Bumped 6-7 Years off it!

[Agetigers]

Watching one week at a time and heard Luke Darcy saying that we have the worst list in the AFL ( fair comment ) then goes onto say where "6-7 years off it". Personally I don't agree at all.

Your thoughts??

 

[Katimm3]

i dont beileve it, we have the youngest side in the afl, we are building and getting there i think realisticly 3-4 years and we should be in finals

 

[win1soon]

luke darcy is a w***er. lets prove him wrong

 

[Agetigers]

luke darcy is a w***er. lets prove him wrong

He and rob walls on the same set is a disaster!! Rob walls saying he was disapoonted Matt white didn't get a game. Then saying cousins shouldn't be in the side cause he's takin a spot of a youngster! NFI

 

[Bazzar]

The really depressing part is 95% of commentators, Journalists and opposition supporters agree. It’s only us die-hard supporters (with rose tinted glasses?) who disagree. Listening and reading so much negativity today has been very depressing. And their is NO WAY im watching footy classified tonight. 30seconds into Carro bashing us again will want me smashing the telly.

 

[Katimm3]

The really depressing part is 95% of commentators, Journalists and opposition supporters agree. It’s only us die-hard supporters (with rose tinted glasses?) who agree. Listening and reading so much negativity today has been very depressing. And their is NO WAY im watching footy classified tonight. 30seconds into Carro bashing us again will want me smashing the telly.

i am going to watch it! shes not even a true supporter, she makes me so angry!

 

[Dustin Credible]

6-7 years is actually quite realistic. By then players like Deledio will be 28/29, Cotchin 26/27, Martin 24/25 and have gained enough experience to be contenders for a flag.

We may play finals sooner, (IMO ~ 3years) then but it will be like Carlton last season, making up the numbers without being a serious threat for a premiership.

 

[TheProwler]

I reckon 6-7 years sounds about right. The next two years the and the draft concessions to the two new teams really puts us behind the eightball.

You can bag Darcy alll you like but while we keep dishing up sub standard performances year in year out it makes it pretty hard to argue against.

 

[TimeFor11]

Its funny how they have set in stone the bottom 2 this season after 1 round though. We were always touted bottom 2 but before the debacle that is Melbourne lets themselves get r*ped they were expected to be 9-12 mark.

Long way to go just in this season before taking into account all the unknowns of future draft and trade selections. It is just one opinion which is hopefully an exaggeration.

 

[Bazzar]

The same so called experts had us making the finals last year. The question should be put to them now… ‘Why have in 12 months you done a complete 180 on our position…. is it because you have really no idea, and like to blindly follow the others, or is it you just has no idea at all.”

 

[win1soon]

He and rob walls on the same set is a disaster!! Rob walls saying he was disapoonted Matt white didn't get a game. Then saying cousins shouldn't be in the side cause he's takin a spot of a youngster! NFI

Exactly, atleast wait until we blood sum youngters and have learnt this new game style. reason white didnt get a game, is he cant kick.

 

[JimmyRecard]

I dont think our list is that bad, our midfield is potentially elite... our forward line and defence could be ok, next two years will be about testing every single player in those posisitons...

we just need a decent ruck divison whether thhats vickery developing our drafting/trading another... graham, browne, simmonds are not the awnsers..

to put it another way if freo were without Sandilands they would be much worse than us

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

We need 4 kp players , those currently doing the job are flankers / pockets , in saying that we have hope and possiblities in the wings , it's not impossible we could make finals next year !
Ruckmen can be traded for, kpp's are the most difficult to trade for !!

 

[Spluff]

Anybody who claims that any team won't be competitive for 6-7 years is clueless. We are very bad, and it will take a while to turn that around, but 6-7 years is a huge amount of time in footy. Many lists will be completely unrecognisable in 7 years.

 

[Bojangles17]

well considering he hasn't seen 10 of the 14 players taken in last years draft it would be one of the more simple minded boofheaded things I've ever heard...makes as much sense as suggesting the horses in next weeks barrier trial will be years off being any good...if it sounds ridiculous it's coz it is

 

[Madtiger2006]

Don't even listen to the media. 1 minute they are raving about an inform team, then the next they are saying that same team needs to rebuild after losing 4 games in a row. They don't even know our list. Most of us all quietly know we have a list which can play very exciting footy in a year or two. We aren't that far from putting it together. I think some of the most vital young players on our list were missing on Thursday night. They are the missing pieces of the jigsaw. It was obvious against Carlton that we were 1 tall player short in defence and we really needed that taller 195cm defender(Post, Gourdis, Rance). It was also obvious that you can't have a forward line with only 1 natural forward over 190cm(Reiwoldt). You need at least 1 more(Astbury, Griffiths). We also know that Simmonds can't do it anymore in the ruck. You need someone over 200cm who can really compete at centre bounces(Graham, Browne, Vickery). We have these players on our list to fill these holes and we'll be seeing them in the team over the next month or so. By the end of the year the stupid media will be saying how exciting our list is. Don't go complaining about Edwards or Tambling either. They weren't at their best last week but they are pretty important players still learning their tricks. Just watch it all work out this year and the media will cut their 6-8 years down to 2-4 years

 

[bigstyletiger]

I think Darcy's comments show a lack of research.

I think our list looks bad because it is so young.

I personally believe we could have the makings of a very good list it is just that important parts of it are unproven potential. They may not be all number 1 draft picks like Carlton and Melbourne but just for a minute imagine...

- Griffiths and Astbury grow into good key forwards. JR and Morton will be very dangerous if there are two other dangerous talls up front. It will also make our midfield look better as they will have more confidence moving forward.

- Morton, Taylor - could be two of the most damaging mid sized forwards in the league.

- Nahas, Nason, Roberts, Hicks, Gilligan - might not be superstars but of that lot two of them should be able to do the job as small forwards who lock the ball in and kicks some goals.

- Our midfield of the next decade is already looking pretty decent. Foley, Deledio, Cotchin, Martin have the makings of a fab four and we will have the chance to add a pick 4 or pick 6 to that in November and I assume something in the top 10 the year after.

- it's our backline which, for me, is the most problematic and is potentially holding us up. The forward line and the midfield should be quite potent in a couple of years. We are really hoping that Gourdis/Post can come into the mix. If Connors can improve defensively he might almost be a key for us. We really need long dangerous kicks coming out of the backline as the kicking of Edwards, McGuane, Thursty and Moore just doesn't beat zones and set up offenses.

At any rate Darcy is making that statment on the hear and now. Discounting Dimma's development ability and the potential talent we already have on the list. I mean for a while many people thought Bartel was a wet weather specialist and that was about it and that Geelong could not win a flag without trading for a tall forward. I think the RFC this time around might surprise a few people in a couple of years.

 

[guruisatiger]

i can remember dermie( whos opinion i trust 10 times more than darcy) saying on sen last year that he went down to punt rd to help our coach at the time jade rawlings take training ,, he said we had some very good young players who are just desperate to taught the rigors of afl he said they had a lot of potential and he was very surprised with some of our taller players,, hope fully now with dimma ladey and leppa and a better development programme and with 3 full time recruiters on board maybe 3 -- 4 years could be more realistic not 6-7 years like daarcy thinks as long as we stick to the process of drafting good young kids and developing them properly i think we will be fine

 

[emperor]

I'm just taking it one year at a time

 

[santa claws]

Its funny how they have set in stone the bottom 2 this season after 1 round though. We were always touted bottom 2 but before the debacle that is Melbourne lets themselves get r*ped they were expected to be 9-12 mark.

Long way to go just in this season before taking into account all the unknowns of future draft and trade selections. It is just one opinion which is hopefully an exaggeration.

pppfffttt it wasnt set in stone after one game everyone knew last yr 18 yr olds are not going to dramatically improve you we all know this but choose to ignore it when talking up our chances.

imo we are yet to bottom out i can name 15 players i would not hesitate to move on.
so bottom out 1 yr gone. build a spine 3 yrs at least thats 4 yrs make finals yr 5 and 6 and maybe challenge for a flag if other sides have not done better than us.

 

[Madtiger2006]

pppfffttt it wasnt set in stone after one game everyone knew last yr 18 yr olds are not going to dramatically improve you we all know this but choose to ignore it when talking up our chances.

imo we are yet to bottom out i can name 15 players i would not hesitate to move on.
so bottom out 1 yr gone. build a spine 3 yrs at least thats 4 yrs make finals yr 5 and 6 and maybe challenge for a flag if other sides have not done better than us.

This seems laughable. You have pretty much written off players such as Post, Astbury, Reiwoldt, Griffiths, Gourdis, Mcguane and Thursfield. I'll bet you my house we make the finals in a much shorter period than 6 years. Your post is so negative it's almost like you are an opposition supporter who doesn't really know our list and enjoys posting very exaggerated nagative replies

 

[captain blood 17]

I'm taking a different approach to this. When i heard the remark, i initially puffed the chest out and thought w***er, BUT, then i thought you know what, each year i've bought the party line and been disappointed. So screw it. i'm lowering my expectations. Rather than listen to the internals feed me like a mushroom, i'm gonna say, Darcy's right until we prove him wrong. If he and Wallsy say 6 to 7, and Mike (who's played a few) say 6, i agree with them. They are assessing us from an independant point of view, so i'll take it on board. So for me right now, i have no expectations on the list for about the next 3 years, if we get better before then, great, but if not, i aint losing sleep over it, as it will take time. I'm not bagging the club, i'm just trying to be understanding and accepting of where we are.

 

[_RT_]

Granted we're only 1 game into Hardwicks reign and a lot can change over the next 21 weeks but right now when you think about it, they aren't that far off the mark. If I asked you to look at our list and name players who are certain to be in our next finals side, I'd be surprised if anyone could name more than 6 players.

Before people like MT and others jump in and say Griffiths Astbury Gourdis and the like will be I would ask them, what have they done to prove that they will be? The answer at this moment is nothing, they like a few other kids, have the potential to be part of it but until they prove it on an AFL ground, none of us have any real idea whether they will or not.

 

[Bojangles17]

Granted we're only 1 game into Hardwicks reign and a lot can change over the next 21 weeks but right now when you think about it, they aren't that far off the mark. If I asked you to look at our list and name players who are certain to be in our next finals side, I'd be surprised if anyone could name more than 6 players.

Before people like MT and others jump in and say Griffiths Astbury Gourdis and the like will be I would ask them, what have they done to prove that they will be? .

what have they done to prove they won't

 

[TigerTime88]

The same so called experts had us making the finals last year. The question should be put to them now… ‘Why have in 12 months you done a complete 180 on our position…. is it because you have really no idea, and like to blindly follow the others, or is it you just has no idea at all.”

None of these experts actually know enough about our full list to know really where we stand. I gurantee they kknow nothing about Astbury, Groudis, Dea, Griffiths, Andy Collins ect. Not saying these guys are the be all and end all but they could all turn out to be flipping superstar All Australians so to write our list off for 7 years is a F**** joke considering any of these kids could develop into stars. Not to mention that within about 5 years we could get another 5 top ten picks....3 of these guys maybe guns adding to the likes of Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Vickery ect...I think it is just an outlandish comment.

Personally I think we will play finals in 2012 when our boys mature in men and our KPP have developed. Our recent recruitment has actually been fricken awesome...Vicks and Post last year, Martin, Relton, Astbury Griffiths last year I was stoked with.

Our listed is not necessarily the worst atm but the youngest. I think the worst list is the one that has no chance of winning a premiership. IMO Sydney, Freo, Port could not do this with there current lists. We could not and hence are rebuilding...we have the youngest list so of course we will get pumped. The main thing I will get cut about this season is if Deledio and Tambling do not continue to improve and if our defensive pressure is poor! I felt they were last week but if these players and this area improves then we are going to be fine.