Play Nice Adam Goodes

[romeohwho]

Potentially, but then why can Goodes

In a perfect world things are as simple as two parties saying, "oh sorry did you think i meant that, sorry i meant this", "oh, is that what you meant, well all good then my bad", but thats not the world we live in.

If Goodes is trying to get a message across, and fails to get that message across to the wider public, and actually gets the opposite message across, is he just going to chalk that up as a win?

Nope I asked you if he said that, because I can't find an article saying that. I saw an article where he says Its disappointing to be booed, and I don't know why they boo. Can't find the one you have stated.
If the wider public take a negative and critical stance on that dance, then that tells you more about them than about Goodes. So he may as well go for it and it might make a difference for an indigenous youth.

 

[Alesana]

On what grounds do you deny that? As I asked earlier, do you think if people had to openly display the fact they were booing him because they were racist that they would maintain it for very long?

Nothing has stopped people doing that already ffs. Franklin ran near the boundary in Lanceston, he got racially vilified, and guess what, it wasn't disguised as general booing because there were no boos.

 

[Pessimistic]

Much is made of this middle class white leafy suburbs not liking goodes or being racist but in my couple of decades in austraila these seem to be the the least likely to be racist against indigenous, compared to places where there is more aboriginal population. "Latte sippers" if you like.

Many of us would only have met actual indigenous people such as cyril and brad hill. No other experience of indigenous people.
its liberal blue ribbon voting but also had some of the highest yes vote for a republic.

Also im not sure if its obvious, but hawk fans are paranoid and have a huge chip on our shoulder about 1996, we thought the afl and media in concert was bulldozing our club to make way for what we see as interstate franchises. it may be why we have this huge thing about COLA and other stuff. lmany still believe if we grow weak, people in the afl will try again to merge or relocate hawthorn. Its totally unjustified these days, and more so each year, but thats paranoia for you

 

[Kummerspeck]

Nothing has stopped people doing that already ffs

You're going to need to unpack that a bit further.

 

[CountryRace]

They don't need to do anything, there just wouldn't be a forum for them any more. It doesn't need to reeducate them, just needs to remove oxygen for those particular views.

so essentially one can boo, say a grass throwing, cheating, vodka drinking white person. no worries.

however one should not boo a black person due to your reasoning.

for the sake of clarity? well i for one as uncomfortable discriminating on skin color

Go away the adults are trying to converse.

in a mighty fluffy, overly politcially correct fashion

 

[Alesana]

You're going to need to unpack that a bit further.

Edited my post, check again

 

[Kummerspeck]

so essentially one can boo, say a grass throwing, cheating, vodka drinking white person. no worries.

however one should not boo a black person due to your reasoning.

My reasoning is nothing like that.

 

[CountryRace]

My reasoning is nothing like that.

your reasoning being the rohan connelly line "it might provide a cover for racism"

chances are if you boo a white player, it wont give cover to hidden racism

so at the end of the day: booing black guy / goodes = no good. booing white guy = acceptable? i find this a concerning mentality

once again, discrimination on the grounds o skin color can led down a shaky path

 

[Kummerspeck]

Edited my post, check again

So we have an incident where racial discrimination was done openly, the person was identified and harshly sanctioned. What if there were 10 people calling out to Franklin? 100? Do you think the consequences would have been the same? Thank you for pointing out what happens to people when they're openly racist without the cover of a crowd to protect them.

 

[Kummerspeck]

your reasoning being the rohan connelly line "it might provide a cover for racism"

Saying that booing fan outspoken indigenous player who's received more abuse since his comments on Australia and racism could provide those who do it with racist intent with cover isn't saying you can't boo indigenous players at all.

 

[GoodesFella]

Also im not sure if its obvious, but hawk fans are paranoid and have a huge chip on our shoulder about 1996, we thought the afl and media in concert was bulldozing our club to make way for what we see as interstate franchises. it may be why we have this huge thing about COLA and other stuff. lmany still believe if we grow weak, people in the afl will try again to merge or relocate hawthorn. Its totally unjustified these days, and more so each year, but thats paranoia for you

But you have a great club with a proud history and some really good supporters, there is no reason why you have to have this chip!

I think part of it comes from massive success, you end up acting in a way subconsciously, that you expect nothing more nothing less. It maybe why our supporters are docile and not aggressive or arrogant, we went through massive hard times and waited 72 years for a flag.

Look at rivalry with WCE, there was respect for both clubs and an appreciation we had something special in terms of a competitive rivalry. With the hawks it seems to be taken tho this level of just nastiness, like a grade 7 bully picking on a 3rd grader.

I love our intense rivalry, i just wish there wasnt this element of nastiness and it was good humoured banter, but its not.

 

[QuietB]

And what is factually incorrect in your statement is Gibson right leg wasnt broken at all. FACT. Left ankle was clutched FACT.

But facts is the enemy on BF, it gets in the way of anecdotes and shitty opinions, FACT.

And that matters how

 

[CountryRace]

Saying that booing fan outspoken indigenous player who's received more abuse since his comments on Australia and racism could provide those who do it with racist intent with cover isn't saying you can't boo indigenous players at all.

thank you for clarifying the rules

 

[Alesana]

So we have an incident where racial discrimination was done openly, the person was identified and harshly sanctioned. What if there were 10 people calling out to Franklin? 100? Do you think the consequences would have been the same? Thank you for pointing out what happens to people when they're openly racist without the cover of a crowd to protect them.

There's plenty of people with sanity that will point out these people to security and will be dealt with. But according to you, everyone should sacrifice their right to boo so that just in case there is a racist among them, they will be singled out? Good luck with that!

 

[GoodesFella]

And that matters how

Well the main point by hawks fan is that goodes slid in and almost broke gibsons right leg and almost rendered him a cripple. When it was nothing like that.

 

[darcytiger]

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[Kummerspeck]

There's plenty of people with sanity that will point out these people to security and will be dealt with. But according to you, everyone should sacrifice their right to boo so that just in case there is a racist among them, they will be singled out? Good luck with that!

Well, that's not according to me. You raise a good point though. People thinking about the unintended consequences of their actions. At the footy no less! It's a hard knock life for a football fan.

thank you for clarifying the rules

I know you were trying to be sarcastic but that response doesn't tie in well with the post as a whole or the part you bolded.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Just in case this thread descends in a Sydney Supporters Vs RoW I'd like to point out I'm not standing up for Adam because he's a Swan.

When Barry Hall was playing for us I said he was a thug and I consistently condemned his onfield transgressions. That hit on Staker was right in front of me and it was disgusting.

 

[Alesana]

Well, that's not according to me. You raise a good point though. People thinking about the unintended consequences of their actions. At the footy no less! It's a hard knock life for a football fan.

Well then I guess everyone should just stay home all day everyday. Every action has unintended consequences if you're going to go there

 

[pazza]

I cannot understand why people are actually giving a shit about the whole thing.

Then again I wasn't offended by it.

 

[GoodesFella]

Just in case this thread descends in a Sydney Supporters Vs RoW I'd like to point out I'm not standing up for Adam because he's a Swan.

When Barry Hall was playing for us I said he was a thug and I consistently condemned his onfield transgressions. That hit on Staker was right in front of me and it was disgusting.

I feel the same way, ive never liked Hall tbh as he was a thug. And he has gone down another rank when he joined the hivemind on foxfooty in condemning adam.

you think a former captain of the club who played a long time with adam would have at least afforded goodsey the respect of saying **** all.

I think he pissed off a few former team mates as well.

I understand he is now a paid pundit but show some respect Hall.

 

[CountryRace]

You didn't get it straight.

Well, good to see you agree with my original point. That those who boo for whatever reasons provide cover for racism. Did you learn something today?

i feel like ive learn very little

apart from your world view its seems acceptable to boo white people but perhaps not some black - due to some strange form of " provide cover for racism. " reasoning

still cant quite get my head around it im afraid

 

[CountryRace]

I feel the same way, ive never liked Hall tbh as he was a thug. And he has gone down another rank when he joined the hivemind on foxfooty in condemning adam.

you think a former captain of the club who played a long time with adam would have at least afforded goodsey the respect of saying **** all.

I think he pissed off a few former team mates as well.

I understand he is now a paid pundit but show some respect Hall.

apparently hall said goodes dance was too "confronting"

 

[QuietB]

So we have an incident where racial discrimination was done openly, the person was identified and harshly sanctioned. What if there were 10 people calling out to Franklin? 100? Do you think the consequences would have been the same? Thank you for pointing out what happens to people when they're openly racist without the cover of a crowd to protect them.

So when the Swans boo'd Franklin all night in Sydney in 2012, what percentage of them were racist?

 

[CountryRace]

So when the Swans boo'd Franklin all night in Sydney in 2012, what percentage of them were racist?

and how much cover was provided