Play Nice Adam Goodes

[GoodesFella]

So you're not a redneck?
You Hawk hillbillies better change your manner then because even some of your fellow Hawk supporters are embarrassed by the spew coming from your keyboards!

I cant believe how much 2012 has ****ed up the pysche of the hawk supporter.

Every team that has ever "dared" to beat them in a final or GF has suffered at the hands of sociopathic hawk fans.

 

[ClokesShankedIt]

Not the biggest fan of Eddie but I feel sorry for him here.

He's pointed out the obvious, that Goodes was acting in a threatening manner but Eddie's failing was that he didn't wait to see how the narrative was constructed around this.

One of the best posts I've seen here stated that in the AFL it's not what is done that matters, but who does it.

Goodes is on the AFL's protected species list, so he can charge at the crowd with impunity. The initial reaction of the commentators at the game (Cometti, Brereton, etc) was their truthful reaction to what they were seeing but later on the AFL gave this the big tick so now it's a symbol of cultural pride or some such bullshit.

Eddies gone early and watched the tide go out around him as the other AFL accredited media pack followed the money.

 

[GoodesFella]

I am going to vote Tony Abbott to annoy him too.

So you are willing to **** up you and your countries future just to spite someone you dont know?

Do you see why you have an issue?

You boo if you want, it will just make you look like a lowlife, but you dont care, so brave, so edgy on the interwebs. You sure showed me!

 

[Gak Attack]

Personally, I think this mentality is a burden on whoever subscribes to it. Thousands of years of human history are filled with invasion, war, colonisation, forced migration, subjugation, slavery and oppression. It's a shitty history, but it's not our personal history and nor should it be implied that it is.

Yep the human race are not nice all the way through history. Nothing will ever be good if we live in the past. A lot of disgusting things happened to indigenous Australians but some people act like if the British didn't come they would still be living their old existence. Sad fact is they were a less advanced people living on a massive amount of resource rich land, someone was coming and unlikely any of the people would have been any better for them.

 

[Pendles!]

They are clinging to this fallacy that he slides each week, that he plays up each week when the reality is he hasn't done any of that for a few seasons.

Its just a convenient excuse by the hive mind, they are running out of reasons and clinging on to them. Even when called out they ignore and continue.

I would love for a TV show to actually break down with fact and figures, but we all know that most australians have a tendency to drift into a mindset of stupid and not pay attention when facts are presented. We also know australians are too immature to concede they were wrong, so then it becomes a power by numbers.

Even after Adam Goodes spent a whole press conference explaining the whole thing, no one wants to listen.

The sad thing is, my fellow aussies havent got the brain capacity to be self aware. They don't understand that their behaviour plays right into what Adam is talking about.

But really what do you expect from a country that is proud to be anti intellectual. This is what we get, anyone who has any semblance of a brain is called uppity and ******. Look at Lambumba, years ago he copped it for not being a "Dane Swan" who mumbles through a sentence and is dopey.

What irks me in this thread is a group of 20 something year old white males all sitting behind the safety of their monitors passing judgement on a guy who will do a lot more and contribute a hell of a lot more to society than they ever will throwing around mistruths and thinking using words as flogs makes them feel on a higher level than Goodesy.

In fact reading this thread makes me feel like i walked in the lunch room of a construction site.

"Goodes slides" doesn't wash. He's done the time for those "heinous" crimes and the last incident was years ago. The booing didn't start then. If people are using it as an excuse, they should be doing drive by shootings at Lindsay Thomas' house in a daily basis.

Proof you two won't accept any reason other than race for peoples dislike for Goodes.

I don't care he is aboriginal, i wouldn't care if he was asian, american, european. He does things on the field that aren't in the spirit of the game. I don't like him and it has nothing to do with race, no matter what you have to say about it.

 

[Cleric]

Oh that is so cynical.

You are benefiting every day from the invasion of 1788.

Show some respect ...

How am I benefiting? If my family had of stayed in Europe a hundred years ago my life would be terrible would it? I wouldnt have an education, or wealth? I would somehow have less access to education or opportunity? Are you been racist by saying Europe sucks and is a second rate place to be?

 

[Andrew Mc]

Um, this line confuses me. What if people believe these allegations and as a result change their business away from me/ come out and do violence to me etc.
This is part of what I dislike goodes for, the rampant media defence where flogs like Caro and slobbo presume to know what I am thinking, and refuse to believe when fans like myself call up/ text their shows. We get dismissed as liars.

See, I don't get that. Why the dislike for Goodes for that - it's the media you should be directing your ire at. Normal people won't tar everyone with the same brush, and won't change their business away from you because of the team you support. If they do, then they probably aren't worth dealing with. Chill out buddy .

 

[GoodesFella]

Proof you two won't accept any reason other than race for peoples dislike for Goodes.

I don't care he is aboriginal, i wouldn't care if he was asian, american, european. He does things on the field that aren't in the spirit of the game. I don't like him and it has nothing to do with race, no matter what you have to say about it.

Its gone waaaay beyond actions on the field for the sole fact that he hasnt performed any "dirty acts" on the field in nearly 2 seasons and even then it was sparse.

Do you understand what pavlovian means? What about the hive mind?

 

[The Clamp]

So you are willing to **** up you and your countries future just to spite someone you dont know?

Do you see why you have an issue?

You boo if you want, it will just make you look like a lowlife, but you dont care, so brave, so edgy on the interwebs. You sure should me.

I knew I would suck you in. And yes it does not matter if you vote Liberal or Labor the long term outcome is the same. It might have a slightly different flavour but it won't change the important issues.

Maybe one day you will see that your moralising and judgement of the whole of white Australia makes you part of the problem too.

 

[Tedeski]

Sydney fans regularly boo'd Brent Guerra (short memory guys) when he was playing and it wasn't because of his Toupe.

Its because in the words of most others he was.a filthy thug sniper.

Hawks boo'd Lloyd with the same or higher voracity because he was a diving sniper.

Goodes is the same. Photos only some examples.

You put a fair bit of effort into that mate.
The pictures you used were to give a reason as to why you boo Goodes, but unfortunately the vitriol in your words are proof as to why you are perceived as a racist.
It's pure nastiness & full of hate.

 

[Cleric]

So you are willing to **** up you and your countries future just to spite someone you dont know?

Do you see why you have an issue?

You boo if you want, it will just make you look like a lowlife, but you dont care, so brave, so edgy on the interwebs. You sure showed me!

Lol. Cos Labor governments are just sooo much different. Damm theres some dumb people around.

 

[GoodesFella]

Not the biggest fan of Eddie but I feel sorry for him here.

He's pointed out the obvious, that Goodes was acting in a threatening manner but Eddie's failing was that he didn't wait to see how the narrative was constructed around this.

One of the best posts I've seen here stated that in the AFL it's not what is done that matters, but who does it.

Goodes is on the AFL's protected species list, so he can charge at the crowd with impunity. The initial reaction of the commentators at the game (Cometti, Brereton, etc) was their truthful reaction to what they were seeing but later on the AFL gave this the big tick so now it's a symbol of cultural pride or some such bullshit.

Eddies gone early and watched the tide go out around him as the other AFL accredited media pack followed the money.

You feel sorry for a man who couldn't shut up about it, who made a stupid comment days after it on a radio show and who is know to bully people to get his way?

The last person this country needs to feel sorry for is Eddie McGuire. The man has more privilege in his right pinky than me and you both put together.

He started this by dog whistling on friday night because the reality is Eddie McGuire is a vindictive man. You cross Eddie you are ****ed. Eddie is very pissed off at the way Adam basically destroyed his media personality in 2013. In his mid if Adam wasn't playing then his popularity wouldn't have taken a shot.

So Eddie does what Eddie loves to do and that is use his platform to form narratives, he was at some stage a tabloid journo. He couldn't go after Goodsey, so he went after the swans.

And then he tries to convince everyone that he is on Adams side.

In fact his behaviour is very similar to a lot of posters in this thread. It begins with a disclaimer and then he proceeds to attack attack attack.

Eddie McGuire is the last person you should feel for.

 

[Xtreme]

Cognitive dissonance right here folks, perfect example.



So do you condone and will you boo your own players, who 3 weeks ago performed some thugs acts that we havent seen for year?

Goodes last "thug act" which BTW was hardly as dirty as a hodge or lewis, was in 2013 and even then it wasn't a thug act, but here you are still trying to claim he does it and yet you cheer Hodge and Lewis.

Dear oh dear.

Actually sunshine his last two acts that have me seething are his hit against Selwood last year and the punch on Breust's back in the grand final last year as well. I'm not going to throw my support behind a player of his magnitude, especially one that can't handle the negative reaction he gets (as evidenced by him flipping the bird at Richmond supporters last year).

What Hodge and Lewis did was stupid no doubt and it has cost Hawthorn victories this season + vital premeirship points that will shape the ladder at the end of the regular season, no Hawthorn supporter approved of it, get your mind out of the gutter.

The media reaction to this will only see him be booed much much much more. Want people to stop booing him ? Goodes has to change his thug act ways.

It's pure racism.
If that's the way others & I see it then you shouldn't be offended by it.
Just take like you expect Goodes to take it man.
You're predominately a racist club from top to bottom judging by the vibe!

Big time lol there, I guess I am also racist for hating Stevie J, Selwood and the like who also do random acts of stupidity on the football field. My hate of Goodes is not racially motivated what so ever. Get your blinkers off.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

We didnt steal their country at all. They were not born before it was well and truely a western country. They didnt grow up when the British settled. They know no other time or world than there is today.

So let's call off Anzac Day because you and I had f** all to do with that too.

This "why are we getting blamed for something that happened before we were even born?" would have to be the lamest most BS deflective excuse ever trotted out.

Here's a fact. NO-ONE today is being blamed for the disgraces of the past.

I can feel shame for what my forefathers did, without fearing I'm expected to feel personally responsible.

Just like I can take pride on Anzac Day in what my forefathers did, without feeling I'm claiming any of that for myself.

Why are people so quick to take pride, but so kneejerk to reject any acknowledgement of shame?

A truly mature nation can simultaneously feel pride and shame, without taking any of it personally.

 

[Cleric]

i'm embarrassed for you mate

Nah keep your embarrisment for one of those bleeding heart issues.
What do you think that girl would have called Dipper if he had of run up to her on the side line? Most likely a "big fat ape".
To try and judge the motive a 13 year old girl as racist is pathetic.

 

[GoodesFella]

Lol. Cos Labor governments are just sooo much different. Damm theres some dumb people around.

Liblab.

People with any semblance of knowledge now know that Labor is the moderate centrist right and liberal are the far right.

The new greens are trying to establish a centrist approach with the new leader.

Nice try, if you want to discuss politics go ahead.

 

[Pessimistic]

Cognitive dissonance right here folks, perfect example.



So do you condone and will you boo your own players, who 3 weeks ago performed some thugs acts that we havent seen for year?

Goodes last "thug act" which BTW was hardly as dirty as a hodge or lewis, was in 2013 and even then it wasn't a thug act, but here you are still trying to claim he does it and yet you cheer Hodge and Lewis.

Dear oh dear.

Mate, footy is tribal, not in the indigenous sense. My player does something questionable, i argue every point that its not that bad, Your player does it, and its the worst crime imaginable.

Bigfooty is documented proof of that, over and over. Your club sydney have had some of the biggest thugs ever, as have hawthorn. In AFL these clubs are successful and get rewarded

In footy the bullies win, there's no meek shall inherit the earth. Its not my approach to life, in some ways its opposite, but I still enjoy the footy.

One trouble with footy championing issues ir, to a certain extent, its putting lipstick on a pig.

Listen good people, its not whites v indigenous, its brown and gold v red and white, and it displays all the fundamentalism, stupidity, hypocrisy, contrariness that racism also has. But its not ingrained, biut its very easy for commentators to allege this

The difference is those same people jump on the train together afterwards and silently go home to their sleepy little suburbs. We dont have the problem other countries have, we should be vigilant this doesn't develop, but I dont see any signs yet.

 

[Tiger7374]

I only accept white people who act acceptably, not sure why I shouldn't apply the same rules to aboriginals.

I think you'll find that the white players that go around diving, ducking, staging, sniping or just generally acting like a flog tend to cop a heap of abuse too.

Example...Selwood

I'm hoping young Grimes doesn't continue down that shitty path...

 

[Pessimistic]

Liblab.

People with any semblance of knowledge now know that Labor is the moderate centrist right and liberal are the far right.

The new greens are trying to establish a centrist approach with the new leader.

Nice try, if you want to discuss politics go ahead.

Agree we should stay off politics because a liberal pm awarded AOTY to goodes did he not ?

 

[GoodesFella]

Actually sunshine his last two acts that have me seething are his hit against Selwood last year and the punch on Breust's back in the grand final last year as well. I'm not going to throw my support behind a player of his magnitude, especially one that can't handle the negative reaction he gets (as evidenced by him flipping the bird at Richmond supporters last year).

What Hodge and Lewis did was stupid no doubt and it has cost Hawthorn victories this season + vital premeirship points that will shape the ladder at the end of the regular season, no Hawthorn supporter approved of it, get your mind out of the gutter.

The media reaction to this will only see him be booed much much much more. Want people to stop booing him ? Goodes has to change his thug act ways.



Big time lol there, I guess I am also racist for hating Stevie J, Selwood and the like who also do random acts of stupidity on the football field. My hate of Goodes is not racially motivated what so ever. Get your blinkers off.

Thats not my point, my point is, do you hate hodge and lewis as much as Goodes for actions on the field?

 

[GoodesFella]

So let's call off Anzac Day because you and I had f** all to do with that too.

This "why are we getting blamed for something that happened before we were even born?" would have to be the lamest most BS deflective excuse ever trotted out.

Here's a fact. NO-ONE today is being blamed for the disgraces of the past.

I can feel shame for what my forefathers did, without fearing I'm expected to feel personally responsible.

Just like I can take pride on Anzac Day in what my forefathers did, without feeling I'm claiming any of that for myself.

Why are people so quick to take pride, but so kneejerk to reject any acknowledgement of shame?

A truly mature nation can simultaneously feel pride and shame, without taking any of it personally.

Education, a lot of people in this thread dont have the capacity to deal with their emotions, so they end up confusing themselves.

 

[The Clamp]

Liblab.

People with any semblance of knowledge now know that Labor is the moderate centrist right and liberal are the far right.

The new greens are trying to establish a centrist approach with the new leader.

Nice try, if you want to discuss politics go ahead.

Ha Ha.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I am going to boo goods to annoy people like GoodesFella. I am going to vote Tony Abbott to annoy him too.

I don't agree with both but it will be worth it for them to be wound up by something that does not matter.

Small things amuse small minds, as your mum probably said.

 

[GoodesFella]

Agree we should stay off politics because a liberal pm awarded AOTY to goodes did he not ?

Even if it was Labor who awarded him the award it would not have mattered or changed the outcomes.

 

[Magpie Monopoly]

Ive been battling with my feelings for Adam Goodes for a while now. No one can deny that he was one of the greatest players of the modern era, 2 Brownlows and 2 premierships speak for themselves. He is an ambassador for the under represented aboriginal community and is a role model for a lot of people. So why then is it that he gets such a bad rap, gets booed and always seems to be in the news for all the wrong reasons? Why is it that watching him, I cant help but have a bad taste in my mouth and don't particularly enjoy his successes? Been tossing round ideas for a while now, and then the events of Friday night finally made it clear to me.

Instead of just being proud of his heritage, and being proud to be an Australian, Adam Goodes uses his race to elevate his standing in society and uses it as a platform to, at every opportunity, say "Look at me". Morgan Freeman once said when asked about how to get rid of racism in relation to black history month, the answer was to "Stop talking about it, I need to stop calling you a white man, and you need to stop calling me a black man", and for me, I think this is the passive approach that needs to be taken to a long standing social issue. Adam Goodes could not be further from the mark in this regard. Every opportunity to make it "us" vs "them", he jumps on. Every opportunity to let Australia know that he is different, and that his people are different, he jumps on. I mean, how many times do I need to be reminded that your aboriginal? The mouth guard the constant quotes, and now the dance. This figurehead for racism in Australia, has been quoted saying "Aboriginal people have been here a lot longer than anybody else, so just remember whose lands you are on", is this really something that is going to help fix the problem?

Instead of bringing two communities together Adam Goodes has a habit of dividing the the community in a time where, yes, there are some people the harbour racist views, but for the large part and the majority of the community and in particular the footy community, your every day footy go-er is doing their best to address these issues. Look at other players over the past 10 years when they have run in with idiot supporters and players, we get a "Yeah they were being a dickhead, but they have apologised and I'm happy with that and i wanna move on", whenever anything happens with Adam Goodes it goes on for over a week and the whole community gets lectured about how racist we all are?

It really just makes me questions his motives, and why he does the things he does, and for a person that does so much for the community, he's really letting himself down. When you go out of your way to set up an "us vs them" mentality, you cant at all be surprised when the "them" feel as though you're the enemy, and that you're not working with the majority of the supporters, but against them.