I reckon , allowing injury, we fought that out against a classier Collingwood.
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They're not going to pick him, Mitch.
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Me too. No denying the absolute touch up without our best mid and first choice ruck, and the midfield suffered badly as a result. Pulled a few levers and kept the lid on what once would have easily been a biblical 100+ loss.
Would say that puts us at “very bad, bottom four” territory, however that’s bizarrely an upgrade on last year’s side. He’s got his contract, we all know this, so persist through the s**t and see how many green shoots protrude.
Such a non-needle mover of a game in either direction that.
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Up there with Gunnars speckled space turd
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He’s been doing enough to shelve any talk of a mid season sacking
He hasn’t been doing well enough to justify any contract extension
When the season is finished there will need to be an honest discussion about what the plan is beyond 2025 because going into next year as a bottom 4 club with an uncontracted coach is a recipe for instability
How we close out this year will have a large influence on what that discussion looks like
He hasn’t been doing well enough to justify any contract extension
When the season is finished there will need to be an honest discussion about what the plan is beyond 2025 because going into next year as a bottom 4 club with an uncontracted coach is a recipe for instability
How we close out this year will have a large influence on what that discussion looks like
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How can 1 player out impact the midfield so much? Surely as a coach you don't build a game plan relying on full availability of players? Collingwood were missing 3? Midfielders yet they don't rely on any 1 individual and have a game plan that is plug and play
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We’ve neglected our midfield for years in draft and trade so now other than Kelly and Yeo we’re light on pre 2022 Ginbey/Hewett draft for genuine mids. The kids have the ability but need time and now we’re also in a spot where trading for established mids is difficult because we need the picks. So we either accept the shallow midfield until the kids develop or use FA to bring in established mids.
You have to put things in perspective.
It's last years premiers against last year's wooden spooners.
Of course they have a better squad with more depth.
Don't think anyone can equate anything of the result of this game against Simpson.
Undermanned and less quality depth and playing away with 4 additional players for Collingwood and losing McGovern during the game I'm not surprised the result didn't hit 100 points.
Even Melbourne next week will potentially be a big loss.
We competed and didnt give up.
Undermanned and less quality depth and playing away with 4 additional players for Collingwood and losing McGovern during the game I'm not surprised the result didn't hit 100 points.
Even Melbourne next week will potentially be a big loss.
We competed and didnt give up.
Their depth is a wide spread of high quality. After Yoe we fall off a cliff. Kelly is a different player and even he lifted in the second half after being well beaten by numbers.
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Who's decision to not recruit mids? List manager? Head coach? Ceo? Other? Surely if it was Simpson's decision he can't use it as an excuse
Coaching staff and List manager would have a big say. Eagles never got access though to top picks because they were successful too long.
The Eagles also used to play more mid forwards which suited there posession game. They also had Nick Nat such a similar ruckman so was partially another reason.
Then the AFL changed the rules 6/6/6 and stand rule and Nick Nat retired. The game has changed and it takes a while to refresh the list profile.
Plus the tk deal ****ed us
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A 60 point drubbing was about ballpark, unfortunately. So many key outs away to the reigning premier, don't know why some were expecting us to take the points.
In retrospect, yes.
But hindsight makes heroes of us all. The picks we gave haven't exactly set the AFL world on fire and when you've just won a flag you don't think about rebuilding.
In retrospect, yes.
But hindsight makes heroes of us all. The picks we gave haven't exactly set the AFL world on fire and when you've just won a flag you don't think about rebuilding.
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we won the last quarter so that's something I guess ..
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The TK deal meant the club needed to have a 75% hit rate on players drafted during that period. Unfortunately it has shown to be nothing close to that. The club also lost DV, one of the players who would be in the perfect age demographic atm. Poor drafting and development is the reason the club has huge holes in the age profile of the list.
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I don't think anyone denies that we've drafted and developed poorly for the most part.
However, the Tim Kelly deal was the right move at the time.
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We've drafted plenty of mids. They were just either all spuds or our development systems for mids sucks(ed?) big time.
Probably a little from both columns as surely we should have snagged one or two roughies from 2014-2022?
Probably a little from both columns as surely we should have snagged one or two roughies from 2014-2022?
Dale Doback
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I've always remembered a game in late 2015 in Bevo's first year at the dogs where we smacked them at Subi. Checked it out and it was round 21, 162 to 85. I remember the game because of the contrast in styles. They would play on at every opportunity with a forward handball, with someone always running to receive and the players would give it off, even if they were selling someone into trouble. They'd started their high intensity handball club and were working on his game style and they'd clearly all bought in. They'd stuff it up sometimes but that's how you improve.
The next year the dogs smashed us in the elimination final on their way to a flag playing that high intensity fast ball movement style. Then Richmond wins 3 of the next 4 playing in a similar way. The point is Bevo stuck to the plan regardless of the result and it paid off.
8 years on from the dogs eliminating us in 16 and there's Simpson still trying to slow the game down against Collingwood, players chipping sideways, on our way to another hiding, even with the pies having no bench and more injuries than us. Simpson just can't let the possession game go. But what is he trying to achieve? Lost by 11 goals instead of maybe 15 by going on the attack? We had only 34 inside 50s to 59. We're supposed to be developing these kids to play a modern attacking game style and yet he always reverts to this bullshit possession game.
He let the young blokes loose against Freo and they played on more than I can remember in Simmos era, forward handballs from stopage players on the move. And they looked great, 48 inside 50s and gave the forwards a chance one out. If he truly has committed to a new game plan you don't chicken out at the first sign off trouble and revert to chipping sideways.
The next year the dogs smashed us in the elimination final on their way to a flag playing that high intensity fast ball movement style. Then Richmond wins 3 of the next 4 playing in a similar way. The point is Bevo stuck to the plan regardless of the result and it paid off.
8 years on from the dogs eliminating us in 16 and there's Simpson still trying to slow the game down against Collingwood, players chipping sideways, on our way to another hiding, even with the pies having no bench and more injuries than us. Simpson just can't let the possession game go. But what is he trying to achieve? Lost by 11 goals instead of maybe 15 by going on the attack? We had only 34 inside 50s to 59. We're supposed to be developing these kids to play a modern attacking game style and yet he always reverts to this bullshit possession game.
He let the young blokes loose against Freo and they played on more than I can remember in Simmos era, forward handballs from stopage players on the move. And they looked great, 48 inside 50s and gave the forwards a chance one out. If he truly has committed to a new game plan you don't chicken out at the first sign off trouble and revert to chipping sideways.
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Counterpoint: flexibility is important. If something’s not working on the day it’s good to have a plan B to switch to.
The game was shot at half time.
If we kept playing the same style, it would've been a hundred pointer.
Nothing wrong with going into damage control to minimize the damage IMO.
There's no comparison. One is a premiership side with it's game plan, systems and team cohesion fully embedded. They also have the luxury of a stable Vfl system that offers great depth and quality of depth. They can replace like for like, quality for quality, or experience with quality. Joe Richards is a perfect example, such is their depth, it took 2 years for him to get a game, he's 26!
We are a bottom 4 side and the complete opposite of Pies - look at our depth and our faltering Wafl side. We don't even have an actual ruckman yet!
Pies were blisteringly fast with relentless pressure and an even spread of quality players. We actually stood up to it in the end and stemmed the tide. An improvement on last year. But we were completely outclassed. Yeo and Waterman would've helped.
We will probably face similar problems against the Demons but I suspect we'll make a better account of ourselves.
Post bye and with Flynns inclusion there should be some noticeable changes, with players back. We should be able to see the gameplan played out better, get some team consistency and maybe even notch a few wins. The coach needs to take full advantage of this to secure another term. May the injury gods be merciful.
Dale Doback
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Simmo knows he'll be in the gun as soon as we cop another 100 point flogging, so he go's conservative, switches to plan B.
And every game where we play conservative, chipping sideways snd backwards off halfback instead of taking a risky option in the corridor we're getting further away from our next flag.
Miguel Sanchez
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Simmo’s been in the gun for at least the last two years, I get the feeling he’s used to it.
And you can bet all of the tea in China that people (like you) screaming out for him "not to be conservative" will be the first to call for his sacking once we start getting 100 point losses.
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