Abortion

[KevinCat07]

I'm guessing it will be around five months, not two months, like when most abortions are carried out.

What difference would that make? Are you one of those fence sitters that suddenly draws the line at a certain month to justify your position like Karl Pilkinton does? Murder is murder......

 

[KevinCat07]

If he phrased it "abortion is the process of terminating a living entities life" would you agree with him?

Same shit, different wording. So long as you choose to believe an unborn child is not human/a person it makes accepting abortion that much easier.

Yeah yo uare right, media uses that a lot ie octomum,labeling a confused WN idiot kid a white supremist etc

 

[mantis]

What difference would that make? Are you one of those fence sitters that suddenly draws the line at a certain month to justify your position like Karl Pilkinton does? Murder is murder......

No, for a start it isn't murder, but all you anti abortionists post pics of developed babies, not cells, like when most abortions are carried out, when they aren't human, just cells with no features, brains, or organs.

 

[Niximus]

What difference would that make? Are you one of those fence sitters that suddenly draws the line at a certain month to justify your position like Karl Pilkinton does? Murder is murder......

and abortion is abortion, what's your point?

 

[Niximus]

You would want to know though! Put it this way if the past was being changed and ya mum was about to abort you you would want to stop it if you could see it all happening.

It's nothing but Nazi genocide!

If the past was changed and my mum told my dad she had a headache on the night I was conceived I wouldn't be here either, still not murder.

 

[skilts]

If the past was changed and my mum told my dad she had a headache on the night I was conceived I wouldn't be here either, still not murder.

Some migraines can be pretty painful.

KevinPusy still quoting from the only website he reads. Surprisingly, the alleged researchers are both connected to organisations which are actively opposed to abortion. Is it possible this may have influenced their findings? Or am I being too cynical?

Does anyone on here think any person would have been stupid or desparate enough to have given Vaders his 1st? To do so would have necessitated interrupting his conversations with foetuses. A distinctly weird person.

 

[Chief]

all i have to say is when it comes to abortion is that what if it was one of the baby's which have been killed was the person who would grow to cure cancer?

omg u just kilt mozart!!!!11111

 

[mantis]

omg u just kilt mozart!!!!11111

Or Hitler number two.

 

[Vaders_1st]

No, for a start it isn't murder, but all you anti abortionists post pics of developed babies, not cells, like when most abortions are carried out, when they aren't human, just cells with no features, brains, or organs.

Features aye? I guess it's easier to be pro-abortion when they don't look human right. Do you not agree life begins at conception?

But I don't expect a serious answer as I am dealing with a person who places savage pitties lives over a person's.

 

[mantis]

Features aye? I guess it's easier to be pro-abortion when they don't look human right. Do you not agree life begins at conception?

But I don't expect a serious answer as I am dealing with a person who places savage pitties lives over a person's.

It isn't human at conception.

Plus don't go off topic by bagging beautiful American Pitbull Terriers, they have harmed less children in Australia, than catholic priests.

 

[Off The Couch]

Features aye? I guess it's easier to be pro-abortion when they don't look human right. Do you not agree life begins at conception?

But I don't expect a serious answer as I am dealing with a person who places savage pitties lives over a person's.

I would offer a response to that but I am still lmao at post 507

 

[mantis]

I would offer a response to that but I am still lmao at post 507

Yep that was a classic.

 

[bit_pattern]

I'm pro abortion. Great procedure!

 

[Fuzzy Wuzzy Bear]

Very big amendment being proposed in Mississippi regarding when a life is considered a person. Always a very divisive issue. To be voted on in November.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/10/mississippi_personhood_amendment.html

The anti-abortion movement's tactic known as a "personhood amendment," which legally defines a person as existing at the moment of fertilization, has been rejected twice in recent years by voters in Colorado

But the effort has found new life in Mississippi, where a personhood amendment will appear on the Nov. 8 ballot. Mississippi is, by some measures, the nation's most conservative state, and the proposal has earned the support of both the Democratic and Republican candidates for governor, the majority of attorney general candidates, and a host of other state leaders.

Both sides in the debate agree that the measure would outlaw abortion, even in the cases of rape and incest

Very interesting to keep an eye on this one.

The personhood website describes itself as "Protecting the pre-born by love and law".

 

[buddy23]

It seems there is no way there will be a consensus on this issue in our lifetime. As many posters before have stated it should be "safe, legal and rare" - the best way to deal with it is through education (I should clarify that my idea of education is not a combination of molestation and scare tactics, though I'm not sure the same can be said for all).

 

[DarwinRoo]

I think I might have murdered a few million potential human beings when i self pleasured last night.

 

[Donners]

I think I might have murdered a few million potential human beings when i self pleasured last night.

Some might consider that a mercy killing.

 

[Craigyboy]

Here is my view, guaranteed to please no one. Not even me.

Abortion is killing.

All definitions of life post conception are arbitrary human or legal decisions, they are not when a life began.

Life begins at conception.

That is when this seperate biological material, sperm and egg, started to exist as a life, in however primative form in the early stages.

But, some times killing is necessary. The terms killer and murder are not the same thing, murder is a legal term, and it means legal sanction against has been agreed upon.

Killing a criminal in self-defense, in war (under certain circumstances) is not murder, but it sure as hell is killing.

Abortion is killing.

But history shows women can not be forced to endure nine months of pregnancy, to carry a life in their body if they are determined not to, and to force them is to my mind a greater injustice than the killing of the life in very early stages in most circumstances.

Abortion, as currently practiced, is justifiable killing.

But do not kid yourself ladies, give the gravity of your decision the honor of truth, you are killing.

You may have to kill, but killing is what you are doing.

I'm not having a go at this poster..... note this contradiction for what I will argue later in this post.

I reckon it is killing too and I hate people using it as a casual birth control method - I agree with Fidel Castro the primary way of reducing abortion is not making it illegal but to educate and provide plenty of alternatives - Hilary Clinton stole one of his sayings actually "Abortion should be safe, legal and rare"

Criminalising abortion has never been effective as a deterrent. The State cannot enforce morality - education and making the pill and condoms cheap and available are the answer

I have got a problem with late termers - seems to be the "extinguishment of human life" argument gets more tenous the less cells you destroy

Now, let me state that I am generally right-wing on most matters (Australian/British Right-Wing mind you.)

I think that abortion should be avoided at almost all costs. Regardless of how we term things in the modern world, abortion/extinguishment are forms of killing regardless of whether they are justifiable or not.

Having said that; you will notice that I did acknowledge that "justifiable killing" does exist. That is something that I do believe. Sometimes for various and largely complex reasons it can be moral to kill life, if the result of those actions lessens the overall suffering of all the parties concerned in a specific scenario.

Should abortions be offered willy-nilly? No

Should safe abortions within reasonable parameters be legal? Yes

Is the killing of a foetus sometimes morally justifiable? Yes

Is the killing of a foetus sometimes morally wrong? Yes

If a female and/or couple chooses to have an abortion, and such an abortion is legal under legislation, then the onus of morality lies with the female/couple undertaking the proceedure.

Thus, the state cannot legislate for every individual scenario that exists in this complex issue, nor can it prevent illegal abortions taking place. Thus; all that the state can effectively do is generally discourage abortion as a last resort, offer safe legal abortion (to discourage backyard abortion) and the leave the moral onus where it belongs ----- with the individuals directly concerned.

Who defends the foetus?.....Morality through society, however a state cannot guarantee a foetus safety regardless of how many laws it makes.

We all have to live with the consequences of our own actions.



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[vealesy]

I got a junky **** drug dealer pregnant once. GREAT rack.

Why the hell would I CHOOSE to take responsibility for that?

Abortions are fantastic, its not MY uterus being scraped with a coathanger, so why would I care?

 

[Caesar]

Some might consider that a mercy killing.

Oh, snap.

 

[Teffy]

No winger/pro population control

 

[Craigyboy]

I got a junky **** drug dealer pregnant once. GREAT rack.

Why the hell would I CHOOSE to take responsibility for that?

Abortions are fantastic, its not MY uterus being scraped with a coathanger, so why would I care?

Well I don't really want to go into graphic detail because this is a family board.... But you did CHOOSE to put your ying into her yang, therefore you are at least 50% responsible cowboy!

I can't believe you're not a magpies supporter.

 

[vealesy]

I didnt mean I wasnt responsible for the deed, I meant why would i choose to be responsible for the kid and ruin my life, if I dont have to?

Would you rather that foetus grew up and started dealing meth?

 

[Fuzzy Wuzzy Bear]

I didnt mean I wasnt responsible for the deed, I meant why would i choose to be responsible for the kid and ruin my life, if I dont have to?

Would you rather that foetus grew up and started dealing meth?

You make it out as if that's the only option. If you are worried about "ruining your life" by becoming a father why have unprotected sex. And please not the predictable "cus it feelz gud" excuse.

I mean, I also think fatherhood would ruin my life, but I disagree that using abortion as a failsafe/fall back on/contraception method to irresponsiblle sex is the way to go.

Just seems the main reasoning behind many pro-choicers support for abortion is because they want consequence free sex rather than actually caring about the women's rights.

 

[vealesy]

Because I made the assumption she was on the pill.

Turns out she just has abortions.

I guess thats her 'right' that you speak of.

And not everyone carries a condom on them every minute of their life.