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Will the Crows pick up any of these players in the off-season?

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Danger in Texas said:
Ah yep, I forgot about the Stengle/Parnell senior/rookie thing

The main thing that concerns me is that the club said we were going to hit the draft ‘hard’ for one more year, yet it seems like at this point we’ll probably have three picks maximum, possibly even two. A lot of our young guys, although great young talent, are still just that - not evolved senior players yet. While the rebuild continues, we should be casting a relatively wide net so that our chances of hits is higher down the road

In an ideal world, I reckon we’d be picking 4 or 5 players in the draft (as we have in 2018/19/20), but that doesn’t quite seem feasible this year, unless we don’t bring in anyone via trade (entirely possible)
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Given how tight we are with list spots I reckon it is very unlikely we bring someone in via trade.
Does anyone know of any contracted players we have traded in the last 5-6 years?
McGovern was under contract - anyone else?


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rabidcrow said:
Given how tight we are with list spots I reckon it is very unlikely we bring someone in via trade.
Does anyone know of any contracted players we have traded in the last 5-6 years?
McGovern was under contract - anyone else?


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Jenkins, Betts, Cameron
 
Apologies if this has already been posted, the Matt Rendell take in the Age

Was the season a success?
(18th in 2020) 7 wins, 15 losses in 2021
If you said at the start of the year that Tom Lynch would be out injured for most of the year and Daniel Talia, Matt Crouch and Wayne Milera wouldn’t play at all, with Luke Brown, Rory Sloane and Taylor Walker also missing matches, you’d think they would be lucky to win a game. That they won seven is a testament to the work coach Matthew Nicks and his team have performed over the past two years. They have played with excitement, energy and effort, and given their supporters great hope.

They have played roughly 10 first-, second- and third-year players every week all year and many have delivered. Harry Schoenberg has been outstanding in the midfield, Jordon Butts was excellent as a key back along with fellow rookie Nick Murray. Will Hamill and Lachlan Sholl had very good moments at half-back/wing but need a good pre-season in the gym. Riley Thilthorpe showed why he was No. 2 in last year’s draft, Sam Berry settled into an unfamiliar position as a half-forward and Chayce Jones, who had a slow start, was great on some of the best small forwards. High selections last year Brayden Cook and Luke Pedlar showed enough at the end of the year.

What needs to happen during the off-season?
Lynch and Talia have been delisted and will find a home somewhere else but for no return. David Mackay has retired after great service. I would trade Matt Crouch, as they need to play younger midfielders next year and are still two years from challenging for the eight. They really have no one else to trade, as you need to keep some senior players and I wouldn’t be bringing anyone in unless they are cheap from a trade point of view. Fischer McAsey, a key back and high draft selection, in his second year, might attract some interest after an indifferent season but with Talia gone they will need him.

How should they approach the November draft? (Picks 4, 23, 37, 59, 63)
The Crows have pick four and would love home-grown product and standout Jason Horne-Francis. They would already be planning what they could offer North to swap picks one and four. He is such a good prospect that they are going to have to give up plenty to get this done, and next year’s first round will be involved, but even then it’s unlikely. North would love someone such as Jones, but that is a big price to pay. There’s much to like about this rebuild and, like the Roos, they should hold their nerve, bank money in the salary cap and have a decent crack at free agency and trades in 2022 and 2023 when these very good young players have played 50-odd games and are ready to go.
 
fortunatecrow said:
Apologies if this has already been posted, the Matt Rendell take in the Age

Was the season a success?
(18th in 2020) 7 wins, 15 losses in 2021
If you said at the start of the year that Tom Lynch would be out injured for most of the year and Daniel Talia, Matt Crouch and Wayne Milera wouldn’t play at all, with Luke Brown, Rory Sloane and Taylor Walker also missing matches, you’d think they would be lucky to win a game. That they won seven is a testament to the work coach Matthew Nicks and his team have performed over the past two years. They have played with excitement, energy and effort, and given their supporters great hope.

They have played roughly 10 first-, second- and third-year players every week all year and many have delivered. Harry Schoenberg has been outstanding in the midfield, Jordon Butts was excellent as a key back along with fellow rookie Nick Murray. Will Hamill and Lachlan Sholl had very good moments at half-back/wing but need a good pre-season in the gym. Riley Thilthorpe showed why he was No. 2 in last year’s draft, Sam Berry settled into an unfamiliar position as a half-forward and Chayce Jones, who had a slow start, was great on some of the best small forwards. High selections last year Brayden Cook and Luke Pedlar showed enough at the end of the year.

What needs to happen during the off-season?
Lynch and Talia have been delisted and will find a home somewhere else but for no return. David Mackay has retired after great service. I would trade Matt Crouch, as they need to play younger midfielders next year and are still two years from challenging for the eight. They really have no one else to trade, as you need to keep some senior players and I wouldn’t be bringing anyone in unless they are cheap from a trade point of view. Fischer McAsey, a key back and high draft selection, in his second year, might attract some interest after an indifferent season but with Talia gone they will need him.

How should they approach the November draft? (Picks 4, 23, 37, 59, 63)
The Crows have pick four and would love home-grown product and standout Jason Horne-Francis. They would already be planning what they could offer North to swap picks one and four. He is such a good prospect that they are going to have to give up plenty to get this done, and next year’s first round will be involved, but even then it’s unlikely. North would love someone such as Jones, but that is a big price to pay. There’s much to like about this rebuild and, like the Roos, they should hold their nerve, bank money in the salary cap and have a decent crack at free agency and trades in 2022 and 2023 when these very good young players have played 50-odd games and are ready to go.
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I'd bloody well hope not. Matt was our head recruiter some years ago but I'm bloody happy he's not our list manager currently.
 

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rabidcrow said:
Given how tight we are with list spots I reckon it is very unlikely we bring someone in via trade.
Does anyone know of any contracted players we have traded in the last 5-6 years?
McGovern was under contract - anyone else?


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CC, JJ and Betts.
 
What's the path forward for clubs with superstar players?

Franklin at Sydney, Grundy at Collingwood. Contracts have eventually seen the salary cap walls close in at their clubs.

Josh Kelly at GWS going to be similar in time?
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
What's the path forward for clubs with superstar players?

Franklin at Sydney, Grundy at Collingwood. Contracts have eventually seen the salary cap walls close in at their clubs.

Josh Kelly at GWS going to be similar in time?
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The plan is to sign them up and win flags, so all is forgiven.

Sydney and Collingwood didn't do that
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
What's the path forward for clubs with superstar players?

Franklin at Sydney, Grundy at Collingwood. Contracts have eventually seen the salary cap walls close in at their clubs.

Josh Kelly at GWS going to be similar in time?
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Those clubs didn't expect a contraction in the TPP ....they banked on increase's

Don't think there'll a big issue if clubs decide not to accede to Managers demands for this massive Contracts .....clubs are seeing the repercussions, and won't want a repeat of the salary dumping occurring at SYD, COLL, and eventually GWS
 
Mego Red said:
Look, this is a pointless argument.

I'm going to point towards the number of times he was brought back into the side to show how close to best 22 he's considered. You're going to say that doesn't matter, for some reason.

Sure, they could just cut someone who's contracted. You'd think Himmelburg was more likely, considering he was left in the 2nds for pretty much the whole year until they started showcasing him as a possible trade option. But you do you, Vader.
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it sometimes happens but Vader is right

team selection and list management are separated functions for a reason.

that someone is being selected or often enough isn’t a shield from list management decisions.

as Clarkson likes to say, the problem with having senior players on the list is that you tend to play them; so the answer is to not have them on the list

so you can argue a player won’t be delisted, but not for the reason that they’re around the mark of the 22
 

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Sanders said:
I’d love to have him back.
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No doubt you would, telling that no offers from club land have come his way since the Pies showed him the door.

Going well in his new role, soon be matching Kornes.
 
Sanders said:
which of these offers will you be taking up? ;)
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Come on Colonel if he was still thought of as highly in club land as you rate him he'd have found at least a support role in a recruiting team somewhere wouldn't he?
 
Sanders said:
Seems to me, he’s had a good career in industry and his expertise is recognised through his media work

by your logic Ross Lyon can’t coach either
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I still think there's every chance Lyon will be a head coach again at an AFL club whereas I think there's somewhere between nought and zero chance Matty ever heads up an AFL club's recruiting team again. What do you think is the most likely?
 
Vader said:
Does the name Richard Douglas mean anything to you? There are plenty of players who have been regular contributors throughout the year, only to be cut at the end of it.

The question is whether or not we'll cut a contracted player. We have the salary cap space to do so, and we're tight for list spaces. If ever there's a year where it's likely, 2021 is that year.

I'm not saying that he will definitely go - but he could go, depending on how the cards fall in other areas (e.g. whether Matt Crouch stays, what trades they intend to do).

** Well that was prescient - Matt Crouch's re-signing has just been announced, making list spaces even tighter.
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Douglas probably isnt the best example.. his last year was dogshit.. injured fir the first half if it before coming back in and playing 8 of the worst games in a row i reacon the clubs ever seen.. before finally being dropped and then forced to retire..
 

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Mutineer said:
I still think there's every chance Lyon will be a head coach again at an AFL club whereas I think there's somewhere between nought and zero chance Matty ever heads up an AFL club's recruiting team again. What do you think is the most likely?
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if you’re just going to pull odds from thin air surely you can be more creative than that?
 
Pick 4 for Zac bailey lol
 
Mutineer said:
I still think there's every chance Lyon will be a head coach again at an AFL club whereas I think there's somewhere between nought and zero chance Matty ever heads up an AFL club's recruiting team again. What do you think is the most likely?
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I think that Lyons is damaged goods

I think he will be like Williams, Lyon will never get back to a head role

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Sanders said:
Seems to me, he’s had a good career in industry and his expertise is recognised through his media work

by your logic Ross Lyon can’t coach either
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A lot of footy media is a disgrace.
The gravy train has gotten to big and it turns a lot of pretty smart guys into ratings puppets that spew all sorts of crap.

Rendell is irrevelent and Lyons efforts over the past couple of weeks were poor at best.
 
Bearded Clam said:
Douglas probably isnt the best example.. his last year was dogshit.. injured fir the first half if it before coming back in and playing 8 of the worst games in a row i reacon the clubs ever seen.. before finally being dropped and then forced to retire..
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That's not how I remember it. Pretty sure Dougie played the year out to the bitter end.
 

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