List Mgmt. Adelaide Crows 2021 List Management thread

[dogs105]

Parnell replaces Stengle... sort of. Stengle was on the senior list, while Parnell is on the rookie list.

Would it be simpler to say he replaces Gibbs? Murray replaces Stengle.

 

[Vader]

For the uneducated, how does that translate to available list spots assuming the unsigned remain unsigned?

We currently have 3 senior list positions available and 0 rookie list positions available.

Senior List:
OUT: Lynch, Stengle, Talia
IN: -

Rookie List:
OUT: Gibbs, Mackay
IN: Murray, Parnell

 

[Vader]

Not that it matters much, but Gibbs was rookie list as well, and there's no scenario where Frampton is paid out and delisted. He played our last game.

Gibbs - you are correct, I should have noted that he's on the rookie list.
Frampton - could very easily be delisted, the fact that he played in R23 is irrelevant.

 

[Vader]

Would it be simpler to say he replaces Gibbs? Murray replaces Stengle.

Nope. Gibbs was replaced by Murray, during the Pre-Season Supplemental Period. Stengle was replaced by Parnell, via the Mid-Season Draft.

Whichever way you look at it, the maths is:
Senior List: 1x Out
Rookie List: 1x Out, 2x In

 

[Danger in Texas]

Gibbs - you are correct, I should have noted that he's on the rookie list.
Frampton - could very easily be delisted, the fact that he played in R23 is irrelevant.

I agree with the bolded in general, Davis played R23 and he'll be delisted (or should be). I think the club will want to give Frampton one more year to show extended worth as a key defender though, even though it's highly improbable he makes it

 

[Vader]

I agree with the bolded in general, Davis played R23 and he'll be delisted (or should be). I think the club will want to give Frampton one more year to show extended worth as a key defender though, even though it's highly improbable he makes it

I'm not saying that Frampton will be delisted, I'm only saying that he could be delisted. Our salary cap position is good enough to facilitate his exit, and the fact that he played in R23 is irrelevant.

It depends on what other list management moves they have in mind, and how many selections they want to make at the ND.

 

[dogs105]

Nope. Gibbs was replaced by Murray, during the Pre-Season Supplemental Period. Stengle was replaced by Parnell, via the Mid-Season Draft.

Whichever way you look at it, the maths is:
Senior List: 1x Out
Rookie List: 1x Out, 2x In

I thought Murray was on the main list. That was my mistake.

 

[Velvet George]

We currently have 3 senior list positions available and 0 rookie list positions available.

Senior List:
OUT: Lynch, Stengle, Talia
IN: -

Rookie List:
OUT: Gibbs, Mackay
IN: Murray, Parnell

Thanks, so if we are chasing Dawson and others we really do need to move on Crouch/Kelly and you’d assume ROC is gone to free up more spots

 

[Danger in Texas]

I'm not saying that Frampton will be delisted, I'm only saying that he could be delisted. Our salary cap position is good enough to facilitate his exit, and the fact that he played in R23 is irrelevant.

It depends on what other list management moves they have in mind, and how many selections they want to make at the ND.

I suspect ROC will be delisted no matter what, and that at least one of Crouch/Kelly will leave. We'll probably trade one player in, and take three picks to the draft

If both Crouch and Kelly leave, then I reckon we'll elevate Butts, so we don't have to elevate both Butts and Strachan (and potentially Keays) to the senior list all at once next year

If neither of Crouch or Kelly leave, then you might be right, although I'd tend to think we'll try and trade a contracted player first and foremost before straight up delisting someone

 

[Vader]

I suspect ROC will be delisted no matter what, and that at least one of Crouch/Kelly will leave. We'll probably trade one player in, and take three picks to the draft

If both Crouch and Kelly leave, then I reckon we'll elevate Butts, so we don't have to elevate both Butts and Strachan (and potentially Keays) to the senior list all at once next year

If neither of Crouch or Kelly leave, then you might be right, although I'd tend to think we'll try and trade a contracted player first and foremost before straight up delisting someone

Good point about Butts/Strachan/Keays all needing to be upgraded together next year, if the AFL reverts to the previous 3-year limit on rookies. That's a strong reason for upgrading at least 1 of Butts/Strachan this year.

 

[dogs105]

Vader, is there still talk of list sizes increasing again next season, or is that off the agenda completely?

 

[Vader]

Vader, is there still talk of list sizes increasing again next season, or is that off the agenda completely?

AFL has said that they lied to us all, and list sizes are staying as they are for 2022. Surprise, surprise...
https://www.afl.com.au/news/659265/afl-confirms-2022-list-sizes-tweaks-rule-for-rookies

 

[dogs105]

AFL has said that they lied to us all, and list sizes are staying as they are for 2022. Surprise, surprise...
https://www.afl.com.au/news/659265/afl-confirms-2022-list-sizes-tweaks-rule-for-rookies

What a sham organisation

 

[Velvet George]

What a sham organisation

To be fair, talk of list sizes going back up were when we were covid free and crowds were at the footy. Since then finances have taken another big hit

 

[Mego Red]

Gibbs - you are correct, I should have noted that he's on the rookie list.
Frampton - could very easily be delisted, the fact that he played in R23 is irrelevant.

Isn't it relevant the number of times the selection panel rushed him back in? He was obviously player 25 or 26 in their mind. It's impossible to think they'll just delist that.

 

[Vader]

Isn't it relevant the number of times the selection panel rushed him back in? He was obviously player 25 or 26 in their mind. It's impossible to think they'll just delist that.

Not relevant at all. Team selection & list management are two very different things.

 

[Crowked]

Butts should be upgraded to the main list. He’s a keeper. Takes Talia’s spot.

 

[huludicidal]

Butts should be upgraded to the main list. He’s a keeper. Takes Talia’s spot.

Keays was still on the rookie list last time I checked too. Unsure if there was a stealthy upgrade there at Stengle’s expense, but he’s another who will definitely be upgraded this off-season if it hasn’t happened behind the scenes already.

The line between rookie and senior listed players is becoming increasingly blurred.

 

[JimmyTheScoop]

We currently have 3 senior list positions available and 0 rookie list positions available.

Senior List:
OUT: Lynch, Stengle, Talia
IN: -

Rookie List:
OUT: Gibbs, Mackay
IN: Murray, Parnell

I think Strachan would be on the main list and take one of those spots?


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[Vader]

Keays was still on the rookie list last time I checked too. Unsure if there was a stealthy upgrade there at Stengle’s expense, but he’s another who will definitely be upgraded this off-season if it hasn’t happened behind the scenes already.

The line between rookie and senior listed players is becoming increasingly blurred.

Keays has only had 2 years on the rookie list, whereas both Butts & Strachan have had 3 - which has been the maximum permitted prior to 2022. For this reason, the latter two players have a higher priority than Keays, when it comes to promotion to the senior list.

There's no "stealth upgrade", and there no "definite" about any of our rookies being upgraded.

You are 100% correct about the line between rookie & senior lists being blurred.

I think Strachan would be on the main list and take one of those spots?

Both are currently on the rookie list, and both have been there for 3 years. This used to be the maximum permitted, until the AFL bumped it up to 4 years for 2022. We don't need to promote either of them (or Keays for that matter), but we may be wise to upgrade at least one of them, to prevent us from having to upgrade all 3 next year.

 

[Grenville]

There's VERY VERY few examples of teams with makeshift forward lines winning flags.

Even Cam Mooney, who you mention, was an All Australian who kicked 60 odd goals when they won their first flag - and he had players such as Chapman and Stevie J.

Did he win 4 flags, though?

Agree with your point, but had to drop the obligatory Shane Ellen comment

 

[Mego Red]

Not relevant at all. Team selection & list management are two very different things.

Look, this is a pointless argument.

I'm going to point towards the number of times he was brought back into the side to show how close to best 22 he's considered. You're going to say that doesn't matter, for some reason.

Sure, they could just cut someone who's contracted. You'd think Himmelburg was more likely, considering he was left in the 2nds for pretty much the whole year until they started showcasing him as a possible trade option. But you do you, Vader.

 

[Mego Red]

Keays was still on the rookie list last time I checked too. Unsure if there was a stealthy upgrade there at Stengle’s expense, but he’s another who will definitely be upgraded this off-season if it hasn’t happened behind the scenes already.

The line between rookie and senior listed players is becoming increasingly blurred.

Why would the team want to upgrade him, if they don't have to? It costs you an earlier pick - you end up adding someone in the rookie draft instead of the main draft.

EDIT - as others have said in this thread, we probably want to upgrade at least one so we don't have to do three upgrades in 2023.

 

[Mego Red]

I think Strachan would be on the main list and take one of those spots?


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He will have to in 2023, absolutely.

 

[morris086]

What is the point of the rookie list these days?