play him in the middle at afl level, i still believe he can be a good player, i suppose its up to him now

Do you think he can get to Jai Newcombe standard?

Do you think that would be the goal.

Obviously it is not about flair but rather impact and contribution

 

[Gratees]

Do you think he can get to Jai Newcombe standard?

Do you think that would be the goal.

Obviously it is not about flair but rather impact and contribution

That would be a fair goal, hes 21 so he is still quite young, could be around that mark if we give him consistant afl games where he plays in the middle

 

[tunksy]

he can clearly play

North are knocking on his door

 

[tunksy]

Makes things easier on him playing his natural grunt midfielder game. He is a midfield bull and accumulator. He is not a flanker, winger or outside midfielder as he has been played at AFL level.

He will be our long term Cotch replacement imo.

agree. Watching his post match interview he said as much. Sounds like dimma wants him to add some versatility to his game though. Not sure he‘s going to develop in any other positions tbh he’s such a pure inside mid

This is what I was trying to find Morro, can’t seem to find a clip of his interview though.

Has been playing other roles to try and break into the team while our midfield is intact, so the coaches must see some talent there

 

[Morro]

This is what I was trying to find Morro, can’t seem to find a clip of his interview though.

Has been playing other roles to try and break into the team while our midfield is intact, so the coaches must see some talent there

I agree.

I think the major knock him on him early on was finding eay ball on the outside to compliment his inside game.

Wing and half back clearly teach more outside work ethic. I reckon his time is now.

 

[tunksy]

I agree.

I think the major knock him on him early on was finding eay ball on the outside to compliment his inside game.

Wing and half back clearly teach more outside work ethic. I reckon his time is now.

Yeah he’s like one of the few examples where we have changed a players position and it’s actually helped them develop a more well rounded game.

The potential is still there. Fingers crossed.

 

[Phar Ace]

Well it would only be Sam Durham or Brayden Ham but I do not know too much about those players

Players racking up ball in the twos is meaningless apart for a gauge on fitness in regards to the ones.

The standard of footy has dropped off that much and with the spread over 18 teams comparing the twos to the ones is pointless

It is more about the quality traits than accumulation for me

The fantasy guys will say Ross got more disposals because he attended more centre bounces at certain times more than anything.

Did you watch his game against Coburg? He was one of the players willing the Richmond team through with his persistent collection and disposal, hell he even blind turned ala Kickett at one stage but the kick went astray. I like him, nothing flashy, knows his job and does what he can to get it done. Doubt he will be our first choice inside mid but he will be a great understudy to one for a few years to come.

 

[59Stanley]

He did go in hard and racked them up against Coburg. He did torch the ball too and got away with other disposals that would have been gobbled up by the oppo at AFL level.
Look i like Ross in parts and hope he succeeds but he wont at the moment because he gets badly shown up at AFL level.
If he plays v Geelong looked for one of either a basic dropped chest mark or a switch kick that is a howler that result in goals to Geelong, you can bank on it !

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Keep Ross, flick RCD. It's pretty clear that's how we'll handle things here. Dimma appears to have no faith in RCD to contribute at AFL level and plays Ross whenever he can.
I was in RCD's corner for a long time but he hasn't come on, at all. If anything he's regressed. I'm not sure how anyone can watch him play in the seconds and objectively think 'this guy looks like an AFL player.'

 

[Profop]

He’s been real good. Tough on the inside and using it well on the outside

 

[footyistherealwinner]

His best game since the debut game against Port.

More inside mid Ross and less outside mid Ross

 

[richcogs]

Impressive game by Ross, he stood up! I was super worried when Prestia went down.

 

[DustinsGuns]

Was awesome

 

[DustinsGuns]

Has to be the Cotch replacement inside. He was so good today. No usual shockers, was in our best 4 or 5.

 

[juss]

Keep him in. He'll get there.

 

[Infamy]

Think it may have clicked for him
Fingers crossed it has

 

[Grockadoc]

Called it before. He is our Cotch replacement. He is at his best getting down and dirty in the packs.

No surprise his best games came in his natural position.