List Mgmt. Adelaide Crows 2021 List Management thread

[Crow till I die]

I still think we can, and should be aiming to, end up with 2x Top 20 picks in this draft.

Realistically, the Dawson trade will almost definitely involve pick 23. What I haven’t seen floated anywhere enough though is that we can still get another 2021 pick back from the Swans in this deal.

They just picked up Pick 39 as compo for Hewett.

We give: Pick 23 and 2022 2nd Round
We receive: Dawson and Pick 39
(I know some feel giving up that 2022 2nd rounder is unnecessary but hear me out)

We then have Dawson, plus Picks 4, 37, 39, 44.

We then immediately get on the front foot to the Bulldogs and offer up 37, 39 and 44 for their 17. They hopefully gain more points from this (260 odd) than from any other offer they receive. We get an invaluable second top 20 pick (it ends up being pick 19 after Darcy and Daicos bids).

We then have picks 4 (in reality, pick 6), 17 (19) plus 60 odd going into the draft.

We then select one of Callaghan, Erasmus, Goater or Hobbs at Pick 6 (at least 2 of them will be available), and one of Rachele, Draper, Roberts, Wanganeen-Milera, Chesser, Johnson, Fahey, Sinn, Long or van Rooyen at 19 (at least 3-4 of them will be available).

Can then take a punt on a high upside type towards the end of the draft.


If the Dogs don’t want to deal with us, we could instead go back to the Tigers and look at sending them 4 for 7 and 15. As long as we aren’t throwing away Callaghan (ie we have determined Callaghan is going to be off the board by Pick 6), I’m absolutely fine with that.

well we would want to be quick and considering the Dawson trade might take the entire trade period that is out of our hands

Rivals discussing ‘salary dump’; prized pick offered in bid to land father-son star: Trade Whispers

Rivals discussing ‘salary dump’; prized pick offered in bid to land father-son star: Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

Richmond and the Western Bulldogs are exploring a trade that would see the Tigers land Pick 17 in exchange for later selections to help facilitate father-son prospect Sam Darcy’s move to Whitten Oval, reports 7 News’ Tom Browne.

It comes as Richmond received an end of second-round compensation pick (No. 38) for free agent Mabior Chol signing with Gold Coast Suns.

The Tigers are now armed with a strong hand ahead of the November National Draft, holding Picks 7, 15, 26, 28, 38, 40 and 44.

And with Darcy expected to receive a bid with one of the early selections, the Dogs need to add draft points, currently only holding Picks 17 and 72.

“The Tigers have five picks now in the second and third rounds. Richmond can in effect group those up for Pick 17,” Browne said.

“The Dogs can then use those draft points for their star father-son prospect. That’s what they’re working on behind the scenes.”

 

[huludicidal]

well we would want to be quick and considering the Dawson trade might take the entire trade period that is out of our hands

Rivals discussing ‘salary dump’; prized pick offered in bid to land father-son star: Trade Whispers

Rivals discussing ‘salary dump’; prized pick offered in bid to land father-son star: Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

Richmond and the Western Bulldogs are exploring a trade that would see the Tigers land Pick 17 in exchange for later selections to help facilitate father-son prospect Sam Darcy’s move to Whitten Oval, reports 7 News’ Tom Browne.

It comes as Richmond received an end of second-round compensation pick (No. 38) for free agent Mabior Chol signing with Gold Coast Suns.

The Tigers are now armed with a strong hand ahead of the November National Draft, holding Picks 7, 15, 26, 28, 38, 40 and 44.

And with Darcy expected to receive a bid with one of the early selections, the Dogs need to add draft points, currently only holding Picks 17 and 72.

“The Tigers have five picks now in the second and third rounds. Richmond can in effect group those up for Pick 17,” Browne said.

“The Dogs can then use those draft points for their star father-son prospect. That’s what they’re working on behind the scenes.”

This just makes it even more likely that we could trade with Richmond, which I’m equally happy with tbh (as long as we are sure Callaghan is going before our current first pick).

If the Tigers are holding Picks 7, 15, 17 and 26, we should easily be able to manufacture Pick 4 for 7 and 15 (or maybe we would prefer to give 4, 37 and 44 for 7, 17 and 26) and still land two of the targets outlined.

Either way, the Dogs and Tigers are the two clubs we should be talking to about pick swaps post-Dawson trade.

 

[CroCop]

well we would want to be quick and considering the Dawson trade might take the entire trade period that is out of our hands

Rivals discussing ‘salary dump’; prized pick offered in bid to land father-son star: Trade Whispers

Rivals discussing ‘salary dump’; prized pick offered in bid to land father-son star: Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

Richmond and the Western Bulldogs are exploring a trade that would see the Tigers land Pick 17 in exchange for later selections to help facilitate father-son prospect Sam Darcy’s move to Whitten Oval, reports 7 News’ Tom Browne.

It comes as Richmond received an end of second-round compensation pick (No. 38) for free agent Mabior Chol signing with Gold Coast Suns.

The Tigers are now armed with a strong hand ahead of the November National Draft, holding Picks 7, 15, 26, 28, 38, 40 and 44.

And with Darcy expected to receive a bid with one of the early selections, the Dogs need to add draft points, currently only holding Picks 17 and 72.

“The Tigers have five picks now in the second and third rounds. Richmond can in effect group those up for Pick 17,” Browne said.

“The Dogs can then use those draft points for their star father-son prospect. That’s what they’re working on behind the scenes.”

How did they get pick 15 this year ?

 

[CroCop]

I’ll go ROC for the same reasons as Vader. Davis has been around for long enough and only ever looks like a depth option. We also have plenty of options for half back.
I’m tipping Hately as a big improver if he gets his fitness right under Burgess, which puts ROC further back in the pecking order and assuming as well that we probably select 2 mids in this draft.
With reduced list sizes I’d probably delist both and use the one main list spot to select the best small forward available.
I hope that we see big improvement from Rowe and McAdam under Burgess, perhaps Newchurch. For mine we need greater pressure for spots in the small forward role and at this stage I’m not convinced any of those three guys are the solution.

I’m not predicting anything with Hately , Burgess is not going to be improving his skills nor his speed the two worst parts of his game. Can stay in the twos if you ask me .

 

[Sanders]

Roos believe No.1 pick 'more valuable' than previous years

List manager Glenn Luff tells Trade Radio what North Melbourne will do with its prized selection

www.afl.com.au

Lol.

North are at a risk of building a one paced midfield, with only Tarrant really offering a point of difference

JHF offers a balance, the dynamics, that they are missing; he’s the type of mid they don’t have. For this reason alone he has particular value to them

so they’re not going to trade because he is a particular fit. Not because there is somehow unique super powers attached to no.1 this year

 

[Mutineer]

Lol.

North are at a risk of building a one paced midfield, with only Tarrant really offering a point of difference

JHF offers a balance, the dynamics, that they are missing; he’s the type of mid they don’t have. For this reason alone he has particular value to them

so they’re not going to trade because he is a particular fit. Not because there is somehow unique super powers attached to no.1 this year

I don't think their midfield group is actually pretty reasonable already and Jh-F will certainly be the icing on the cake for them.

I think there's zero chance they're trading pick 1 though some on here hang on any morsel the media throw out there and Luff really sound like he's even contemplating any offer coming that would interest them.

Tarrant?

you got him mixed up with someone else? Simpkin maybe?

 

[Sanders]

I don't think their midfield group is actually pretty reasonable already and Jh-F will certainly be the icing on the cake for them.

I think there's zero chance they're trading pick 1 though some on here hang on any morsel the media throw out there and Luff really sound like he's even contemplating any offer coming that would interest them.

Tarrant?

you got him mixed up with someone else? Simpkin maybe?

Thomas

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I’m not predicting anything with Hately , Burgess is not going to be improving his skills nor his speed the two worst parts of his game. Can stay in the twos if you ask me .

Way to early to write off a player who had OP.

I will wait to judge him once he is fully fit.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I’ve said it before, but JHF, Thomas, LDU, Simpkin, Powell and Phillips might be the most exciting overall crop of young midfielders in the comp

North’s midfield has a bright future. They just have to make sure the rest of the ground is up to scratch, too

 

[CroCrow]

Lol.

North are at a risk of building a one paced midfield, with only Tarrant really offering a point of difference

JHF offers a balance, the dynamics, that they are missing; he’s the type of mid they don’t have. For this reason alone he has particular value to them

so they’re not going to trade because he is a particular fit. Not because there is somehow unique super powers attached to no.1 this year

They will just lose him to the Power in a few years where his adopted father played

 

[UcantCme]

I’ve said it before, but JHF, Thomas, LDU, Simpkin, Powell and Phillips might be the most exciting overall crop of young midfielders in the comp

North’s midfield has a bright future. They just have to make sure the rest of the ground is up to scratch, too

Might is the key word

LDU and Thomas don't work hard enough at this stage

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[Mutineer]

Might is the key word

LDU and Thomas don't work hard enough at this stage

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HUh?

Luke Davies-Unakie had a very good year, certainly nothing wrong with his work rate this season, especially later in the season..


NORTH MELBOURNE BEST AND FAIREST 2021 — TOP 10 LEADERBOARD

1. Jy Simpkin – 143


2. Ben Cunnington – 117

3. Jack Ziebell – 114*

4. Aaron Hall – 114

5. Luke Davies-Uniacke – 109

6. Ben McKay – 106

7. Cam Zurhaar – 95*

8. Tarryn Thomas – 95

9. Kayne Turner – 92

10. Nick Larkey – 90

 

[Mutineer]

I’ve said it before, but JHF, Thomas, LDU, Simpkin, Powell and Phillips might be the most exciting overall crop of young midfielders in the comp

North’s midfield has a bright future. They just have to make sure the rest of the ground is up to scratch, too

Jed Anderson when fit is no slouch either

 

[Danger in Texas]

Jed Anderson when fit is no slouch either

Not necessarily young though, which is why I didn’t put him in that group. He’ll be 28 at the start of next season

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Thomas

Tarrant will certainly be a POD for North .....32 yo , 196cm midfielder ...wearing a Richmond Guernsey

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Jed Anderson when fit is no slouch either

Is he ever fit ???

 

[baldandbroke]

Lol.

North are at a risk of building a one paced midfield, with only Tarrant really offering a point of difference

JHF offers a balance, the dynamics, that they are missing; he’s the type of mid they don’t have. For this reason alone he has particular value to them

so they’re not going to trade because he is a particular fit. Not because there is somehow unique super powers attached to no.1 this year

Agreed.

He’s looking like a super prospect, but it’s not daylight second … or third … or fourth.

 

[tinman]

I’m not predicting anything with Hately , Burgess is not going to be improving his skills nor his speed the two worst parts of his game. Can stay in the twos if you ask me .

Hately was a very strong performer at SANFL league level prior to drafting. He's been far worse this year after a couple of years in the AFL system.

Played injured. Fitness permitting we'll see a completely different Hately in 2022.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hately was a very strong performer at SANFL league level prior to drafting. He's been far worse this year after a couple of years in the AFL system.

Played injured. Fitness permitting we'll see a completely different Hately in 2022.

Do you think Hately thought he'd just waltz into the Crows side ? ......judging from his PS comments, you got the impression he'd be the mainstay of the team

Maybe just didn't work hard enough

 

[UcantCme]

Do you think Hately thought he'd just waltz into the Crows side ? ......judging from his PS comments, you got the impression he'd be the mainstay of the team

Maybe just didn't work hard enough

It' seems well established that he played through groin and hip issues all year

Maybe the wrong decision was to try and play through the pain and restrictions in movement and power

Hopefully he can get strong and healthy over the off season and we get the opportunity to see what he can bring when fully fit



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[Soggy2112]

Odds Kane writes an article about TT being a bust when he has a bad game next season?

 

[tinman]

Do you think Hately thought he'd just waltz into the Crows side ? ......judging from his PS comments, you got the impression he'd be the mainstay of the team

Maybe just didn't work hard enough

Groin injury. Get him fit and he will be the big body mid we need. Then some speed in the midfield and forward, and we are on the up.

I'm convinced that we're yet to see the best of the lad, and he can play.

Let's see. But I reckon that Hately will surprise a lot of people if he gets himself right.

What I don't get is him playing through injury this year.

I don't think his issues are with hard work. There's nothing to even suggest that the guy doesn't put in and do whatever he needs to. Or that his issues are in his head. Like a lot of blokes, the issues are in or around the groin area .

I absolutely have not written him off like many others seem to have. I actually have him as my biggest improver of 2022.

Agree however that 2021 was not a good one for him.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Groin injury. Get him fit and he will be the big body mid we need. Then some speed in the midfield and forward, and we are on the up.

I'm convinced that we're yet to see the best of the lad, and he can play.

Let's see. But I reckon that Hately will surprise a lot of people if he gets himself right.

What I don't get is him playing through injury this year.

I don't think his issues are with hard work. There's nothing to even suggest that the guy doesn't put in and do whatever he needs to. Or that his issues are in his head. Like a lot of blokes, the issues are in or around the groin area .

I absolutely have not written him off like many others seem to have. I actually have him as my biggest improver of 2022.

Agree however that 2021 was not a good one for him.

My pet peeve is the perception that any player that has a bad year, or bad games, must have been injured

Sometimes the reason is poor preparation ...sometimes attitudinal ....sometimes somrthing in RL that de-focus's their attention to their job

 

[Mego Red]

My pet peeve is the perception that any player that has a bad year, or bad games, must have been injured

Sometimes the reason is poor preparation ...sometimes attitudinal ....sometimes somrthing in RL that de-focus's their attention to their job

He may also have had a bad groin.

 

[Sanders]

They will just lose him to the Power in a few years where his adopted father played

Fremantle?